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[DolphanD]

Paul Hackett's offensive system is gone and Mike Heimerdinger's is in. In Mike's system there's alot more downfield passing than Hackett and I don't know if you could call Mike's system West Coast. So there goes the super West Coast Fiedler idea.

 

[Ruderic]

And he's still better than any of the QBs on the Dolphins current roster.

What a homer. Even in his avatar..

 

[PassRush]

Why? B/c I speak te truth? Feeley is not good, Frerrotte is not good, Fiedler is not great but he's ok and won alot of games for you. You cna give the company line about how it was the D and all that but the bottom line is the Dolphins record was MUCH better when he played than when someone else was the QB. Why was that?

Enough. *with us

 

[nyjunc]

I hate to break the news to you but 2nd round pick's are gold, who in the world would justify using a 2nd round pick on a qb by stating he's better than Koy Detmer. Andy Reid or Herm would trade thier moms for a 2nd rounder.

If they thougth Feeley was a player they would have held on to him.

That's nice......He hasn't played a full 16 games since he became the fulltime starter.....

Doesn't matter, he has played the majority of games in 2 of his 3 seasons and has led us to the div rd each time. I'll take it.

It's 2005 and Gannon doesn't play football anymore.

What does that have to do w/ anything? Chad has been the starter for 3 seasons, in 1 of those seasons he was the 2nd best QB and led the league in passing. to say he cannot be top 5 is foolish when he has already been top 5.

That was funny. Seriously though, next time use a smiley b/c someone might think you were serious...

W/o a doubt the only 2 I would take are Peyton and Brady. Who else would I take? the vastly overrated choker Daunte Culpepper? McNabb who plays in a creampuff div and creampuff conf? Vick? Not yet. mcNair? a few years ago? Favre? a few years ago.

Ummm how has Chad looked this year so far? It doesn't look like your "super" qb is bouncing back from rotator cuff surgery as quickly as the coaching staff would have liked. Is he throwing footballs yet?

Actually he has been throwing and was ahead of schedule w/ the last bit of reports at the last minicamp but thanks for asking.

If Jay starts the season, which is looking more and more likely, don't be surprised when Defenses stack the line w/ 8 man fronts and force Jay to throw over top of them.

Why is that looking more and more likely? Chad already began throwing and camp is 3 weeks away. Defenses stacked the line last year too when Chad couldn't throw and we still were a makeable kick away from the title game.

Paul Hackett's offensive system is gone and Mike Heimerdinger's is in. In Mike's system there's alot more downfield passing than Hackett and I don't know if you could call Mike's system West Coast. So there goes the super West Coast Fiedler idea.

Dinger;'s system is a WCO, it's just a different variation from the worst OC in the history of football, Paul Hackett.

 

[phillyphinphan]

If they thougth Feeley was a player they would have held on to him.



Doesn't matter, he has played the majority of games in 2 of his 3 seasons and has led us to the div rd each time. I'll take it.



What does that have to do w/ anything? Chad has been the starter for 3 seasons, in 1 of those seasons he was the 2nd best QB and led the league in passing. to say he cannot be top 5 is foolish when he has already been top 5.



W/o a doubt the only 2 I would take are Peyton and Brady. Who else would I take? the vastly overrated choker Daunte Culpepper? McNabb who plays in a creampuff div and creampuff conf? Vick? Not yet. mcNair? a few years ago? Favre? a few years ago.



Actually he has been throwing and was ahead of schedule w/ the last bit of reports at the last minicamp but thanks for asking.



Why is that looking more and more likely? Chad already began throwing and camp is 3 weeks away. Defenses stacked the line last year too when Chad couldn't throw and we still were a makeable kick away from the title game.



Dinger;'s system is a WCO, it's just a different variation from the worst OC in the history of football, Paul Hackett.

Your vastly overvaluing your two qbs; Penny is a decent player but a TOP 3 qb in the league? I dont care what he did two seasons ago, you should that every football season is a entirely different entity. And the fact of the matter is he struggled last year whether it be from injury or the pressure of the NY media. Until and not before he shows that he has regained the accuracy and control of a new offensive system I don't see how you can say top 3 or even the capability of being a top 3 qb. For the last time Jay is nothing more than a backup qb, and given enough oppurunities he will hurt you w/ his physical Limitations.
I just caught sight of your AV. HOMER to the end, that's cool. I let you live in your dilusional little world and I won't rain on your day w/ nasty words like "perpesctive" and "logic".

 

[nyjunc]

Your vastly overvaluing your two qbs; Penny is a decent player but a TOP 3 qb in the league?

I said he could be top 5 again as he was in 2002, it's not a stretc. When healthy he produces and we win and that was w/ the worst OC in the history of football.

And the fact of the matter is he struggled last year whether it be from injury or the pressure of the NY media.

It was from the injury, the man had a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. He was having a pro Bowl year until he got hurt. He was 137 of 201(68%), 1,502 yds, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, a rating of almost 100.

Until and not before he shows that he has regained the accuracy and control of a new offensive system I don't see how you can say top 3 or even the capability of being a top 3 qb.

I never said he was top 3, I said I would only take 2 QBs ahead of him if I had the choice but I think he can be a top 5 QB again as he was in the past. As long as he is healthy, he is as smart as they come and as accurate as they come and now w/ a new OC who belongs in the NFL(unlike Hackett) he can maximize his abilities. Obviously he has to be healthy but by all accounts he is on or ahead of schedule and will definitely be ready for the season.

I just caught sight of your AV. HOMER to the end, that's cool. I let you live in your dilusional little world and I won't rain on your day w/ nasty words like "perpesctive" and "logic".

I'm a homer b/c I think Chad can be a top 5 QB which he has been in the past and in 2 of his 3 seasons he has played 3/4 of the games the Jets have been a big time team? But it's ok if you sign Law and schulters you'll be a playoff team, right? Your D still wouldn;t be a top D w/ those guys, your D is aging and has always folded in big spots w/ this core plus you have AJ Feeley at QB. Chad w/ a torn rotator cuff is better than AJ at 100%. Thanks for your perspective and logic

 

[phillyphinphan]

I said he could be top 5 again as he was in 2002, it's not a stretc. When healthy he produces and we win and that was w/ the worst OC in the history of football.



It was from the injury, the man had a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. He was having a pro Bowl year until he got hurt. He was 137 of 201(68%), 1,502 yds, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, a rating of almost 100.



I never said he was top 3, I said I would only take 2 QBs ahead of him if I had the choice but I think he can be a top 5 QB again as he was in the past. As long as he is healthy, he is as smart as they come and as accurate as they come and now w/ a new OC who belongs in the NFL(unlike Hackett) he can maximize his abilities. Obviously he has to be healthy but by all accounts he is on or ahead of schedule and will definitely be ready for the season.



I'm a homer b/c I think Chad can be a top 5 QB which he has been in the past and in 2 of his 3 seasons he has played 3/4 of the games the Jets have been a big time team? But it's ok if you sign Law and schulters you'll be a playoff team, right? Your D still wouldn;t be a top D w/ those guys, your D is aging and has always folded in big spots w/ this core plus you have AJ Feeley at QB. Chad w/ a torn rotator cuff is better than AJ at 100%. Thanks for your perspective and logic

If you'd only take 2 qbs ahead of pennigton Regardless of the offense being run that sounds to me that you think he is a top 3 qb. top 3, top 5 it doesnt matter b/c penny just isnt there. just like I dont like to use "if" arguments I can't repsect a argument that says "he was having a probowl year until he got hurt" well guess what? he got hurt. That like me saying David boston is a top 5 wr in the league b/c he he put big numbers 3 years ago. Penny is a decent - good qb, but your taking this ish a step too far too soon.
Every year and each and every year the top players prove their mettle on the football feild. players emerge and players fall off all the time. your hanging your hat on what he did two seasons ago when he has'nt duplicated those numbers over a full season since. You can take that BS down the street and tell it to another jets fan...
BTW if someone offers a 2nd round pick for a qb you picked up in the 5th and is backing up a probowler whose going to be your qb for the next seven years you really should take that 2nd...
And as for the law/schulters comment, yeah I said that and if we sign both (which I highly doubt) I'll stand by that......

 

[nyjunc]

If you'd only take 2 qbs ahead of pennigton Regardless of the offense being run that sounds to me that you think he is a top 3 qb.

In certain years he may not be top 5-10, as long as he is healthy he is. He was in '02 and he was the first half of last year. If he can stay relatively healthy he is top 5 and after manning & Brady you can debate who is #3 but I would take him over anyone out there.

BTW if someone offers a 2nd round pick for a qb you picked up in the 5th and is backing up a probowler whose going to be your qb for the next seven years you really should take that 2nd...

Normally I'd agree but coming off a season in '02 where McNabb injury probably cost them a SB it didn't make sense to get rid of the better backup even if Miami foolishly offered a 2nd rounder. If we were talking about a mediocre team who needed more help then I make the move but Philly did not need to make that move.

 

[phillyphinphan]

In certain years he may not be top 5-10, as long as he is healthy he is. He was in '02 and he was the first half of last year. If he can stay relatively healthy he is top 5 and after manning & Brady you can debate who is #3 but I would take him over anyone out there.



Normally I'd agree but coming off a season in '02 where McNabb injury probably cost them a SB it didn't make sense to get rid of the better backup even if Miami foolishly offered a 2nd rounder. If we were talking about a mediocre team who needed more help then I make the move but Philly did not need to make that move.

If I'm not mistaken you have tennessee's O cord. besides your top 2 I'd take culpepper and mcnabb and an old farve and mabye even green over Penny, epescially if the new O features more down the feild throws. That's not a slight on Penny but those qb's have much stronger arms and have proven more than penny.
Oh yeah, the eagles used our 2nd to grab wr brown out georgia. TO -holdout; Mitchell- gone. that leaves you w/ a wr corp of greg lewis and todd pinkston. who? exactly. the eagles are not a mediocre team but they used the pick to bolster a mediocre unit. and as far as repalcing the backup qb position, they signed mcmahon from detroit to fill Feeley's spot. Like I said when someone offers you a 2nd for a BACKUP you take it.... unless your running the show, right?

 

[nyjunc]

If I'm not mistaken you have tennessee's O cord.

That is correct, this will be his first year here and he turned McNair from a great running QB into a great QB period.

besides your top 2 I'd take culpepper and mcnabb and an old farve and mabye even green over Penny, epescially if the new O features more down the feild throws. That's not a slight on Penny but those qb's have much stronger arms and have proven more than penny.

McNabb has the luxury of playing in a creampuff conf, put him in the AFC East and watch those #s go way down and the wisn go way down. I like him but I'd prefer Chad. Culpepper is a fantasy QB, puts up great #s but when the moments and games get bigger he gets smaller. Favre is still a gamer but his skills have deteriorated and he throws way too many picks.

Chad's weak arm is way overblown, he can make all the throws he has to. Did you see that pass to Moss in the playoffs against SD? it wasa thing of beauty and that was WITH a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. As long as he is healthy(and all indications are he will be) he will be fine in this O.

Oh yeah, the eagles used our 2nd to grab wr brown out georgia. TO -holdout; Mitchell- gone. that leaves you w/ a wr corp of greg lewis and todd pinkston. who? exactly. the eagles are not a mediocre team but they used the pick to bolster a mediocre unit. and as far as repalcing the backup qb position, they signed mcmahon from detroit to fill Feeley's spot. Like I said when someone offers you a 2nd for a BACKUP you take it.... unless your running the show, right?

Of course you take the 2nd rd pick if you think he is easily replacebale but if you think this guy can be better than a backuip you hold on to him. They found they could steal a 2nd from Miami and sign a QB who is just as good in McMahon so it was wise of the Eagles but if they thought they had a real player they would not have unloaded him so quickly.

 

[phillyphinphan]

That is correct, this will be his first year here and he turned McNair from a great running QB into a great QB period.



McNabb has the luxury of playing in a creampuff conf, put him in the AFC East and watch those #s go way down and the wisn go way down. I like him but I'd prefer Chad. Culpepper is a fantasy QB, puts up great #s but when the moments and games get bigger he gets smaller. Favre is still a gamer but his skills have deteriorated and he throws way too many picks.

Chad's weak arm is way overblown, he can make all the throws he has to. Did you see that pass to Moss in the playoffs against SD? it wasa thing of beauty and that was WITH a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder. As long as he is healthy(and all indications are he will be) he will be fine in this O.



Of course you take the 2nd rd pick if you think he is easily replacebale but if you think this guy can be better than a backuip you hold on to him. They found they could steal a 2nd from Miami and sign a QB who is just as good in McMahon so it was wise of the Eagles but if they thought they had a real player they would not have unloaded him so quickly.

In the case of the QBs I'd take, it's less about solely armstrentgh and more about what each qb brings to the game. Don't knock a qb for being in a "Cream puff conf" a team can only play who is on thier schedule. Besides you're quick to point out what you percieve to be the "wharts" in these other qbs but dismiss the same "wharts" in your's, use more perspective.

Your qb/backup qb theory has only been apllicable in two situations in the past twenty years San fran of the early 90's w/ Montana/Young which really wasn't the same because Montana was on the downside of his career and mabye Brees/Rivers but that's a stretch too, b/c you're just not completely sold on brees, other than that you get the highest possible value for a player that will not see the feild in atleast 5 years, especially when the starter is a preinnial probowler. using your logic, you wont maximize the vaule of ALL your players whether it be playing time or trade value. You would have players just rotting away on the bench....

 

[PHINBRED]

And he's still better than any of the QBs on the Dolphins current roster.

I GUESS YOU'LL FIND OUT THE HARD WAY!!:D