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The Dolphins have some major questions surrounding their wide receiver corps. Ted Ginn Jr. made some major strides in his second season as a pro, but he needs help. Is there enough in the Dolphins’ depth chart to give QB Chad Pennington some down-the-field options, or is this a direct reflection of the lack of arm strength Pennington posses? I agree that this is a run-first team, but let’s look at what they have going into August.
The Current Group (’08 stats included)
Ted Ginn: 56-790-2 TD
Davone Bess: 54-545-1 TD
Greg Camarillo: 55-613-2 TD
Ernest Wilford: 3-25-0 TD
Brandon London: 3-30-0 TD
Patrick Turner: Rookie
This group plays well together and works well with Pennington, but Ginn still needs to develop into a dominant down-the-field threat the team envisioned when it made him a top-10 pick out of Ohio State. Camarillo might be one the better receivers in the league we never talk about, but he’s coming off an injury. There is no feared wideout in this group, and we have to wonder if they can produce again with Pennington and help the Dolphins repeat as champs of the AFC East — a division that’s one of the best in the league.
The Dolphins Wild Card: The Defense
The key to the Dolphins’ success last season, and the key to their success in ’09, will again rest on the shoulders of the defense. With the lack of a No. 1 guy at WR, this team relies on the defense to set up the offense and put Pennington in scoring position. The Dolphins were plus-17 in turnover margin in ’08, sacked the QB 40 times and produced 18 interceptions. You can win with anyone at wide receiver when you do that. This WR group is full of unknowns, but it plays hard and is better than you think.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/05/what-teams-have-issues-at-wr/

Thought this was a good and candid article. Hartline or UDFAs not listed here, think that one (Hartline? Marion?) might produce. I think the TEs are also a wild card.
 
I agree with that assesment. We might not have that "big name" receiver but we have a bunch of guys that do play well together and work really hard. As long as u have 3-4 guys that play hard thats better than a Randy Moss or T.O in my book
 
If the tuna makes the trade for Boldin there will be no question marks about our receiving core come on tuna make the trade at the right price of course.
 
The Dolphins were plus-17 in turnover margin in ’08, sacked the QB 40 times and produced 18 interceptions. You can win with anyone at wide receiver when you do that. This WR group is full of unknowns, but it plays hard and is better than you think.


Jerk.... Does the No Name Deffense ring the bell.... Just because we don't have the media licking our shoes, it doesn't mean that Camarillo, Bess, Ginn, Fasano don't play at a very high level..
 
The Dolphins were plus-17 in turnover margin in ’08, sacked the QB 40 times and produced 18 interceptions. You can win with anyone at wide receiver when you do that. This WR group is full of unknowns, but it plays hard and is better than you think.


Jerk.... Does the No Name Deffense ring the bell.... Just because we don't have the media licking our shoes, it doesn't mean that Camarillo, Bess, Ginn, Fasano don't play at a very high level..
That do play at a high level but none of them will ever be an elite receiver.
 
Here is something that I found interesting.

Greg Camarillo started about 43 game quarters before taking his knee injury at the very beginning of the fourth quarter against the New England Patriots. During that time, he amassed 613 receiving yards.

From that point on, Davone Bess went on to start for 23 of the next 25 game quarters. He spent 2 quarters out of the Baltimore playoff game because he jammed his finger. During those quarters and those quarters alone, Bess racked up 387 receiving yards.

Project Camarillo's 613 yards in 43 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 912 yards as a starter.

Project Davone Bess' 387 yards in 23 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 1,077 yards as a starter.

Does anyone wonder why I keep gushing about how Davone Bess played in the final third of the season? When he was on the football field as a starter and really got his chance, he made plays as often as an 1,100 yard receiver...and yet he was just a rookie. Plus he blocks like a mad man. Highly underrated. The Dolphins found a real gem, with him.
 
Here is something that I found interesting.

Greg Camarillo started about 43 game quarters before taking his knee injury at the very beginning of the fourth quarter against the New England Patriots. During that time, he amassed 613 receiving yards.

From that point on, Davone Bess went on to start for 23 of the next 25 game quarters. He spent 2 quarters out of the Baltimore playoff game because he jammed his finger. During those quarters and those quarters alone, Bess racked up 387 receiving yards.

Project Camarillo's 613 yards in 43 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 912 yards as a starter.

Project Davone Bess' 387 yards in 23 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 1,077 yards as a starter.

Does anyone wonder why I keep gushing about how Davone Bess played in the final third of the season? When he was on the football field as a starter and really got his chance, he made plays as often as an 1,100 yard receiver...and yet he was just a rookie. Plus he blocks like a mad man. Highly underrated. The Dolphins found a real gem, with him.

I like Bess too...but I wonder how many of those yards came from him playing the slot position? Seems to me during last season in many games he and Fasano were the receivers of last resort....not the primary target.
 
I also think that what is being lost on most people looking at the stats of individual fins is that it appears that coaching staff is taking a 'platoon' approach to the offense. Just look at the production spread out of 2-3 guys in each position (ie. Ronnie+Ricky+Cobbs, WR mentioned above, Fasano+Martin)

I dont think any individual player is going to get the majority of stats or production unless there is a specific game plan to highlight that player. So if Davone Bess doesnt have a 1,000 yard season, but our WR core overall has an amazing year - I dont think anyone will care.

I think its pretty clear the league is moving away from 1 star player at each position and more into spead-out production (just look at how each team has two running backs that share duties now). Not saying having boldin wouldnt be awesome and bring team to next level - it just appears the team is taking a different approach to get same production numbers (ie. does it really matter if one guy gets 1000 yards or two equally capable receivers combine for 1000 with same number of snaps?)
 
One thing they didn't mention were the number of drops...or lack thereof...I don't think we even had more than 1 drop until about the Seahawk game...
 
Here is something that I found interesting.

Greg Camarillo started about 43 game quarters before taking his knee injury at the very beginning of the fourth quarter against the New England Patriots. During that time, he amassed 613 receiving yards.

From that point on, Davone Bess went on to start for 23 of the next 25 game quarters. He spent 2 quarters out of the Baltimore playoff game because he jammed his finger. During those quarters and those quarters alone, Bess racked up 387 receiving yards.

Project Camarillo's 613 yards in 43 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 912 yards as a starter.

Project Davone Bess' 387 yards in 23 quarters to a 64 quarter season, you get 1,077 yards as a starter.

Does anyone wonder why I keep gushing about how Davone Bess played in the final third of the season? When he was on the football field as a starter and really got his chance, he made plays as often as an 1,100 yard receiver...and yet he was just a rookie. Plus he blocks like a mad man. Highly underrated. The Dolphins found a real gem, with him.

ok, gotta disagree with you, CK.

First, any projection is specious and subjective. It's just a matter of degree as to how flawed it is.

Secondly, there's no control on your sample. To wit, Bess only got those yards b.c Cammy was hurt -- Cammy got his yards with a healthy Bess.

Thirdly, there's no comparison between a WR who gets his yards on his own skills and a WR who gets his yards on the back of someone else's skills. Example: the difference between a Johnson and a Welker is light years, imo. And yet, if you wanted to do an analysis based on yards alone [as you have done] than you might convince any weak minded person that Welker is a comparable WR.

Fourthly, related, there's no analysis of how those individual yards were gained: did he do anything to get those yards that essentially any fill in WR could have done?

Fifthly, there's no anaysis here of YPC or any stricter measure of a WR talent.

etc.

As far as pure skilled WR goes, I don't see it w. Bess. I see a Welker wannabe who makes his living in the zones and soft spots in coverage -- I see a WR who ABSOLUTELY struggles if manned up down the field, someone who if he gets man in the red zone you don't lick your chops and say, "Wow, we have a mismatch," but instead, "Oh, he's not gonna get open now."

Imo, it was pitiful watching Bess try to play a "real WR" in the red zone at times, at the end of the year.

He's got stuff he's good at but by no means is he a game changer. He's not a Hines Ward. He's hoping to be a Welker.

Just mo.

LD
 
Other than catching a bomb from White during the OTAs, any word on Lowber? He's not on the NFP list either and from raw measurables he has size and speed to burn. I understood he had very little football experience. Has he learned anything over the offseason?
 
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