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My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

Losman7 said:
If you are SOOO great at Special teams, O-Line, and LB why did you pick 2nd in the draft? Nothing has changed on your team in those areas.

And hell yes we have Mike Mularkey, a coach that in his rookie season, had a winning record. saban won't.

I'm not saying saban will be a bad coach, but how often have we seen the college coaches suck in the pros.

MIke mularkey....OOOOOOO,,,sends shivers down my spine...


Sorry Marv Levy aint there anymore...Your team is still a piece of chit. If your team is so good or special why dont you go to your fan forum and praise your team! Wait, I almost forgot! You and your team (especially bills fan) suck!!!!!!!
 
ch19079 said:
i like how you put buffalo up their :D , but i would hold off on any real evaluation of Williams before he plays. he could be a beast again, or he could be a bum with no heart or desire. :(

the same could be said with Henry. Do you think he likes playing for your team not too mention being a second stringer.
 
BillsCA said:
Both teams were good in special teams I'll give you that but in overall ST I am sure we finished #1 but have yet to find a real credible link.

When looking at stats I think the most important is touchdowns when it comes to special teams. The Bills Special Teams created 6 touchdowns while Miami Special teams only had 1.

cant argue with touchdowns...
 
TerryTate said:
LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

This one is a no brainer. No one can seem to stop the LBs of the Patriots. Even without Bruschi I don't expect the pats to miss a beat on this. The Dolphins and Bills both have great LBing corps, with Seau and Thomas leading the way for Miami and Takeo Spikes and London Fletcher for the Bills. It's almost a toss-up there. Look for Jonathan Vilma to make even more noise on the JEts this year as he improves that LBing corp coming off his rookie year.


ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

New England has Adam Vinatieri, who is the best kicker in the league (I'm including clutch situations). They bolstered their special teams with the addition of Chad Morton. Miami has a good kicker and a great punter, and Wes Welker got better after every game. The Jets got Mike Nugent, who is an outstanding kicker out of Ohio State. (as a side note, Xavier Beittia is also on the team right now out of FSU...that's pretty funny). IT's almost a toss-up between buffalo and the jets
Seau is done and Zach is on his way out. You're crazy to think you have a better lb corps.

Wes hasn't even done anything to prove he's better than McGee or Clements. Bobby April was just voted the St coach of the year. Who do you have?

Moorman is way better than Turk. The only reason why Moorman nos. aren't up there is because he has to kick in buffalo where the wind and cold come into play.

The only advantage you have over the bills is probably Mare over Lindell but Mare hasn't been himself the last 2 years.

Parrish maybe a rookie but if it's talent alone that we're basing things on, he could very well be an added weapon to our st.
 
Justasportsfan said:
Seau is done and Zach is on his way out. You're crazy to think you have a better lb corps.

Wes hasn't even done anything to prove he's better than McGee or Clements. Bobby April was just voted the St coach of the year. Who do you have?

Moorman is way better than Turk. The only reason why Moorman nos. aren't up there is because he has to kick in buffalo where the wind and cold come into play.

The only advantage you have over the bills is probably Mare over Lindell but Mare hasn't been himself the last 2 years.

Parrish maybe a rookie but if it's talent alone that we're basing things on, he could very well be an added weapon to our st.
Zach has plenty of years left and even if he was about done thats still enough time for Crowder to take over, Crowder will be a monster. Donnie Spragan is a good LB who just makes the tackle everytime. Miami has a good LB crops, Seau isn't done he has a year or two left.
 
nick1 said:
Zach has plenty of years left and even if he was about done thats still enough time for Crowder to take over, Crowder will be a monster. Donnie Spragan is a good LB who just makes the tackle everytime. Miami has a good LB crops, Seau isn't done he has a year or two left.
there you go playing MS. Cleo jr. again. :rolleyes:

Even if Zach and Seau have a few years left in them , they are still not better than our lb's.
 
TerryTate said:
LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

This one is a no brainer. No one can seem to stop the LBs of the Patriots. Even without Bruschi I don't expect the pats to miss a beat on this. The Dolphins and Bills both have great LBing corps, with Seau and Thomas leading the way for Miami and Takeo Spikes and London Fletcher for the Bills. It's almost a toss-up there. Look for Jonathan Vilma to make even more noise on the JEts this year as he improves that LBing corp coming off his rookie year.

ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

New England has Adam Vinatieri, who is the best kicker in the league (I'm including clutch situations). They bolstered their special teams with the addition of Chad Morton. Miami has a good kicker and a great punter, and Wes Welker got better after every game. The Jets got Mike Nugent, who is an outstanding kicker out of Ohio State. (as a side note, Xavier Beittia is also on the team right now out of FSU...that's pretty funny). IT's almost a toss-up between buffalo and the jets
you really think the pats LBs are better than the fins and bills when Bruschi may never play again. their the products of a 3-4 defense with a very good system. its difficult to compare 4-3 LBs with 3-4 LBs. but with out bruschi, they dont have the tallent to match up.

while i do agree the pats kicker is the best in the NFL, you also have to look at the punter, punt returner, kick returner, and kick coverage, blocks, and all that. IMO, the bill have the best punter in the AFC EAST. and our kick returner got TDs and even went to the probowl for it. our coverage is good, but what else could you say about it.....

so the pats got the kicker, but the bills are better in all the other areas. ill put the bills at the top of the ST list. Bills > Pats > Fins > jets.
(rookie kicker. need i say more about the jets...)
 
AquaAssasin said:
the same could be said with Henry. Do you think he likes playing for your team not too mention being a second stringer.
henry gone from buffalo. i accepted that when the season ended. i dont even consiter him a member of the team. when i refer to the bills RBs or run game, i dont even think of him.

the diffrence between Henry and Williams, is that henry will play well for another team. while i dont think williams will play well for ANY team. i DONT think he will return to his 2002 form. and the only real advantage to having him on the field would be to draw attention to him, to allow others to get open. Brown is the future. Williams is the past. time to cut your losses and move on.
 
I still can't understand why there are so many BILLs fans on this site???Let's see , I'm a really bored dolphin fan, maybe I'll go see what Bills fans are up to, I just don't get it........Are you guys part time dolphans? or are you fearing the return of the mighty fish? What's up?
 
Justasportsfan said:
there you go playing MS. Cleo jr. again. :rolleyes:
Speaking of Miss Cleo:

ch19079 said:
the diffrence between Henry and Williams, is that henry will play well for another team. while i dont think williams will play well for ANY team. i DONT think he will return to his 2002 form. and the only real advantage to having him on the field would be to draw attention to him, to allow others to get open. Brown is the future. Williams is the past. time to cut your losses and move on.

Seems like shes all over the place eh Justa? :lol: Or you just wanna pick and choose when you see her?

Justasportsfan said:
Even if Zach and Seau have a few years left in them , they are still not better than our lb's.
Right. Cause Zach stunk last year. You can argue the age all you want, fact of the matter was he was one of the better LBs last year and played on a horrible team and saw the field a LOT. He didnt get worn out last year and he produced playing MLB for a team that had NO offense and was on the field a LOT. Seau on the other hand isnt better than Takeo so I wont even argue or imply that.
 
finsRback said:
I still can't understand why there are so many BILLs fans on this site???Let's see , I'm a really bored dolphin fan, maybe I'll go see what Bills fans are up to, I just don't get it........Are you guys part time dolphans? or are you fearing the return of the mighty fish? What's up?

I still don't understand how newbies can come in this website and question what's been allowed since day 1. Quit your whining will ya. No one is gonna give you a good contract being a fan.
 
Justasportsfan said:
there you go playing MS. Cleo jr. again. :rolleyes:

Even if Zach and Seau have a few years left in them , they are still not better than our lb's.
how do you figure? we have two HOF worthy LBs who post 100+ tackles a year and have been doing so for years and years
 
nick1 said:
how do you figure? we have two HOF worthy LBs who post 100+ tackles a year
1 HOF lb who's best years are behind him. Seau hasn't even been close to being considered a probowler ever since he said" Jr. needs the dolphins more than the dolphins need him". Whether or not probowl is a popularity contest , he hasn't gotten respect by either fans or players/coaches.

You have a lot to learn about the game Nick. tackles mean squat especially if they are made 5-10 downfield after a first down. Zach can tackle , but he hasn't dominated.
 
finsRback said:
I still can't understand why there are so many BILLs fans on this site???Let's see , I'm a really bored dolphin fan, maybe I'll go see what Bills fans are up to, I just don't get it........Are you guys part time dolphans? or are you fearing the return of the mighty fish? What's up?

Billszone just blows and has more homers than we do here. I dont blame them. Read billszone just once. It will give you a good laugh....... thats not to say we dont have homers here, I have a decent amount of people I ignore.:lol:
 
Justasportsfan said:
1 HOF lb who's best years are behind him. Seau hasn't even been close to being considered a probowler ever since he said" Jr. needs the dolphins more than the dolphins need him". Whether or not probowl is a popularity contest , he hasn't gotten respect by either fans or players/coaches.

You have a lot to learn about the game Nick. tackles mean squat especially if they are made 5-10 downfield after a first down. Zach can tackle , but he hasn't dominated.
I suppose you think your LBs dominate? your obviuosly biased... who is better JT or the best DE on your team?
 
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