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I was watching NFL live last night and they were talking about Randy Moss comparing the old Minisota offense to the his new Norv Turner sytem. His comment was 1+1 and algebra.
 
The guys on NFL live thought the world of Norv and his system and that it was better. ALso said Moss could be better because of it. I don't see how, maybe it was Wanny's influence factor?
 
FinzManiac said:
Linehan's = 1+1

Turner's = Algebra

Take it for what you will...
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well since Algebra is x+1 =2 what is x, I wouldn't read too much into it.
 
There was another thread about this. It does seem like Linehan's system is pretty simple. The WR routes seem to check off one way about 80% of the time...deep. That's it. The short and intermediate stuff is for the backs and tight ends. We're getting our WRs use to the idea of catching the ball 40 yards down the field or more, and our QBs use to the idea of heaving it that far fairly often. Norv's playbook was much more complicated. Martz's playbook is the most complicated out there and his is a derivation of Norv's playbook.

But Norv's playbook was not his strength as an offensive coordinator. It was his play-calling.
 
IF That is the case we could make an argument that of why are we making our defense more complex. If 1+1 offense (very Basic) according to NFL Live and Moss is nothing compared to Norv turner Algebra (advanced) system. I am exicted about our new D, and maybe the old Offense is what made the QB look like failures. example Griese with the Bucs.

I am just throwing this out there... maybe better...Moss didn't so.
 
Turner's offense was severely handcuffed in Miami by two things. Dave Wannstedt and a lack of talent at the QB position.

Much like Scott Linehan's offense, Norv Turner loves to throw the ball down the field. He didn't have the gun to do that in Miami.

You will find that, in the grand scheme of things, there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between the offense Linehan runs and the offense Turner runs. The largest differences will be in the formations. Norv is a predominate two back, I Formation, two wide coach. He will go to three wide, but you will rarely see Norv run out more than 3 receivers at a time. Norv loves utilizing all of his receiving options as well. He loves getting passes to the fullback and tight end in the flats, and he loves to open up the downfield passing game to the wide receivers. The staple route in Norv's offense is the deep out.

Scott Linehan has run more of a one back set with an H-Back. Unlike Norv, Scott will use a lot of multiple wide receiver formations, and he will also use a lot of two tight end formations.

Norv's offense is derived from Don Coryell's offense.
Scott's offense is derived from Joe Gibbs's offense, which is actually a derivative of Don Coryell's offense.
 
I don't think Linehan's offense is simple..Moss is talking trash.. We never had audibles during Turners' time here, even if we saw a blitz coming, we were to go on with the play and get killed..

Linehan's playbook had lots of audibles and adjustments at the line depending on the looks defenses are giving us.

I remembered Moss saying that Collins was better than Daunte C.......

Moss is full of it .....
 
KB21 said:
Turner's offense was severely handcuffed in Miami by two things. Dave Wannstedt and a lack of talent at the QB position.

Much like Scott Linehan's offense, Norv Turner loves to throw the ball down the field. He didn't have the gun to do that in Miami.

You will find that, in the grand scheme of things, there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between the offense Linehan runs and the offense Turner runs. The largest differences will be in the formations. Norv is a predominate two back, I Formation, two wide coach. He will go to three wide, but you will rarely see Norv run out more than 3 receivers at a time. Norv loves utilizing all of his receiving options as well. He loves getting passes to the fullback and tight end in the flats, and he loves to open up the downfield passing game to the wide receivers. The staple route in Norv's offense is the deep out.

Scott Linehan has run more of a one back set with an H-Back. Unlike Norv, Scott will use a lot of multiple wide receiver formations, and he will also use a lot of two tight end formations.

Norv's offense is derived from Don Coryell's offense.
Scott's offense is derived from Joe Gibbs's offense, which is actually a derivative of Don Coryell's offense.
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That was really interesting. Thanks Box.

So Keith, I still have a KAJ jersey for you.
 
KB21 said:
Turner's offense was severely handcuffed in Miami by two things. Dave Wannstedt and a lack of talent at the QB position.

Much like Scott Linehan's offense, Norv Turner loves to throw the ball down the field. He didn't have the gun to do that in Miami.

You will find that, in the grand scheme of things, there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between the offense Linehan runs and the offense Turner runs. The largest differences will be in the formations. Norv is a predominate two back, I Formation, two wide coach. He will go to three wide, but you will rarely see Norv run out more than 3 receivers at a time. Norv loves utilizing all of his receiving options as well. He loves getting passes to the fullback and tight end in the flats, and he loves to open up the downfield passing game to the wide receivers. The staple route in Norv's offense is the deep out.

Scott Linehan has run more of a one back set with an H-Back. Unlike Norv, Scott will use a lot of multiple wide receiver formations, and he will also use a lot of two tight end formations.

Norv's offense is derived from Don Coryell's offense.
Scott's offense is derived from Joe Gibbs's offense, which is actually a derivative of Don Coryell's offense.
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Thanks for the explaination. Yeah Linnehan dosd use alot of 3 wide sets and we have 3 talented Wideouts.

don't think Linehan's offense is simple..Moss is talking trash.. We never had audibles during Turners' time here, even if we saw a blitz coming, we were to go on with the play and get killed..

Linehan's playbook had lots of audibles and adjustments at the line depending on the looks defenses are giving us.

I remembered Moss saying that Collins was better than Daunte C.......

Moss is full of it .....
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Yeah thats true too only rare;y did we audible and we sure as hit paid for it big time.
Randy Moss loves the spotlight doesnt he,? Damn Attention Whore.
 
Norv Turner is one of the most overrated coaches around. Mortenson blows this guy for some reason. What has he done? He was the OC during the SB runs in Dallas - WOW! Jimmy was in his prime and added so much talent who couldn't succeed. They had a HUGE Oline and ran the ball down people's throats and every now and then Troy tossed it long to Irvin or Harper. Great D and great Oline won there. What has he done since?? Redskins - bust! Miami - bust! Raiders so far - bust! IMO he is highly overrated and I don't see why his "system" is so highly touted. Dallas was so much more talented than everyone else. Heck Wanny and Davis were the DC's there - that tells you how good the coordinators had to be! They have done zip since. I believe that Jimmy ran that show there and the coordinators were puppets. Just look at the success of all his coordinators since then.
 
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