My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

[nick1]

you Bill fans just don't want to admit your wrong

 

[Losman7]

how is he not as good as them? your not making sense he posted just as many or more tackles then both Fletcher and Spikes had in half a season last year

What is your obsession with lots of tackles?

Its not hard to have lots of tackles when you're on defense all the time.

And Fletcher had more sacks than seaus 8 game total by game 6.


Making a tackle 5-10 yards dopwn the field isn't all that impressive.

Tell ya what, you can keep Zach and Jr. , aWe'll keep Fletch and Spikes, and see how it turns out. :evil:

 

[Losman7]

the only thing he hasn't done is do what he has done for more years and he could do it for 2-4 more years and then there's no doubt that he's a HOFer

lots of tackles don't get you into the HOF. Sorry, I know hes probably your number one favorite, and a player you grew up watching.

 

[ch19079]

lots of tackles don't get you into the HOF. Sorry, I know hes probably your number one favorite, and a player you grew up watching.

the only real probowl LB playing today is R. lewis.

if you compare all the LBs to R. Lewis and L. Taylor, many dont stack up as well as we think they would.

 

[Losman7]

the only real probowl LB playing today is R. lewis.

if you compare all the LBs to R. Lewis and L. Taylor, many dont stack up as well as we think they would.

did you mean HOF?

Anyway, Ray Lewis is great

 

[Philter25]

Tackles are not everything. While I think ZT is a great LB, I dont hold him in the same regard as the other HOFers. I think Ray Lewis is the only HOF potential LB playing the game. Why? Because he is a playmaker. That Ravens defense a few years ago made it to the SB BECAUSE of their defense, and Ray Lewis was the core of that.This takes nothing away from ZT. ZT is a probowl MLB... I just dont know if he is HOF worthy. Junior in his prime was better than ZT in his prime.

However when it comes to comparing him to the Bills LB corps. I would take ZT over any of them. ZT has always had good years and has been a core member of a great defense his entire career. This is taking nothing away from Takeo..... I would go ZT>Takeo>Seau as of RIGHT now.

 

[Losman7]

I would take ZT over any of them. ZT has always had good years and has been a core member of a great defense his entire career. This is taking nothing away from Takeo..... I would go ZT>Takeo>Seau as of RIGHT now.

How can you say that? You wouldn't trade Zt for Spikes RIGHT NOW?

Spikes not only makes way more game changing plays, but has like twice as many years left on his career.

 

[nick1]

Tackles are not everything. While I think ZT is a great LB, I dont hold him in the same regard as the other HOFers. I think Ray Lewis is the only HOF potential LB playing the game. Why? Because he is a playmaker. That Ravens defense a few years ago made it to the SB BECAUSE of their defense, and Ray Lewis was the core of that.This takes nothing away from ZT. ZT is a probowl MLB... I just dont know if he is HOF worthy. Junior in his prime was better than ZT in his prime.

you'll telling me that just because Seau had more sacks then Thomas that makes him better? Thomas is all over the field from sideline to sideline he is the first player to meet the RB usually he makes tons of stops in the backfield, I'm sorry but I think Thomas is HOF worthy and there's no changing my mind on that

 

[Losman7]

you'll telling me that just because Seau had more sacks then Thomas that makes him better? Thomas is all over the field from sideline to sideline he is the first player to meet the RB usually he makes tons of stops in the backfield, I'm sorry but I think Thomas is HOF worthy and there's no changing my mind on that

Yes, sacks, INT's Fumbles are WAY more important than tackles.

Every play besides an incomplete pass end in a tackle. INTs sacks, and fumbles change the outcome of games.

 

[nick1]

okay then let's compare Thomas and Lewis, they have both played the same # of years so it's a fair comparison. Thomas has more tackles but nevermind that doesn't matter you said. Lewis has just five more INTs over his career then Thomas does. Thomas has 3 more TDs then Lewis does over his career and that is the biggest play any player can make. Thomas has forced 4 more fumbles then Lewis has over his career. other then that the only other stat which means alot is fumbles recovered which Lewis has recovered 4 more then Thomas over his career. I don't know about you but I say their stats are pretty even.

 

[Philter25]

Theres another stat that you cant measure, and its ability to change or dictate a game. Other HOF LBs had it.


You are harping on tackles. Miami's system was set up so Thomas would make all the tackles so of course he is going to have 100 tackles a year. That doesnt make him HOF worthy. He isnt a gamechanger. He is a probowl LB, but he isnt a gamechanger.

 

[Philter25]

How can you say that? You wouldn't trade Zt for Spikes RIGHT NOW?

Spikes not only makes way more game changing plays, but has like twice as many years left on his career.

After the way ZT played last year, no. I agree that Spikes has more tread on his tires, but with us drafting Crowder I feel we only need a LB for maybe 2-3 more years. 2-3 more years can pretty much IMO tap the ZT tank and let him end his career here. Spikes does make more game changing plays, but overall ZT leadership, drive, and history with the team is irreplaceable. ZT isnt a gamechanger, but he is solid in all aspects of the game and is a better tackler. I was a big Takeo fan when he was in Cincy..... I stopped being a fan of his last year when he was trash talkin Ricky Williams before the game and sometime in the 2nd half Ricky plowed over him and he left the field with an injury.

A similar scenario is in NE with Bruschi..... although there might be better LB's out there, for NE Bruschi is irreplaceable.

 

[Philter25]

you'll telling me that just because Seau had more sacks then Thomas that makes him better? Thomas is all over the field from sideline to sideline he is the first player to meet the RB usually he makes tons of stops in the backfield, I'm sorry but I think Thomas is HOF worthy and there's no changing my mind on that

I guess then we will just haveto wait and see if he gets in.

 

[feelthepain]

What is your obsession with lots of tackles?

Its not hard to have lots of tackles when you're on defense all the time.

And Fletcher had more sacks than seaus 8 game total by game 6.


Making a tackle 5-10 yards dopwn the field isn't all that impressive.

Tell ya what, you can keep Zach and Jr. , aWe'll keep Fletch and Spikes, and see how it turns out. :evil:

Exactly why the D fails to be considered "elite" because they are worn out by the end of the season....is it the D that can't run the ball or pass the ball or run the clock out at the end of the game??? Ofcourse not, if Miami had a coach that had a clue about the other side of the ball, Miami had the talent on D to be one of the best ever, as it turns out that didn't happen and Miami's D while dominant couldn't make up for the deficiency's of the O. Can't blame the D for stupid coaching. I don't see this being a problem for Saban and Linehan balance will be the team motto!!

The D won't be worn out by the end of the season and we still have an outstanding D with some very nice additions that compliment the the players already here. You Jill fans seem to think this will be the same coaching philosophy from the past five years, vanillia on both sides of the ball. You come here and act like you have have all the knowledge in the world, but always leave out important details. Your coach took over a crap team and went 9-7, Saban is taking over a very talented team and made some nice additions to bring depth to the roster. Saban could eaisly win 10 games with the fins talent if Mularkey can win 9 with the talent in Buffalo.

 

[Losman7]

Your coach took over a crap team and went 9-7, Saban is taking over a very talented team and made some nice additions to bring depth to the roster. Saban could eaisly win 10 games with the fins talent if Mularkey can win 9 with the talent in Buffalo.

A crap team?

Are you intentionally trying to look like an idiot.

I was going to type out a lengthy response but it really isn't worth it.


I love how, after years of getting to the postseason, or almost the postseason, Wanny became completly inept...

He wasn't the best coach, but he got you far enough before...face the facts YOUR PLAYERS LOST THOSE GAMES...