News on QBs and Big Ears!!

[phinman1]

Doesn't it mean anything to Dolphins fans when our two biggest rivals fans come on and say Feidler was a pretty decent QB? It amazes me how blind people are to the fact that we won when Jay was here. I still think we would be better off with Jay than either QB on the roster now.

Jay sucked but AJ had no help...they played for the same team guys cmon. Jay actually had LESS talent around him than AJ last year.

Jay had to be the next Marino while AJ just has to be the next Feidler. Thats the only difference between fans loving him and hating him.

So you would rather have a QB who has taken us nowhere year after year, than a younger guy with a better arm, who after finally getting his chance, led us to two wins in the 4th quarter late last year? One win being against the world champions.

 

[DolfanISS]

Big ears has a better coaching staff and a WCO that seems to suit him better. He may come back to haunt you.

I agree, poeple act like Miami lost every single game that big ears was the QB and that he was 0-100 as the Miami starter.

Anybody who thinks that the Jets could never beat us with Jay starting at QB is a complete idiot!!!!

 

[Justasportsfan]

Fiedler had RW and a respected offensive mind in Turner, and continually came up short when it mattered most. AJ had no RW, and his OC was a guy nobody respected or feared. The evaluation of Fiedler is complete, i.e. he'll never take anybody anywhere. As for AJ, the story has yet to be told.

I recall some posts this time last year where finfans said" we made playoffs without RW and we'll make it again this year without him". All of a sudden JF had RW? Like I said, Norv's system is not fit for JF to run.

Jay Fiedler may have had RW but he also had Wanny overiding Norv turner's calls. Jay has Martin and a way better HC than what he had w/ the fins.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Because Fielder did WHAT?

Win a bunch of meaningless games and throw INTS?

I always thought Fiedler sucked. However, he's in a different system now that could very well make him decent. That's all I'm saying.

 

[nyjunc]

Buddy...Fiedler played about 6 games last year. Couldn't win one.

Once again I was talking 2000-2003, NOBODY could have won w/ that group last year not even Dan.

This is pretty much to mr nyjunc. First let me say, that I am a homer, but I tend to think that I have enough brain to say things in an unbiased way when I compare teams. Fiedler has burned us once, when with the jags, and that game was a complete atrocity, so I don't know if you can count it. You have no examples, or means to say that Fiedler has been our best QB.

2000-2003:

WITH Jay: 36-16(1-2 playoffs) 69%
WITHOUT: 5-7 42%

Please explain to me why you won almost 70% of the time he started and only 42% when he didn't start?

See that next playoff game against the Raiders and the ints he threw.

He didn't play well but it was closer than 62-7 and 38-3 like the previous 2 PO losses.

See the last Game against the Pats Epecially the 4th qtr, that was the year we lost and allowed you guys to sneak in....

Oh you allowed us to sneak in What did he do in the 4th qtr? He allowed NE to score all those points? What about your supposed big time D? They don't get blame?

The reason AJ was third string was b/c Koy Detmer was/is Akers holder there is no doubt up here that AJ was MUCH better than Koy *not a AJ lover*

No doubt? Then why when McNabb was out did Detmer start? If your theory is correct about the holder situation they could have had Koy as the backup to Feeley but Feeley didn't play until Koy got hurt.

No, Jets fans say Fiedler is a decent QB now because he is a Jet, and with Pennington having the toughness of an 8 year old, they know Fiedler will be on the field at some point.

Check the archives, I have always said Fiedler was underrated.

Chad is one of the toughest QBs in the league. He had 2 freak, difficult injuries and came back early from both. He was playing w/ a TYORN ROTATOR CUFF ON HIS THROWING SHOULDER. If you don't think that's tough then I can't help you.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

I always thought Fiedler sucked. However, he's in a different system now that could very well make him decent. That's all I'm saying.

As long as the system does not have any quick passes that need speed and accuracy or a pass to the sideline, Fiedler should be great.

 

[Justasportsfan]

As long as the system does not have any quick passes that need speed and accuracy or a pass to the sideline, Fiedler should be great.

I don't expect him to be great. Just better compared to what he was when he was a fin.

 

[Zeke0123]

Once again I was talking 2000-2003, NOBODY could have won w/ that group last year not even Dan.



2000-2003:

WITH Jay: 36-16(1-2 playoffs) 69%
WITHOUT: 5-7 42%

Please explain to me why you won almost 70% of the time he started and only 42% when he didn't start?

2 words Ray Lucas.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

I don't expect him to be great. Just better compared to what he was when he was a fin.

he can't throw a quick out. He can't throw a quick dart to anyone. I guess in a system with a great runningback, an amazing line, a hall of fame tight end and two great wide recievers that are excellent at catching over throws and under throws, then yes he will be better than he was when he was with the phins. Of course it is more of the team than him.

 

[Zeke0123]

I don't expect him to be great. Just better compared to what he was when he was a fin.

not gonna happen he is what he is.. a weak armed journyman with a lot of heart and a few occasional brain farts.

 

[nyjunc]

2 words Ray Lucas.

Ray Lucas was 6-3 for us in 1999 including 2 wins over the Marino led Dolphins.

 

[phinman1]

I recall some posts this time last year where finfans said" we made playoffs without RW and we'll make it again this year without him". All of a sudden JF had RW? Like I said, Norv's system is not fit for JF to run.

Jay Fiedler may have had RW but he also had Wanny overiding Norv turner's calls. Jay has Martin and a way better HC than what he had w/ the fins.

What some phinfans posted last year has nothing to do with my post. You are inconsistent as well. First you say Fiedler didn't fit Norv's system, then you say Norv was vetoed by Wanny, intimating Norv couldn't properly install his offense. Which was it?

Also, Jay didn't fit Norv's system because he had no arm and made poor decisions, i.e., he wasn't very good. As for the WCO offense being a better fit, Jay's most horrific intros were on short wobblers. Finally, don't be surprised if Martin hits the wall, and there will be no Jordan to spell him either.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Ray Lucas was 6-3 for us in 1999 including 2 wins over the Marino led Dolphins.

yes which was why a lot of Dolfans were happy when he signed by the Dolphins. Just look at the game against Buffalo, he had 5 turnovers that were no one's fault but his own. Two were fumbled hand offs.

 

[Zeke0123]

Ray Lucas was 6-3 for us in 1999 including 2 wins over the Marino led Dolphins.

hence the reason Wanny signed him.. under the illusion that he could play...an illusion that was quickly shattered when he took his first snap in miami...his qb rating was probably about .5 im not even going to bother to look them up.

 

[Justasportsfan]

What some phinfans posted last year has nothing to do with my post. You are inconsistent as well. First you say Fiedler didn't fit Norv's system, then you say Norv was vetoed by Wanny, intimating Norv couldn't properly install his offense. Which was it? .

both, which is why when you say it's not fair to judge AJ because he was in a bad situation, the same can be said about Fiedler. Yes, he was the favorite of a idiot HC but that doesn't mean he was in a situation to succeed.

Also, Jay didn't fit Norv's system because he had no arm and made poor decisions, i.e., he wasn't very good. As for the WCO offense being a better fit, Jay's most horrific intros were on short wobblers. Finally, don't be surprised if Martin hits the wall, and there will be no Jordan to spell him either.

Norv made RW run because Fiedler couldn't throw deep. I know that. But why get a OC that cannot use the abilities of his qb and even if he did try,Wanny was HC who would over ride any of Norv's attempts to put JF in a better situation.

Look , I've said it before and I'll say it again, JF is nothing more than a back-up qb, but he could be a decent one put in the right situation. I think he's better off w/ the jets than w/ the fins.