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NFL.com: Dolphins Fans Now Crazy for GM Jeff Ireland

LikeUntoGod said:
But that was the easy pick. Everyone in the world said that was who we should draft. Everyone said that is who we were going to pick. I did not consider it a bold statement. In fact, Ireland had no choice but to take Tannehill. He was boxed in. If he did not take Tannehill he would be in the witness protection program right now, lol.
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LUG, that isn't really true. I don't think anyone was really saying we "should" take Tannehill, they were saying we "would" take Tannehill. There is a huge difference.

I am in no way defending Ireland. I think he is an idiot and I'm glad he put his ass on the line with this pick.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
But that was the easy pick. Everyone in the world said that was who we should draft. Everyone said that is who we were going to pick. I did not consider it a bold statement. In fact, Ireland had no choice but to take Tannehill. He was boxed in. If he did not take Tannehill he would be in the witness protection program right now, lol.
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Yet people said we were a no brainer to take Brady Quinn @ #9... so... maybe think about that? It might seem like an OBVIOUS pick to you, but to the rest of the NFL, it's not as easy as it looks in Madden, man.
Ireland got tons of value everywhere. PFW had Miller ranked top 50.
 
From what I'm hearing the salary cap is in decent shape as well. Philbin said they want to build from the draft,not with pricey free agents. It may take a little time but thats how you build a strong team. Using free agency mainly for depth should keep the cap in order. I think Ireland has decided thats the route to go.
 
I've been critical of Ireland, but he approached the draft just as I wanted him to. I have to be fair with the man. I don't like to see people put in positions of power when they're still trying to learn on the job, but he's progressed. This draft was night and day from that clown show last year. He needs to show he can put together a complete team. Dolphins fans were so starved to see our FO finally take a serious chance on a QB that the dude's bought himself some time.
 
The Ireland ****storm is what happens when talking heads like Sapp and J-Peezy get to run their mouths, and when writers start getting their talking points from fan forums.
 
MP-Omnis said:
The Ireland ****storm is what happens when talking heads like Sapp and J-Peezy get to run their mouths, and when writers start getting their talking points from fan forums.
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How do Sapp, Peezy, and Irvin get on TV. Listening to the stupidity and butchering of the English language is not entertaining.
 
Those seers among us already knew this would happen :D

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...e-Hyde&p=1064264161&highlight=#post1064264161

where's th'fish said:
The funny thing is all the haters will be kissing Ireland's feet if we take Tannehill at #8. Then they will say "of course we had a plan, I had faith in the guy all along!".

Then again, maybe we won't draft Tannehill. Who knows. The point is the draft hasn't even taken place and everyone's bashing Ireland like the season is already over.
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Yup. According to the article, 68% of the fans, most of whom likely were bashing Ireland hard before, now believe we has "a vision". On the money.
 
LikeUntoGod said:
I'm not sure I can say this correctly.

There are a lot of people in a lot of positions in a lot of areas that should be expected to do their job at at certain level.

I EXPECT a GM to draft well. We did not "find" any gems in this draft as far as we know. OTHER teams passed over them. Lamar Miller was there in the 4th round because no other team drafted him. This is just a example but us taking Lamar Miller or resigning Cam Wake was a very basic thing. A lot of the posters from here could of done the same thing.

You cannot give credit to anyone that is experienced and well paid because he is not a idiot. I expect a sales manager to do his job, I expect a waiter to do his job. I expect a guy that mows lawns to do his job.

Sometimes you meet someone who is extra good at his job and that is a plus But I really expect everyone to do a decent job. I expect a running back to get a certain YPC average. I expect a WR to catch a pass that hits his hands.

Jeff Ireland took the QB in the 1st round that 95% of all mock drafts said we would. I give him zero credit for that.

I do give him and Philbin a little credit for taking the best RT in the 2nd round even though even a simple minded fan like myself knew that it was the player this team needed.

And having Philbin and Sherman here begs the question. Did Ireland no make a mistake already that all of us can see because Parchells and Sparano are gone or because our new coaches are here? Just how much input does Ireland take? Did he funked up alone or was he forced to do stupid things?

Is Ross learning not to be a complete idiot? Did that thelp?
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1000% agree with you. People want to give Ireland credit for drafting well?

your supposed to draft well, it's your job and your expected too.
 
MiamiDolfan85 said:
1000% agree with you. People want to give Ireland credit for drafting well?

your supposed to draft well, it's your job and your expected too.
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And yet in the NFL its incredibly hard to do with so with any consistency. Do you not applaud a great piano player after a performance? Do you not give an oscar to an amazing actor? They are SUPPOSED to be doing those things, right? So why are we even acknowledging them?

Some of the opinions on here make me worry for people, not just in the realm of football fandom but in sociopsychological situations.
 
seisenrod said:
I've always thought Ireland is not nearlly as bad as others think he is. His drafts minus parcells have not been great, but have been in my opnion better then the prior GM's after JJ. Only time will tell. Needless to say I am happy with this year's draft beyond Tanny. Getting Lamar Miller was not a nessesity but possibly quite a steal. If the prior GM's had the guts to draft the Best and not the Need they would not have undersold this team over so many draft. To me Ireland not only has a great vision, but is always working to make it happen with the guts not to just settle on what fans want at the moment. Wheather we like him or not, lets not forget he's made some very good calls so far.
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This thread is similar to another with the common theme "Jeff Ireland is now loved/admired".

If we concede the point that he has a good eye for talent, and I'm not doing that yet until we see him have two drafts in a row that are as good as this one, there is a lot more to being a GM than rating talent.

You don't have to be loved, but you have to be respected by those you work with. Look at the problems we have had with FA's, recruiting coaches (at least some of the responsibility lies with him), and the public relations issues with interviews with potential draftees over the past few years.

His job is to be the General Manager, not just the talent scout so until he runs the organization well I'm not ready to say he is a success yet.
 
NY8123 said:
Well I would not go so far as to say love. He bought himself time and is heading in the right direction but Jeff still has a lot of work to do before I fall in love with his GM abilities.
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See, this is not right...what has happened is what was going to happen all along...Ross' main squeeze confidant in all things football is Peterson. Peterson was an old time GM in the NFL. Not like the setups in many organizations now. He had total control (think Bill Quitcells) on all things football when in KC. Now he's instilled that into Ross. Ross's guy is Ireland. Ross had already determined that Irish was going to be this 'old time' GM for this organization. By selecting the fan fave in Tannehll, he cemented the fan base to go along with the owner's perception of a GM...

Ross had decided that Irish would have another period of time, likely another 3 yrs, long before this offseason even started. He proved that by passing on Fisher (which for other reasons, imho, was a good idea anyway). So we can complain or not about Ireland, but he's here for a while...

BTW, I've been an Irish supporter and still am, but it was pretty plain to see where Ross' vision has been on this matter anyway...
 
LikeUntoGod said:
I'm not sure I can say this correctly.

There are a lot of people in a lot of positions in a lot of areas that should be expected to do their job at at certain level.

I EXPECT a GM to draft well. We did not "find" any gems in this draft as far as we know. OTHER teams passed over them. Lamar Miller was there in the 4th round because no other team drafted him. This is just a example but us taking Lamar Miller or resigning Cam Wake was a very basic thing. A lot of the posters from here could of done the same thing.

You cannot give credit to anyone that is experienced and well paid because he is not a idiot. I expect a sales manager to do his job, I expect a waiter to do his job. I expect a guy that mows lawns to do his job.

Sometimes you meet someone who is extra good at his job and that is a plus But I really expect everyone to do a decent job. I expect a running back to get a certain YPC average. I expect a WR to catch a pass that hits his hands.

Jeff Ireland took the QB in the 1st round that 95% of all mock drafts said we would. I give him zero credit for that.

I do give him and Philbin a little credit for taking the best RT in the 2nd round even though even a simple minded fan like myself knew that it was the player this team needed.

And having Philbin and Sherman here begs the question. Did Ireland no make a mistake already that all of us can see because Parchells and Sparano are gone or because our new coaches are here? Just how much input does Ireland take? Did he funked up alone or was he forced to do stupid things?

Is Ross learning not to be a complete idiot? Did that thelp?
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LUG...it's not quite that simple. The guys running JP Morgan have been revered by analysts for years and they make some bad decisions and suddenly they should not only be fired, but put in jail ?? The same goes for the NFL. BB is regarded as a saint in most NFL circles because he took a flyer on a 6th round QB. Sean Payton is revered in NO because he took a flyer on a QB with a broken wing a few years back. AJ Smith is one of the better GM's in most circles because he made a trade at the top of the draft in 2004. Bill Polian is considered one of the great GMs because he selected two first round QBs and made his rep with them... If Tanny turns into the next Marino, all of the negative stuff on Ireland will be forgotten...

I said before the draft that Ireland would be stupid not to draft Tanny if he was available at #8...why ?? Because Tanny is a sure-fire future HOFer ?? No... because if he does he appeases 75% [or more] of the fans. That actually took guts, if in fact he thought that Tanny was not the best choice and took him anyway. But, as I said before the draft, taking Tanny not only appeases the masses for a while, but it also buys him another couple of years with the owner...not that he needed that. Ross has had his back all along anyway. I don't believe that a guy in the entertainment business, like the NFL, is graded the same way as the JPMorgan guys or the other CEO's of major corporations or even the midlevel managers and right on down to the workers. In most jobs, you are expected to maintain a certain level of competency. A GM is expected differently. Sure, he needs to be a good talent evaluator or have a good staff for that, but he can ride the wave of a Brady, Brees or Marino and look totally different, even if his evaluator skills are not great...
 
Too early to really tell if Ireland nailed this draft and FA moves. There's reason to be happy about Jeff and the picks, but I wouldn't start the parade until I see some of that optimism translate to game-day performance. Time will tell.
 
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