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[fin1]

In light of the recent love fest for Quinn,I am starting the not available at No.9 thread. I, like many of my fellow fin fans on this board would love the opportunity to draft Quinn at #9, however logic prevents me from entertaining the thought. Oakland will most likely take Russell but several teams are lining for the Brady Quinn Sweepstakes. Detroit has Kitna, they need a qb, but mongoloid is still the GM so he may slip past them. Cleveland just signed Lewis meaning they probably wont sign Peterson, I believe this is where Quinn will end up. (there is a New England Connection there as well), If he slips past there, Tampa seems set but don't count them out, Washington is a wild card and could take him thinking Ramsey isn't the answer, Minnesota will most definitely take him if hes there so I don't see how hes going to make it that long for us to get him. Someone tell me how we are going to get hiom at 9 with all these scenarios available?

 

[JFoxx]

While I happen to be one of those who would love to get Quinn at #9, I'm also a realist and understand that the chances of him being there when we pick is very slim. I am not a big proponent of trading up to get him earlier, as this will cost us too much and leave holes that we need filled in this draft. While I can agree that many of the points you make as to why he might not be there, I can also come up with points as to why each of those team might not pick him also. So basically, if he's there at 9, great. But we obviously need to have a couple of "other" plans with what to do at 9 or if we get an offer to trade back and get more picks.

 

[SabanHater]

agree. he won't be there.

 

[Motion]

IMO the only people I could guarantee that won't be there at #9 is Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, and Adrian Peterson. Adams and Quinn are doubtful.

 

[PHINANALYST]

I don't see him being there at 9, nor do I see up jumping up to get him earlier either ...

There are lots of permutations that can happen on draft day ... but 1 COA I can see happening, is a small trade down to pick up another pick, so we can use it on Stanton in the early 2d, if'n he is still there .... [yes, I know we already have 2 X 2s]

Still don't think he is Cutler material, as he didn't show the ability to carry his team on his back like Cutler did at Vandy ... but, wouldn't be a bust as an early 2d round pick if he didn't work out. [He won't last past mid 2d rd, if even that long]

 

[dan the fin]

In light of the recent love fest for Quinn,I am starting the not available at No.9 thread. I, like many of my fellow fin fans on this board would love the opportunity to draft Quinn at #9, however logic prevents me from entertaining the thought. Oakland will most likely take Russell but several teams are lining for the Brady Quinn Sweepstakes. Detroit has Kitna, they need a qb, but mongoloid is still the GM so he may slip past them. Cleveland just signed Lewis meaning they probably wont sign Peterson, I believe this is where Quinn will end up. (there is a New England Connection there as well), If he slips past there, Tampa seems set but don't count them out, Washington is a wild card and could take him thinking Ramsey isn't the answer, Minnesota will most definitely take him if hes there so I don't see how hes going to make it that long for us to get him. Someone tell me how we are going to get hiom at 9 with all these scenarios available?

While I agree that the chances of him being there are slim, I just hate when people say there is no chance. Right now the only two players I would say there is no chance at all and thats Johnson and Thomas and that could change also cause of injury or whatever. Oh and Washington probably won't draft him because one they don't have Ramsey (trade to jets) and they like Campell and just used a first on him not too long ago.

 

[fin1]

I don't see him being there at 9, nor do I see up jumping up to get him earlier either ...

There are lots of permutations that can happen on draft day ... but 1 COA I can see happening, is a small trade down to pick up another pick, so we can use it on Stanton in the early 2d, if'n he is still there .... [yes, I know we already have 2 X 2s]

Still don't think he is Cutler material, as he didn't show the ability to carry his team on his back like Cutler did at Vandy ... but, wouldn't be a bust as an early 2d round pick if he didn't work out. [He won't last past mid 2d rd, if even that long]

I agree with you, but at what point do we takle care of other needs as opposed to taking a flyer on a qb? That is the million dollar question huh?

 

[dan the fin]

IMO the only people I could guarantee that won't be there at #9 is Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, and Adrian Peterson. Adams and Quinn are doubtful.

You beat me 2 it, I just posted about the same but I only said Johnson and Thomas. But I agree cause a lot can happen from then till now.

 

[Danny]

Quinn won't be there imo...I'd move down some, take Ginn and then Stanton at 40 if he's there...if not there's a few guys that should be there in round 3 that we could take a look at.

Ozzy rules!

 

[vafin72]

As a first time poster on this site, I realize that I have no reputation for having any knowledge about anything. However, I have been a long time Dolphin fan and long time lurker to this site. As a result, I have closely followed the Brady Quinn at #9 debate. While I don't believe he will fall to 9, I wonder if this isn't the best opportunity (ie. cheapest in regards to draft picks) we are going to have to move up in the draft to get our QB.

I can't help but ask the following question that Dolphin Guru's need to answer.

If we don't draft a QB this year who can take us deep into the playoffs in 2-3 years where do we get the QB to lead this team in 2009 and beyond. Even if Culpeper returns healthy, Isn't it questionable that he would be the franchise QB in 2009 and beyond? Trent Green is obviously a 1-2 year fix if we went that way. This team needs to build with a QB that can lead them in 3-5 years. FA QB's in the future are very risky. Even at the loss of one of our 2nd's, isn't it the year to move up to get Quinn? Building for the future means having a QB for the future!

Please don't get sidetracked and respond Quinn is going to be a bust! He may be and so might anyone else we draft at #9. This issue is where is our future franchise QB to come from if not this year!

 

[Motion]

As a first time poster on this site, I realize that I have no reputation for having any knowledge about anything. However, I have been a long time Dolphin fan and long time lurker to this site. As a result, I have closely followed the Brady Quinn at #9 debate. While I don't believe he will fall to 9, I wonder if this isn't the best opportunity (ie. cheapest in regards to draft picks) we are going to have to move up in the draft to get our QB.

I can't help but ask the following question that Dolphin Guru's need to answer.

If we don't draft a QB this year who can take us deep into the playoffs in 2-3 years where do we get the QB to lead this team in 2009 and beyond. Even if Culpeper returns healthy, Isn't it questionable that he would be the franchise QB in 2009 and beyond? Trent Green is obviously a 1-2 year fix if we went that way. This team needs to build with a QB that can lead them in 3-5 years. FA QB's in the future are very risky. Even at the loss of one of our 2nd's, isn't it the year to move up to get Quinn? Building for the future means having a QB for the future!

Please don't get sidetracked and respond Quinn is going to be a bust! He may be and so might anyone else we draft at #9. This issue is where is our future franchise QB to come from if not this year!

Good post and Welcome!

You make some very good points. It really comes down to what happens on Draft day IMO. Top 3 is out of reach IMO. However, if Cam/Randy think Quinn is indeed the answer we could move up to 4th overall, providing TB is willing, with just our #9 and #40 picks. Definitely a decent price to pay for a possible franchise QB.

 

[Regan21286]

It's doubtful that Quinn will drop to 9 now. Leaving only trade up or further developments in FA to help us acquire Quinn. With a spare 2nd rounder, we do have the ammo to trade up and I think we should. You just don't get many shots at an elite franchise QB prospect like Quinn. Especially one who has Quinn's background.

 

[PhinsRock]

As a first time poster on this site, I realize that I have no reputation for having any knowledge about anything. However, I have been a long time Dolphin fan and long time lurker to this site. As a result, I have closely followed the Brady Quinn at #9 debate. While I don't believe he will fall to 9, I wonder if this isn't the best opportunity (ie. cheapest in regards to draft picks) we are going to have to move up in the draft to get our QB.

I can't help but ask the following question that Dolphin Guru's need to answer.

If we don't draft a QB this year who can take us deep into the playoffs in 2-3 years where do we get the QB to lead this team in 2009 and beyond. Even if Culpeper returns healthy, Isn't it questionable that he would be the franchise QB in 2009 and beyond? Trent Green is obviously a 1-2 year fix if we went that way. This team needs to build with a QB that can lead them in 3-5 years. FA QB's in the future are very risky. Even at the loss of one of our 2nd's, isn't it the year to move up to get Quinn? Building for the future means having a QB for the future!

Please don't get sidetracked and respond Quinn is going to be a bust! He may be and so might anyone else we draft at #9. This issue is where is our future franchise QB to come from if not this year!

Next year's draft will have 3 pretty good looking QB prospects, like Brohm for example. Might even make more sense for us to wait untill next year to draft that franchise QB. If Daunte comes back and plays great he is young enough to do well for 3-4 years. If that happens it makes more sense to draft a Qb later as development material. What does not make sense is to have Daunte playing well for 3-4 years while a high cost guy like Quinn sits on the bench. Take a QB in the later rounds, then if he develops, great. If he sits on the bench for 3-4 years behind Daunte, it doesn't hurt us too badly or cost us too much.

Quinn will not likely be a bust, but he may not turn out to be all that much better than Stanton who would cost less than half as much and will likely be there in 2nd round. Mike Martz (who I hate, but you have to respect his opinions on QB's) is very high on Stanton. Could Stanton be the next Marc Bulger? I wouldn't mind that, would you?

 

[vafin72]

It seems like the Dolphins FO is always "lets wait until next year to draft a future starting QB. If we slightly improve next year and draft in the teens are we able to get a top tier QB with out trading up. How many picks are then needed to do so? And our QB now has one less year of NFL tutelage than if done this year.

Additionally, if Culpeper returns to form and we had a Quinn waiting in the wings, we would have a similar situation to San Diego last year. If played correctly we could possibly get value out of Culpeper or do like SD did and release to free up cap space. Don't think anyone is dissappointed in Rivers progress. They are likely set for many years at QB. When are the Dolphins going to be?

 

[Regan21286]

It seems like the Dolphins FO is always "lets wait until next year to draft a future starting QB. If we slightly improve next year and draft in the teens are we able to get a top tier QB with out trading up. How many picks are then needed to do so? And our QB now has one less year of NFL tutelage than if done this year.

Additionally, if Culpeper returns to form and we had a Quinn waiting in the wings, we would have a similar situation to San Diego last year. If played correctly we could possibly get value out of Culpeper or do like SD did and release to free up cap space. Don't think anyone is dissappointed in Rivers progress. They are likely set for many years at QB. When are the Dolphins going to be?

It seems teams have been stocking up on the next generation of QB's (Arizona, San Diego, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Washington, Minnesota, San Francisco, Denver, Buffalo, etc). It's about time we join the bandwagon. And we may never get a shot at an elite QB prospect like Quinn unless we really tank next year and get Brian Brohm.