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Lee2000

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The media's handling of this was poor as well. First there is the implied "missed meeting" and that Saban stood up Wayne. That was wrong.
Yes, Saban said he was not going to be the coach at Alabama, but it is possible that this decision was more recent than the message boards out there would lead you to believe (agents send out feelers all the time). The money was reported in a wrong manner, even though it is a big incentive (ensured to get it all).
Between the anger of the Miami media and the fans and the elation of the Alabama program exist these highly probable details:

Saban enjoyed coaching at the college level more than the pro (he had to try it and he didn't like it). He has never made it a secret he liked coaching up young players.

Saban saw the task of building the Dolphins as overwhelming in some ways, and with the age of the team even more unrealistic in the time of his contract. And when a college team in a relatively small town area calls and you prefer that environment anyway you consider it (reported the family desired such arrangements as well). Miami is not for everybody. How many of you have made decision that didn't turn out and you made changes?

Not defending Saban's handling of the local media, but it is obvious from their reaction that they didn't care too much for him. Didn't like his manner and I am not saying Nick is not a smartee LOL! But I don't give the media very high grades either. And I say this at a national level. More and more misinformation is being printed. Journalism is getting very sloppy at all levels.

What I am happy about here is that an unhappy coach is leaving and someone with new energy is coming in. Lots of unanswered questions will make for an extremely exciting off season. I am a little angry with Nick, but the reactions I am reading are understandable, but a little on the misinformed end as well.


And no I am not saying I am more informed. Just know by human nature there are extreme reactions and the truth is typically somewhere in the middle.

Lee2000
 
I am just upset that he lied to Miami. He was quoted as saying he wont be the head coach in Bama. Why not be man enough to just come out and be honest.
 
Sounds to me like you`re trying to sugar coat the fact that Saban betrayed the Dolphins organization. If Saban had a family reason to leave,so be it but it`s no excuse to insult our intelligence and lie to our faces to save his. That,my friend,is not what loyalty and trust is all about.
 
Sounds to me like you`re trying to sugar coat the fact that Saban betrayed the Dolphins organization. If Saban had a family reason to leave,so be it but it`s no excuse to insult our intelligence and lie to our faces to save his. That,my friend,is not what loyalty and trust is all about.

He's using his family as an excuse to save face. Truth is, he knew he was overmatched at this level and he had no confidence in his ability to restore the team to respectability, let alone greatness.
He got swept by a younger Bellichick protege in Mangini, who was working with a less talented roster.
 
He's using his family as an excuse to save face. Truth is, he knew he was overmatched at this level and he had no confidence in his ability to restore the team to respectability, let alone greatness.
He got swept by a younger Bellichick protege in Mangini, who was working with a less talented roster.

Well said, I totally agree, not to mention getting swept by Dick Jauron as well.
 
If he lied he lied and there is not excusing that... but..

Sounds to me like you`re trying to sugar coat the fact that Saban betrayed the Dolphins organization. If Saban had a family reason to leave,so be it but it`s no excuse to insult our intelligence and lie to our faces to save his. That,my friend,is not what loyalty and trust is all about.

The same things that drives your decision about your own family would drive his as well. And as I said, he very well may have intended to stay up to a certain point. I will say that I probably don't believe that. His history is consistent with him not telling the total truth (When he left Michigan St. to go to LSU). While he loves coaching it is pretty obvious he is an opportunist by his track record.

Lee2000
 
Well, if that is the truth then it probably warrants ...

He's using his family as an excuse to save face. Truth is, he knew he was overmatched at this level and he had no confidence in his ability to restore the team to respectability, let alone greatness.
He got swept by a younger Bellichick protege in Mangini, who was working with a less talented roster.

a change for him. No he obviously didn't handle it well, but pride sometimes gets in the way. If he got overmatched then he is moving back to a level of competence for himself. Nothing wrong with that. At least he didn't stick with a sinking ship and not allow the crew to be saved like some coaches do (stay too long).

Lee2000
 
Saban lied and betrayed the Dolphins organization, thats a fact, I try to be possitive and think that maybe he just saved us of 3 or 4 more years of losing, he made decisions in the past drafts and off seasons that would have haunted him in the following years. So maybe instead of thinking we lost the past 2 years, we could have won 3 or 4 in our next rebuilding proyect.
 
He's using his family as an excuse to save face. Truth is, he knew he was overmatched at this level and he had no confidence in his ability to restore the team to respectability, let alone greatness.
He got swept by a younger Bellichick protege in Mangini, who was working with a less talented roster.


You are right on the money.

For all his preachings about digging deep, never giving up, staying the course, and following a process to success he himself buckled.

He is a farce.
He was presented with some real adversity, buckled under the pressure and ran.

In addition he didn't even have the Cajones to face the people he made commitments to in Wayne H. as Wayne had to travel to his friggin house to get an answer and to his staff who he told his answer to via conference call.

Gutless.
 
Well if Saban had been upfront and honest instead of distorting everything with lies then the media's speculation would have run much less rampant.

The guy was a tremendous dick to the media. Unreasonably rude. The fact that he was indignant over even being asked about Alabama made him an incredible hypocrite. I agree the truth of things generally rests in a grey area but there are some undeniable facts about how Saban acted that are absolutely shameful.
 
I generally agree with you... he set himself up...

Well if Saban had been upfront and honest instead of distorting everything with lies then the media's speculation would have run much less rampant.

The guy was a tremendous dick to the media. Unreasonably rude. The fact that he was indignant over even being asked about Alabama made him an incredible hypocrite. I agree the truth of things generally rests in a grey area but there are some undeniable facts about how Saban acted that are absolutely shameful.

for the responses he faces with this change. He is reaping what he sowed, but boy is he reaping some other things as well. Alabama in some ways may be endorsing such behavior.

Lee2000
 
for the responses he faces with this change. He is reaping what he sowed, but boy is he reaping some other things as well. Alabama in some ways may be endorsing such behavior.

Lee2000
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to tell u the truth although him being so admamant as tonot being the head coach of bama ever....i do understand that somewhat....a "no comment" at that point wouldve been turned into "im coachin bama" and the media would have gone crazy....but what is driving me insane is a man that preaches leadership qualities couldnt get up today and announce to the miami fans that he was leaving....if he wouldve done that today i would have accepted it but him being a coward makes me hope alabama goes 0-11 next year
 
No, but it is assured money...

and 8 yr 32 million aint as much as we were paying him

And the lifestyle is a big payoff for them as well; been to the campus and it is a great area and close to a bigger city.

Lee2000
 
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