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Nice Ronnie Brown article by Schad

Great article, my favorite quote...

At Auburn, Brown had to fight for carries at a program that featured Rudi Johnson, now with the Bengals, and then Cadillac Williams, who was drafted by the Bears on Saturday. But Brown didn't protest when Williams and a little-known fullback were being introduced as starters last season.
 
fantasticfins said:
Great article, my favorite quote...

At Auburn, Brown had to fight for carries at a program that featured Rudi Johnson, now with the Bengals, and then Cadillac Williams, who was drafted by the Bears on Saturday. But Brown didn't protest when Williams and a little-known fullback were being introduced as starters last season.
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caddy was drafted by the Bucs.
 
finsnchips said:
Ronnie is the man.

I don't think that the term 'model pro' does him justice. He is so humble but their is an air of confidence in his own abillity.
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Kind of like another Miami stud, only basketball, Dwyane Wade
 
HugeFinFan said:
Kind of like another Miami stud, only basketball, Dwyane Wade
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Yeah...

I like basketball, but am a Magic fan.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I liked it, especially the real world "breaking down Ronnie Brown" in the left margin. Those are legit grades, not fluff A+ or A- in every area like you see in some evaluations. I'm still concerned about the C+ area, elusiveness, when you translate that to the NFL where Ronnie won't be bigger, and not much faster, than many of the defenders who are trying to shatter him.
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He gets a C+ in elusiveness because people look at him, see a big back, and think he doesn't have the lateral agility to evade a tackler in space. That is a completely false assumption. This guy has very good lateral agility, and when in the open field, he can evade tacklers with his lateral agility.

What he isn't is a running back that will string a series of moves together. Sometimes I think people believe that to be elusive, you have to be like Barry Sanders making all sorts of cuts and spins to evade tackles. That isn't the case at all. The best running back in the league right now is LaDainian Tomlinson, and you will not see him waste a lot of motion by dancing or spinning in the open field. When he gets going, he's going down hill. Ronnie Brown is the same way. All you have to do is look at some of the clips of him at the Dolphins site on yahoo. You will see that he does have some wiggle in the hole, he can cut back across the grain, and he can evade tacklers in the open field. Of course, 3 minutes of highlights doesn't even match the four years that I've seen him play.
 
good article, even braylon edwards knows what was going on wiht our coaching, haha...

"Miami's already shored up the coaching," Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards said on the day before Cleveland made him the third pick of the draft. "If they were to draft Ronnie Brown, I think they're back in the fight"
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no doubt braylon
 
Get used to it. These are the type of players Saban will be drafting. In two or three years, our team will be full of Ronnie Brown's!
 
KB21 said:
He gets a C+ in elusiveness because people look at him, see a big back, and think he doesn't have the lateral agility to evade a tackler in space. That is a completely false assumption. This guy has very good lateral agility, and when in the open field, he can evade tacklers with his lateral agility.

What he isn't is a running back that will string a series of moves together. Sometimes I think people believe that to be elusive, you have to be like Barry Sanders making all sorts of cuts and spins to evade tackles. That isn't the case at all. The best running back in the league right now is LaDainian Tomlinson, and you will not see him waste a lot of motion by dancing or spinning in the open field. When he gets going, he's going down hill. Ronnie Brown is the same way. All you have to do is look at some of the clips of him at the Dolphins site on yahoo. You will see that he does have some wiggle in the hole, he can cut back across the grain, and he can evade tacklers in the open field. Of course, 3 minutes of highlights doesn't even match the four years that I've seen him play.
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Uh, you're not the only person who saw him play for four years. I've watched him for all of that period. Cadillac Williams was the superior player from the outset and will be as a pro. No doubt, the person(s) who gave Brown that much deserved C+ grade watched him for years also. They show virtually every game in Las Vegas sportsbooks and I'm lined up every Saturday, alongside several neutral observer friends of mine. Not one of them would describe Ronnie Brown as elusive.

Frankly, Ronnie Brown isn't close to Tomlinson in terms of instincts and elusiveness. You are correct, Tomlinson doesn't waste time with lateral movment once he has a clear lane. But he can create a lane of his own with decisive and instinctive cuts to evade the first tackler(s). Ronnie Brown can do nothing of the sort. You're right, he has "some" wiggle. Just not enough to be great. His combo of talents including hands will allow him to be superior to other size/speed guys who flopped due to lack of instincts, like Charles Alexander of LSU. Brown is not a stiffhipped straightline guy like a Tim Worley who was also drafted very high but couldn't evade.

I think Ronnie Brown is certain to be very good but not special. I think versatility is overrated in comparison to pure running skills. I always default to long term evaluation, not the last few months. It virtually never lets me down. My pick after Alex Smith was gone would have been Cadillac or Mike Williams. IMO, those players have so many rare qualities in vital categories they are destined to be Pro Bowl caliber players.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Uh, you're not the only person who saw him play for four years. I've watched him for all of that period. Cadillac Williams was the superior player from the outset and will be as a pro. No doubt, the person(s) who gave Brown that much deserved C+ grade watched him for years also. They show virtually every game in Las Vegas sportsbooks and I'm lined up every Saturday, alongside several neutral observer friends of mine. Not one of them would describe Ronnie Brown as elusive.

Frankly, Ronnie Brown isn't close to Tomlinson in terms of instincts and elusiveness. You are correct, Tomlinson doesn't waste time with lateral movment once he has a clear lane. But he can create a lane of his own with decisive and instinctive cuts to evade the first tackler(s). Ronnie Brown can do nothing of the sort. You're right, he has "some" wiggle. Just not enough to be great. His combo of talents including hands will allow him to be superior to other size/speed guys who flopped due to lack of instincts, like Charles Alexander of LSU. Brown is not a stiffhipped straightline guy like a Tim Worley who was also drafted very high but couldn't evade.

I think Ronnie Brown is certain to be very good but not special. I think versatility is overrated in comparison to pure running skills. I always default to long term evaluation, not the last few months. It virtually never lets me down. My pick after Alex Smith was gone would have been Cadillac or Mike Williams. IMO, those players have so many rare qualities in vital categories they are destined to be Pro Bowl caliber players.
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So what exactly do you mean by you've "watched" him for the last four years?

Because I'm a student who started the same time as Ronnie & finishing this Spring and have seen every home game he played in and a vast majority of the away games all in person and more or less disagree with most all of your analysis of him.
 
That guy is unbelievably unselfish. After being chosen number 2 overall he still would mind being backup to RW.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Uh, you're not the only person who saw him play for four years. I've watched him for all of that period. Cadillac Williams was the superior player from the outset and will be as a pro. No doubt, the person(s) who gave Brown that much deserved C+ grade watched him for years also. They show virtually every game in Las Vegas sportsbooks and I'm lined up every Saturday, alongside several neutral observer friends of mine. Not one of them would describe Ronnie Brown as elusive.

Frankly, Ronnie Brown isn't close to Tomlinson in terms of instincts and elusiveness. You are correct, Tomlinson doesn't waste time with lateral movment once he has a clear lane. But he can create a lane of his own with decisive and instinctive cuts to evade the first tackler(s). Ronnie Brown can do nothing of the sort. You're right, he has "some" wiggle. Just not enough to be great. His combo of talents including hands will allow him to be superior to other size/speed guys who flopped due to lack of instincts, like Charles Alexander of LSU. Brown is not a stiffhipped straightline guy like a Tim Worley who was also drafted very high but couldn't evade.

I think Ronnie Brown is certain to be very good but not special. I think versatility is overrated in comparison to pure running skills. I always default to long term evaluation, not the last few months. It virtually never lets me down. My pick after Alex Smith was gone would have been Cadillac or Mike Williams. IMO, those players have so many rare qualities in vital categories they are destined to be Pro Bowl caliber players.
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Ronnie seems to make the first guy miss, be it by outrunning him or using a wiggle. He is not as elusive as Caddy (thats why I think people are talking so much about it, since they were on the same team), but you don't need to be. Caddy is no Barry Sanders in the elusive department. Can he be a pro bowler? Yes. Can Ronnie Brown? Yes. Maybe not in your opinion, but that opinion I don't share since it seems biased.

Mike Williams will have a hard time I feel if he is lined up outside, he is a better fit in the slot. He struggles with bump and run corners. With his size he shouldn't though, but he does. Reminds me of Keyshawn.
 
ANALYSIS
Positives... Well-built athlete with an outstanding size/speed package... Flashes quick moves off the snap and is very effective scanning the field when taking a pitch-out...Shows determination and power running between the tackles...Has a compact build and a strong lower frame that allows him to run through arm tackles...Shows strength breaking into the secondary... Takes good angles trying to accelerate past the line...Has good veer and weave running with the ball...Protects the ball securely and displays solid route-running skills with proper hand extension going for the screen passes...Very quick and decisive getting to off-target throws...Stands his ground firmly as a blocker picking up the blitz, facing up to deliver a forceful hand punch.

Negatives... Works better when taking the pitch-out, lacking the sudden moves to get off the snap from the proper stance...For all of his power, he seems to prefer to run out of bounds rather than turn upfield to gain extra yardage...not that productive when called upon to take the ball up the middle...Looks to make the "home run" plays too often, developing a reliance on that factor... Better when he gets a rolling start (best with a few yards to build up), but still lacks that explosive burst you'd want in a player with his quickness...Little tight in the hips, preventing him from developing any "shake-&-bake" moves...Willing blocker, but not one who can rock the defender back...Shows strength breaking low tackles, but does not have that quick first step to avoid nor does he use his power to move the pile.
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That was Dave Te Thomas's profile of LaDainian Tomlinson back in 2001, when he was in the draft. Notice that the criticizm of him was his "stiff" hips and his lack of "shake-&-bake" moves.
 
If that scumbag ricky comes back and Saban moves Ronnie to backup, I may be done as a sports fan...I have a feeling that won't happen, though.
 
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