Nick Saban - Bill Bellichek Comparison

[ZOD]

I keep reading about this comparison. I keep thinking "Why can't they (people posting) see it?" I am beginning to realize that it's just easier to type a grammaticly incorrect "shot" at the Miami Dolphins coach.

There are alot of defensive theories and offensive theories of what works best in football. When you throw in salary cap and roster limits you have even more variation of opinion that is totally seperate from football theory. These are personell issues. This team is in year two of a 180 degree change of opinion of "what works" in personell and theory. Over 50 percent of the roster has change in two years. The way the team contemplates attacking and defending has changed at a similar rate.

What does this have to do with the comparison of Bellichek and Saban?

How many years has New England lived on the same theory?

I would argue that the present football theory in New England started in 1992 when Bill Parcells was hired. He took that team to the SuperBowl in 1996. Naysayers may cite the two year hiatus beginning in 1997 that sent most of the New England staff to the New York Jets. I would argue that the coaching staff gathered more players and more coaches to their theory. In January of 2000 (with Bill Parcells out of football) most of that staff came back to New England.

The "celebration" of New England's early 2001 success was all related to what Bellichek did in Free Agency. What did he do?

Bryan Cox - Free agent - New York Jets (Parcells, Bellichek)
Bobby Hamilton - Free agent - New York Jets (Parcells, Bellichek)
Roman Phifer - Free agent - New York Jets (Parcells, Bellichek)
Jermaine Wiggins - Free agent - New York Jets (Parcells, Bellichek)

Combine that with people they already had familiarity from the Parcells drafts.

Drew Bledsoe - Draft 1993
Troy Brown - Draft 1993
Tedy Bruschi - Draft 1996
Ted Johnson - Draft 1995
Ty Law - Draft 1995
Willie McGinnest - Draft 1994
Lawyer Milloy - Draft 1996

Adam Vinitierri - Free Agent 1996

So you tell me something while you contemplate another Saban "bash"...
How many years did it take Bellichek to mount a superbowl campaign in New England? How much assistance did he have from a Parcells staff that traces it's roots and familiarity with each other back to the 1970's on Ray Perkins Giant's staff.

The next time you contemplate that Saban/Bellichek comparison comment will you please give some thought to history. New England was far from an overnight success. As a matter of fact that franchise went through one of the best coaches in football (Parcells) before they could revert back to the winning doctrine that eventually arrived at SuperBowl success.

You morons would have Nick Saban do in two years what it took Parcells, Bellichek, Crennel, and Wise almost a decade to do!!!

 

[FinFan84]

I have to diagree. Although, I like Saban, things can be turned around quickly these days. look at what Parcells did with the crap jets, he took them to an AFC title game quickly, you cant tell me thier was any foundation in that craphole team.

 

[mk613]

true things can be turned around quick these days but the situation that Wanny and Speilman left for Saban was truely a huge mess that will take a bit more time to clean up then we'd like.

 

[ZOD]

you cant tell me thier was any foundation in that craphole team.

Testaverde - You probably never watched him in his youth.
Keith Byars - No talent?
Curtis Martin - No talent?
Dave Megget - No talent?
Jumbo Elliott - No talent?
Kevin Mawae - No talent?
Keyshawn Johnson - No talent?
Wayne Chrebet - No talent?
Kyle Brady - No talent?
Pepper Johnson - No talent?
James Farrior - No talent?
Mo Lewis - No talent?
Bryan Cox - No talent?
Aaron Glenn - No talent?

Your statement sounds similar to the Saban/Bellichek comparison statements I have been reading. They give no thought to the statement before their fingers start moving on the keyboard. The grammatical errors are similar to what I referenced too.

 

[FinFan84]

I live in the same town as Vinny grew up, so yea, I followed his career, A. he was never really good, B. Parcells brought him in after. And to say the putrid jet teams had talent is revisionist history. Yea a few of thsoe guys were ok, and also a few of them were brought in AFTER parcells was there.

 

[ZOD]

I live in the same town as Vinny grew up, so yea, I followed his career, A. he was never really good, B. Parcells brought him in after. And to say the putrid jet teams had talent is revisionist history. Yea a few of thsoe guys were ok, and also a few of them were brought in AFTER parcells was there.

Not at all..

Those players were selected straight from the 12-4 roster of 1998. So yea, your history needs a little "brush up".

 

[Phinzone]

BRAVO Zod. I HATE these Saban Bashers running around. Rome wasn't built overnight!

If Saban is gone WHO do you believe would take over this team?

when Saban came in he had to...

Fix an OL
Fix a Secondary
Find a starting QB
Find a starting RB
Shore up an aging D
Navigate us out of the bad cap situation we were in
Convince FA's to come to Miami


In 1.25 seasons he's....
1. Given us a starting RB
2. Fixed .5 of the secondary
3. Convinced FA's to come to Miami
4. Brought in 2 high profile QB's for the QB position


He can't do it ALL right away, and he still has had to switch OC's twice.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to see Miami build a true dynasty, a strong foundation and become perennial contenders again, you need to give Saban TIME. I'm talking 4 years until we're competetive again, and 6 until we're solidified at the top of the league. There's a huge hole from the Wanny era. Saban can do it, if you people don't run him out of town first.

 

[FinFan84]

No, you need to brush up. In your previous post you say the foundation was laid years before. I said you dont need to today in teh NFL, things can eb done quick, and pointed out the jets. They had nothing before Parcells was there,and he made them winners quick, that is my point, he brought his guys in quickly and the won.

 

[PhinFan0202]

I have to diagree. Although, I like Saban, things can be turned around quickly these days. look at what Parcells did with the crap jets, he took them to an AFC title game quickly, you cant tell me thier was any foundation in that craphole team.

What people don't understand is that they traded down like twice and got an abnormal amount of picks. Plus he had Bill Bellicheck and Romeo Crennel and Charlie Wise on his staff. Magini was there as well i think.

 

[ZOD]

In your previous post you say the foundation was laid years before. I said you dont need to today in teh NFL, things can eb done quick, and pointed out the jets. They had nothing before Parcells was there,and he made them winners quick, that is my point, he brought his guys in quickly and the won.

Where did Vinny come from? Was it not the same place Bellichek come from?

Where did Curtis Martin come from? Was it not the same place Parcells came from?

Those are the most notable addittions to that roster from 1997. Are you reinforcing my comments or disagreeing with them?

 

[lazareth]

No, you need to brush up. In your previous post you say the foundation was laid years before. I said you dont need to today in teh NFL, things can eb done quick, and pointed out the jets. They had nothing before Parcells was there,and he made them winners quick, that is my point, he brought his guys in quickly and the won.

and then where did the jets go after?

if we want to be a serious contender for years it can't be overnite success

 

[johngarryvo]

most telling stat between these two...Bill didn't hire himself as the GM...

 

[PhinFan0202]

and then where did the jets go after?

if we want to be a serious contender for years it can't be overnite success

Thank you for the insight. Alot of people don't understand that success isn't an overnight thing. It's going to take Saban some time to become a contender and we are going to have to be patient. Even if we go 6-10 or 5-11 it's not the end of the world. It's just one more step in the process to build the Dolphins.

 

[ZOD]

most telling stat between these two...Bill didn't hire himself as the GM...

Another great point. You are right. Bellichek didn't hire himself. He hired the guy that he hired while he was in Cleveland.


Saban didn't hire himself neither. He fired the guy Wannstedt hired and then hired what most would argue was the best talent evaluator on the market.

 

[ih8brady]

werent the jets 1-15 the yr b4 parcells took them to the AFC championship? His coaching didnt matter?