My Verdict On Ted Ginn

[JimToss]

The common consensus was to wait until year three to really see what we have in Ted Ginn Jr. He (and his family) have been heavily debated since his controversial the selection at #9 overall in the 2007 draft.I am not here to discuss his draft value at #9. I want to talk about his ability to be a true #1 WR in this league.

Coming off an 11 catch 108 yard performance on MNF. I can definitively say that I no longer believe he has the potential to be that #1 WR.

This is not a thread to bash Ted Ginn. I still think he can be a very good WR in this league, just in the #2 role.

In my mind, a true #1 receiver needs to be a playmaker, that one person that when he is in 1 on 1 coverage you take the shot knowing he will get the ball. Ted has greatly improved his route running from last season, but I just don’t see that dependability a true #1 needs to have.
The breaking point in my evaluation being the two dropped touchdown passes in the Colts game. The simple matter of fact is a true #1 makes those plays. At least one of those plays. Both of those plays were by no means easy, but makeable.

I know most of you will cite the Henne argument, saying that Pennington cannot deliver the ball downfield. That is not what I am talking about. You can still be a great #2 WR and catch downfield passes, I just do not believe Ginn has the intangibles to be a true #1 in the NFL. Not to mention, Ted would greatly benefit from having that true #1 on the other side of him.

 

[fishypete]

Thats the way I see it.

 

[YOYO1111]

I think Ted Ginn is garbage. All this talk about his break out year and I don't think it's ever going to happen. He's not that caliber of a player. He's mediocre at best.

 

[YOYO1111]

He defines the Dolphins. We're mediocre and we can't make big plays. So frustrating. I alost cried last night. I know they worked so hard and wanted to win so bad. This sucks!

 

[Phinatic8u]

I think Ted Ginn is garbage. All this talk about his break out year and I don't think it's ever going to happen. He's not that caliber of a player. He's mediocre at best.

I think your a *******. have a good day ******* :thanks:

 

[ArmyFin7]

I agree, Ginn is an ideal #2.....

problem is, there are still a lot of holes to fill in places we desperately need playmakers.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Maybe Penningnton doesn't throw it downfrield because he doesn't believe Ginn will make the play. So he throws it underneith for the sure completion.

 

[fishypete]

I agree, Ginn is an ideal #2.....

problem is, there are still a lot of holes to fill in places we desperately need playmakers.

True...but the year isn't over...and there's always next year....free agency will be fun...and then the draft....this is only the second year of the rebuild.

 

[Swantoon]

I agree, Ginn is an ideal #2.....

problem is, there are still a lot of holes to fill in places we desperately need playmakers.

A little off topic here but, are you adding every dolphins loss to your "realists" win category in your sig?

 

[xxFinsxKidxx]

I think Ted Ginn is garbage. All this talk about his break out year and I don't think it's ever going to happen. He's not that caliber of a player. He's mediocre at best.

Ginn might not be a #1 but he still played great last night. the 1st TD wud've been really hard even if he did catch it. now maybe the second, yeah, he shud've caught but christ penny threw it a little behind him and had trouble getting it there! im jus saying why do we have to rely on a 35yrd. pass in which ginn has to make a GREAT catch in to score a TD. It's not ginn's fault. anyone ever think that the defense can jus focus on him bc we have no one else!!? And bc he's not a #1 (everyone seems to agree), i'd say he's still playin fine...

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

Ginn has made plenty of big catches here too though, some of the underthrown passes that he's had to adjust to and catch were big time plays IMO. There's been a few in the endzone he's come down with that were pretty damn good too. Ginn is getting open deep and on these shorter routes as well, Pennington is a master at completing short passes but if he had any ability whatsoever to hit the long ball we'd see Ginn in the pro bowl.

 

[fishypete]

Ginn has made plenty of big catches here too though, some of the underthrown passes that he's had to adjust to and catch were big time plays IMO. There's been a few in the endzone he's come down with that were pretty damn good too. Ginn is getting open deep and on these shorter routes as well, Pennington is a master at completing short passes but if he had any ability whatsoever to hit the long ball we'd see Ginn in the pro bowl.

It's a long way from the toilet bowl to the Pro Bowl.

 

[sadetripod]

Ginn has improved a lot since his rookie year and I appreciate the waiting 3 years for a verdict. I agree he isn't the go to guy and playing number 2 is where he belongs. He DOES NOT need to return kicks because he is scared of getting hit. That is so obvious, IMO. That's why he can't play slot either. If we had that number 1 I think we'd have a very good WR group. Ginn at 2, Bess in slot which he is great at, rotating in Hartline and Cam. Maybe next year we can get a number 1 in FA being a uncapped year and an owner with money to spend.

 

[EJay]

I want to talk about his ability to be a true #1 WR in this league.

I can definitively say that I no longer believe he has the potential to be that #1 WR.
I still think he can be a very good WR in this league, just in the #2 role.

You can still be a great #2 WR and catch downfield passes, I just do not believe Ginn has the intangibles to be a true #1 in the NFL. Not to mention, Ted would greatly benefit from having that true #1 on the other side of him.

I don't think anybody is arguing or has argued that Ted Ginn Jr. is a true #1 or elite receiver in the mold of Randy Moss or Andre Johnson. I know I haven't.

While he currently is the Dolphins #1 receiver (and he is the best they got right now), I agree that he would be better served being the #2 guy or at least by having a legit threat opposite of him. Of course, this would also necessitate the threat of the QB actually throwing the ball downfield, which is another story altogether.

All I've ever argued is, Ginn is not a bust and that his best attributes are masked by Pennington's deficiencies as well as the Dolphins offensive style.

While he didn't come up with the ultimate clutch TD catch last night (and he should have), we saw that he does get open and can make lots of catches if he is targeted. 7 of his 11 catches converted 3rd or 4th downs. While he didn't gain a lot of YAC or break any long gainers, that's still making a play.

His speed and the fear of his speed gets him open on the 10-15 yard out practically anytime they want to go to it. While we all want that Andre Johnson type player than will break tackles, having a player that can get 10-15 yards before being touched is still valuable.

And yes, I understand that converting 7 first downs pales in comparison to missing what should have been a possible game-winning TD catch. I get that. I'm not saying it makes up for it.

What I am saying is, when people complain about games in which Ginn only has 2 or 3 catches and claim he can't get open or that Bess or Cam are better .... a game like last night proves that this is not the case.

Like I've said before, it just depends on who Penny wants to target in a given game. Last night Bess and Cam weren't targeted a lot .. but that doesn't mean they weren't ever open and couldn't have made more receptions if Pennington had been targeting them. Same goes for Ginn when the reverse happens.

 

[Ricky_Fan34]

I was extremely pissed off at him last night... but then I thought about it.

He had 11 key catches. The vast majority of all of those were on 3rd downs. Ginn has made headway. And so has the offense. Last night, we played damn near perfect football. If you told me before the game that we would rush for 239 yards, 2 TD's, and hold the ball for 45 minutes, I'd by tell you we're gonna win this game by a LOT. Unfortunately, it did not work out that way. The fans were great, and I think that helped. Ted Ginn should have had both of those catches. However, you must remember this was probably the biggest game he's ever played in. Ravens playoff game.... well team didn't really play at all that day. While yes, dropping 2 TD passes is unacceptable, the coaches will be all over him this week. I expect us to be REALLY pissed off after this game, and whoop SD's ***. The gameplan will basically be the same. Ted Ginn will be disapointed, and I don't think he
drops a pass like that again though.

We will see soon enough.