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Next Season, Jets/Pats QB situation, what should we do?

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This is something I never really put much thought in to because I'm so happy with Pennington, but just as a "what if"....

suppose we destroy the Jets Sunday, I'm already hearing rumors about Favre having a bad shoulder, and Mangini might be on his way out, the Jets might have to let Favre go (if he doesn't retire first). With all the rebuild money they've spent to make a run one must assume they don't want to fall to the bottom of the east, so they would want to keep a quality QB.

Well, Matt Cassel is free as of seasons end, assuming Brady comes back miraculously healed and ready to start, it would probably cost NE a lot to keep Cassel especially with so many teams in need of a good QB right now.

I've heard other people saying that they thought we should take Cassel and I never really seriously thought about it because we hopefully have a solid backup in Henne and if need be a decent 3rd in Beck. Then I started to think though, should we take our chances in trying to obtain Cassel and release Beck? Even if we only got him for a year it would prevent the Jets from possibly getting him, and I have to at least hope that Brady won't be the same when he gets back. I really don't want to have to face Brady and Cassel every year though.

As an extra security I think he would be good to have too because even though Chads done miracles for us this season he isn't known for making full seasons, and if he were to go down early next year we still have no guarantees Henne is ready but Cassel should be good to go. If nothing else it would certianly give us a very competative camp. Thoughts?
 
Cassel is going to get some pretty nice $$ offers from teams to be a Starting QB. The Jets if this is Favre's last season, maybe the Bucs or the Browns, or whoever, but, I am sure he'll have some offers to be a starter somewhere next season, I don't see him agreeing to come here to compete for the 2nd or 3rd string position behind Pennington when he'll be able to get a starting job somewhere.
 
I understand what you're saying and yes, it would suck if he becomes a Jet, but he's not going to come here to play backup and we're not going to give him the money he's going to want.

Plus I'm not 100% sold on him without Belichick just yet.

We've got too many other needs (e.g. upgrading the defense) to spend money on this guy. Plus I think we're pretty stacked at QB as it is...Henne is a good backup and possible eventual starter and Beck's a decent 3rd stringer.
 
Personally I might take a chance on him had Pennington not done so well this year. And it is not too likely he takes a back seat to Pennington. However if we did not have Pennington in house and only had Henne. I would certainly take him since he has done good as a starter this year.
I have not seen anything yet of Henne to show me that he will be a good starting Qb. Maybe when he actually gets in a game and shows us something I might consider him. But until then I would rather go with Pennington or a Cassel if he were to be had.
 
i honestly think the Pats might tag him. I'm not kidding. I think they are that afrad of him going to the jets.


Just my opinion of course, but seriously, it would be such a Patriot move.
 
How would the Jets sign him? Aren't they scheduled to be 20 bajillion over the cap next year anyways? I think it's 26 million...that's more than just getting rid of Favre...who else would they have to get rid of/restructure?
 
CitizenSnips said:
i honestly think the Pats might tag him. I'm not kidding. I think they are that afrad of him going to the jets.


Just my opinion of course, but seriously, it would be such a Patriot move.
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God i hope this happens, i would throw a party and drink for a week.

Not only would it force the patriots to pay Cassel more than brady (brady will be making in the 15 million dollar range and his understudy would be making 17 million) it would also force the patriots to pay 2 people in one position 32 million out of the 114 million they are allowed to spend.

What a great day that would be!
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We'll never sign Cassell. He's going to get starter money, and we're not giving that to him when we have Pennington. Granted, I have to assume he's better than Henne purely because he's a known quantity. Henne has looked good, but nobody really knows how good he'll be.
 
I do like Cassel but I don't think the pats will let him go to a AFC east team. Probably some sort of sign and trade deal to make sure he doesn't end up with the jets. Don't think they could afford him any way.
As for us we have some big areas to address before we worry about QB. We need play makers at WR, FS, LB and DL. We need a long term solution at DT and depth at OL at least one more CB opposite Will Allen, so we can move Goodman to nickle. QB is not where we are gonna be looking.
 
DolfanAdam said:
This is something I never really put much thought in to because I'm so happy with Pennington, but just as a "what if"....

suppose we destroy the Jets Sunday, I'm already hearing rumors about Favre having a bad shoulder, and Mangini might be on his way out, the Jets might have to let Favre go (if he doesn't retire first). With all the rebuild money they've spent to make a run one must assume they don't want to fall to the bottom of the east, so they would want to keep a quality QB.

Well, Matt Cassel is free as of seasons end, assuming Brady comes back miraculously healed and ready to start, it would probably cost NE a lot to keep Cassel especially with so many teams in need of a good QB right now.

I've heard other people saying that they thought we should take Cassel and I never really seriously thought about it because we hopefully have a solid backup in Henne and if need be a decent 3rd in Beck. Then I started to think though, should we take our chances in trying to obtain Cassel and release Beck? Even if we only got him for a year it would prevent the Jets from possibly getting him, and I have to at least hope that Brady won't be the same when he gets back. I really don't want to have to face Brady and Cassel every year though.

As an extra security I think he would be good to have too because even though Chads done miracles for us this season he isn't known for making full seasons, and if he were to go down early next year we still have no guarantees Henne is ready but Cassel should be good to go. If nothing else it would certianly give us a very competative camp. Thoughts?
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I'm not sure you thought about this long enough. Why would Cassel leave his backup role in NE to become a backup for another team? Obtaining Cassel would also hinder the development of Henne and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Sure Matt is more of a sure thing now because we have seen what he can do but before the season started he too was an unknown quantity.

Facing Brady and Cassel twice a year is not really a big deal to me. If we get our defense where it needs to be, in about two seasons, Tom and Matt will be the ones not really wanting to face the Dolphins twice a year. :up:
 
hoestly if the pats dont TAG him they are stupid! they can easily do what we did with Welker, they will certainly get a 1st and maybe even more from a desperate team in need of a QB. and no1 knows exactly how good Brady will be when hes back. If i was the pats GM i would tag cassel and if bradys doing good by week 3-5 i would simply trade Cassel b4 trade deadline......
 
gdiaz0358 said:
hoestly if the pats dont TAG him they are stupid! they can easily do what we did with Welker, they will certainly get a 1st and maybe even more from a desperate team in need of a QB. and no1 knows exactly how good Brady will be when hes back. If i was the pats GM i would tag cassel and if bradys doing good by week 3-5 i would simply trade Cassel b4 trade deadline......
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to tag him the pats would have to pay him 17 million dollars and that would make him higher paid than brady (i wonder how brady would feel about that)

And then you have 2 players for 1 position taking up 1/3 of your total salary cap.

Those conditions do not compare to the conditions were we let Welker go, 1st because once Cassel signs the deal (he would be a fool not to) there is no way a guy that was making minimum would pass up on 17 million dollars for one years work and 2nd what team would be willing to pay him 17 million dollars (a figure that would be non-negotable once he has a contract)
 
As others have pointed out, Cassel is going to get big $ to be someone's starter next year. He'snot going to sign for $2M to be Pennington's backup. And the thing with Cassel, like Derek Anderson last year, is you have no idea how good he really is. The Pats have a very good line, a great possession receiver, and one of the handful of most dangerous WR in NFL history. A lot of QBs look really good when they have all day to throw and two guys who get open all the time.
 
I think this is what will happen:

Pats will franchise him. Then they can take their time to see if Brady will be ready to go next year. Also they can change their mind on the franchse tag in the off season. If Brady is ready to go then they will turn Cassel into gold and trade him to a team that is desperate.

Jets can not afford him. They are 26 million over the cap next year. Even if Farve retires (which I think he will), they are going to have MAJOR problems. How are they going to sign any draft picks? There is no way he is going there.
 
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