No, dave, I'll tell you what the real "sin" is..

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Im serious. She defends him like he is the best thing that ever happened since sliced bread. Mrs. Wannstedt I am sorry but your hubby isnt cut out for the job and the Miami fans want him outta here. So get the Uhaul and get packing.

He is better suited for coaching than you are for posting....

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I second that.....and let me go on record as demanding excellence and settling for nothing less........great post!

I wish we demanded as much from the posters on this site.....

 

[finjim123]

JJ put this D together and Wanny has run it into the ground.Whith this D we could have won the SB now it all but gone. So so bad for the Dolphins It is OVER for Wanny OVER!!!. But we wiil PUNT.

 

[RickyTshirt]

jeez. what's next BRING US HIS HEAD?

let's try to stay positive here

 

[Quad-Phins]

We all need to realize that yes 10 wins a year is a good record, the only problem is that we should have more games every year. Who says some other coach couldn't have done better. WE all cry because Marino never had the supporting cast to go back to the Super Bowl Right!! Well think maybe we had the Super Bowl team this past few years but didn't have the supporting coaching staff to do it. Maybe Wanny was holding our team back not getting us to 10WINS but HOLDING US TO IT.

 

[TorontoFin]

Holy s--. Wrote this up last night, waited a bit, no one bit. 24 hours later, it's gotten pretty lively. Not much more to add. Just: Go dave. Go away. Take jay with you.

 

[DA DICK]

I wish we demanded as much from the posters on this site.....

INCLUDING YOURSELF FIRST!!!!

 

[Predaphin]

let's try to stay positive here

what do you think ive been doing these past 3 yrs that Wanstetd has been here??? Plain and simple...It just doesn't work anymore.

 

[Lusus]

Can't we have a single Wanny basher on this site that doesn't argue like a 12 year old? Where did I ever say he was a great coach. Where did I say I was satisfied? If you can't argue the facts, don't bother.

What has Wanny done so good? 41 wins without adequate players on offense.

You state that they have had ONLY two playoff appearances and ONLY one playoff win like it actually proves something. It doesn't.

There is the fundamental argument. Did the Dolphins have the talent to do better? You obviously think so. So, what should their records over the last 4 years have been? They went:

11-5
11-5
9-7
10-6

How many additional victories should they have had?

Since I can't sleep because of the Gators, I thought I'd try to respond to this thread.

Directly, the year we were 9-7 we should have been 11-5 and in the playoffs. To me, that's Wanny's fault. I'll summarize my main idea here and expand below. "While Wannstedt doesn't actively take anything away from the coaching table, he doesn't really bring anything particularly enticing to it either. This to me is the very definition of mediocrity."

Wanny reminds me of a middle manager at a company and not an Executive Vice President. He's good at holding down the fort...he can manage projects, he comes in, he works hard, he sets up meetings, etc. When things are smooth sailing, he looks great, A+.

But...when there's a major project, or something that requires creative thinking, or an issue with some system that needs to be corrected immediately, he just can't do it. He doesn't have the ability to correct the problem, and he just sort of stands there, hoping that the people under him can take care of it. He's reactive and not proactive. Essentially he would stick around for around half the episodes of "The Apprentice" since he's not obviously deficient, but would be fired the minute the really good candidates are around.

To me, that's Wanny in a nutshell. We've had a good team these last few years. Last year it was clear that our O-Line wasn't going to cut it. Again, for that I blame Wanny. He knew what we needed but drafted wunderkind Eddie Moore instead. Where's the accountability?

I don't think he's the sharpest tool as a coach, I mean Xs and Os wise. I really don't. I've yet to see him make a halftime adjustment. I've never been like, "wow, who's calling the plays here, I hope he never leaves." He often looks lost on the sidelines. It's not really a knock on him...it's a hard job. I couldn't do it. 99.9999% of the US couldn't do it. He'll be a good college coach. He's not elite though, and he never will be.

I also don't think he's a very good leader. People respond in different ways to leadership. Some simply need to be told in quiet that the need to improve. Others need to have a fire lit under their butts. It seems that Wanny manages everyone the same way, starting from the same "standpoint". Personally, I think working for him wouldn't be so bad...he doesn't seem to expect much.

As another interesting point, I've yet to meet a person, I mean ever that has been like, "Miami lucked out to get Wannstedt". Every Bears fan I've even met (I hail from Chicago, so I know quite a few) can't stop chortling that we still have him as a coach saying "good luck with that". Most of them feel sorry for me as a Fins fan. Seriously. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?

Lastly, your main argument for Wanny seems to be "he's gotten us 10 wins, 3 out of 4 years." Personally I think it's a weak argument, especially over the last two. My counterargument would be how many wins would we have had the last two years if Belichick, Parcells, or Edwards had been here. Frankly, I think Gregg Williams would have gotten 8 wins out of the team in 2002, so 9-7 doesn't seem so rosy anymore. It's akin to an incumbent President running on a platform of "I wasn't that awful, so vote for me". Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Wanny's like the new Kia "luxury" car. It's nice it'll get you where you want to go most of the time, but it's not, you know, boss.

Doesn't Miami deserve the Benz with the 26 gold rims spinning?

So I challenge everyone who wants to keep Wannstedt. Articulate to me why Wannstedt should be retained another year (as of today). Ennumerate the many leadership qualities he possesses that makes him irreplaceable. Please also give examples of his situational leadership. Heck, give me some examples of his coaching prowess, because I honestly can't think of a time when I've thought "man he's a coaching genius" when referring to Wanny.

My prediction: Fins 24 Cincy 16. Book it.

Lu

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I don't think he's the sharpest tool as a coach, I mean Xs and Os wise. I really don't. I've yet to see him make a halftime adjustment. I've never been like, "wow, who's calling the plays here, I hope he never leaves." He often looks lost on the sidelines. It's not really a knock on him...it's a hard job. I couldn't do it. 99.9999% of the US couldn't do it. He'll be a good college coach. He's not elite though, and he never will be.

I've read quotes from Holmgren that say the opposite.

Lastly, your main argument for Wanny seems to be "he's gotten us 10 wins, 3 out of 4 years." Personally I think it's a weak argument, especially over the last two. My counterargument would be how many wins would we have had the last two years if Belichick, Parcells, or Edwards had been here. Frankly, I think Gregg Williams would have gotten 8 wins out of the team in 2002, so 9-7 doesn't seem so rosy anymore.

This is where people disagree. Parcells had a very similar team last year and he got .............. 10 wins.....

In 2002, Belichick coached the more talented Pats to......... 9 wins ........

And in seasons when Wanny got 11, 9, & 10 wins, Herm Edwards is responsible for 10, 9, & 6 wins......

Yet you rank all three higher than Wanny. Not only do you rank them higher, you imply that Wanny just sucks. It makes no sense to me. I also find it odd that you make the argument that since you don't think he is an elite coach, then he sucks. Is there no middle gound?

This is why it is not possible to convince each other. The Wanny bashers rank the talent of this team higher than the Wanny supporters. It is not possbile for either side to prove anything.

 

[PhinBeck]

I second that.....and let me go on record as demanding excellence and settling for nothing less........great post!

Yeah cause the fins owe you,LOL. Yeah we dont criticize or agree with you guys we accept mediocrity? Yeah right! Another classic example of self proclaimed experts. Get over yourselfs. News flash, your opinions are no more valid than anyone elses.

 

[PhinBeck]

Sorry guys it just these posts go for ever and all that comes from them is fans thinking other fans are @#!#@!#!@, and those fans think the other fans !#@$@$@%!@%^@!%. I am sorry but anybody that thinks any of us dont want the ultimate prize is wrong. But we are fans of this team thru and thru, even when things look bleak. It is a matter of accepting anything WE AS FANS can do nothing about it. Sorry but that is the thruth. You dont have to like the moves made or decisions made, but they have been made and are done. YOu can sit in the corner and cry about it or you can hope for the best anbd support the team, criticize and voice your opinion yes, but geez at some point it becomes redundant.