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I don't understand why all the blame? OK I understand the offensive line but come on if we would of taken a 1st round Oline we would be calling for his head. Instead he did something that no one expected. Traded to the 3rd pick for particularly nothing and got a great OLB/DE prospect which we needed that help.

We needed WR help he brought us Mike Wallace and Gibson. I understand Wallace was overpaid but that FA was weak for a #1 receiver.

We need a seam threat TE brought in Keller but got hurt.

A probowl CB he cut Marshall, kept Patterson (if healthy would of been probowler too) and signed Grimes.

Now we come to the Oline. You drafted Martin which was projected a late 1st by most. You took BPA that year. We had no idea about him being a p***y. We signed Clabo which was a probowler and rated very highly last year (noone knew he would suck it up this year). We needed help at the OL and traded for Mckinnie.

Now the Fireland crowd will say he didn't fix the OL issue this offseason or during the season. How are you supposed to fix it? Trade? then we will be calling for his head. Draft? Then we would be calling for his head.

For the record I am pro-Ireland but if he were to get fired I wouldn't mind either. I personally think this year was one of the first year we didn't have so many damn holes lol. We were a few plays from going to the playoffs with a 10-6 or even 11-5 record. People forget when we played good football we beat Bengals,Colts, Pats, SD and almost beat the Pats (bad reffing) and Panthers (Horrible defensive stand!).
 
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So you're not defending Ireland except when you are defending Ireland?

Alright.
 
Ireland should have signed Mckinnie in the preseason. He's had time to fix things, time to move on from him.

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I have a similar stance as you. People also complain about our rookies not getting any playing time.. Well thats because our 2 Cbs were behind a Pro Bowler in Grimes. A potential Pro Bowler in Patterson.. And a 5th round pick in Carroll who stepped up big time and had a good season. Also 7th pick Wilson played very well as a nickle for us. So there really wasnt a spot for Taylor and Davis to play as rookies. They will develop hopefully and make a bigger impact next season.

Dion Jordan was brought here to play DE. Oliver Vernon (another Ireland pick) Was playing great all season.

I agree with the LIne. He tried to bring back Long , but he went else where. Had to go in with Martin. Pouncy was a stud, Incog was a pro bowler. Clabo was a pro bowler. Board was 50-50 split on Martin starting. Many people wanted him too. He was a good pick when he was drafted because he was slated as a first rounder like you said.

Offense would have been much better if we had Keller. He would have made a huge difference. Losing Gibson early hurt too. ANd Tannehill not being able to connect with Wallace easily left a minimum of 4 tds off the board. Not Irelands fault.

Philbin didnt want a FB when we definitely could have used one this year. He wanted to get quicker @ the linebacker position, which we did and it hurt us... I think its too easy to place the blame on the GM. Which is what everyone is doing.

Now if Ireland gets fired will i be in outrage? No.. THere are other Gms out there... but i think he should be given another year seeing how he put together a playoff team, which the players and coaches choked at the end of the season against our 2 worst division rivals.
 
VCU2000 said:
Ireland should have signed Mckinnie in the preseason. He's had time to fix things, time to move on from him.

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I am sure he was not a FA. Why would we have signed him if we had Martin at LT and Clabo (probowler, rated highly) at RT?
 
Dthrill_08 said:
I am sure he was not a FA. Why would we have signed him if we had Martin at LT and Clabo (probowler, rated highly) at RT?
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Because those players are awful.

And McKinnie was a free agent.
 
Egnew the GOAT said:
I have a similar stance as you. People also complain about our rookies not getting any playing time.. Well thats because our 2 Cbs were behind a Pro Bowler in Grimes. A potential Pro Bowler in Patterson.. And a 5th round pick in Carroll who stepped up big time and had a good season. Also 7th pick Wilson played very well as a nickle for us. So there really wasnt a spot for Taylor and Davis to play as rookies. They will develop hopefully and make a bigger impact next season.

Dion Jordan was brought here to play DE. Oliver Vernon (another Ireland pick) Was playing great all season.

I agree with the LIne. He tried to bring back Long , but he went else where. Had to go in with Martin. Pouncy was a stud, Incog was a pro bowler. Clabo was a pro bowler. Board was 50-50 split on Martin starting. Many people wanted him too. He was a good pick when he was drafted because he was slated as a first rounder like you said.

Offense would have been much better if we had Keller. He would have made a huge difference. Losing Gibson early hurt too. ANd Tannehill not being able to connect with Wallace easily left a minimum of 4 tds off the board. Not Irelands fault.

Philbin didnt want a FB when we definitely could have used one this year. He wanted to get quicker @ the linebacker position, which we did and it hurt us... I think its too easy to place the blame on the GM. Which is what everyone is doing.

Now if Ireland gets fired will i be in outrage? No.. THere are other Gms out there... but i think he should be given another year seeing how he put together a playoff team, which the players and coaches choked at the end of the season against our 2 worst division rivals.
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Well said man. People need to stop following opinions of others and think for themselves. Like you said Vernon (Ireland pick) was playing at a Prowbowler level. What do you do sit him for a rookie with a bum shoulder? Our rookie DB also sat behind strong play from Patterson and Caroll later on.
 
I'll list some blame points -

- multiple years to construct an OL and we don't even have a "serviceable' one
- a very weak yet expensive LB corps
- his drafting / handling of the RB position
- he drafts positions / players too high - Daniel Thomas, Dallas Thomas, Egnew, and I could go on
- extreme focus and I'd assume resource allocation on finding "acorns" instead of having a firm grasp on who presents quality in round 1 - 5.
 
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We shouldn't have been having to draft an OL in the first place. He should have resolved the issue with FA's or a trade before we even got to the draft!
 
GreenMts said:
I'll list some blame points -

- multiple years to construct an OL and we don't even have a "serviceable' one
- a very weak yet expense LB corps
- his drafting / handling of the RB position
- he drafts positions / players too high - Daniel Thomas, Dallas Thomas, Egnew, and I could go on
- extreme focus and I'd assume resource allocation on finding "acorns" instead of having a firm grasp on who presents quality in round 1 - 5.
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He got us Pouncey, tried to resign Long, Clabo (although sucked), Martin (BPA that year draft), etc. So he has tried to fix this. Tell me which NFL team has all Probowler on the OL?

Ellerbie was very welcomed when signed. Everyone liked that signing. Wheeler I understand but they are cheaper than Dansby and Burnette

Who knows if Phiblin and Sherman preferred Miller and Thomas.

Egnew was a Philbin pick according to most. He also drafted Pouncey, Vernon, Clay ,Jones, Matthews, etc. So his list of Drafts that are good are just as impressive

Dion Jordan was a good pickup, Tannehill and Pouncey as well.
 
Dthrill_08 said:
He got us Pouncey, tried to resign Long, Clabo (although sucked), Martin (BPA that year draft), etc. So he has tried to fix this. Tell me which NFL team has all Probowler on the OL?
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And failed. So now he should be fired for that failure.
 
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