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Is the 4yrs or less coach time frame stopping our franchise from ever healing? If you think about getting players in place the way you want and things like developing qbs, contracts expiring, and then of course injuries. I know everyone wants quick results , but is it realistic for a team that has a lot of holes? It seems to me as though the teams that are consistently decent each season have had the same coach for a while Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New England, New Orleans,Kansas City,Seattle,Carolina,Baltimore etc. and the teams that change more frequently are less consistent.
 
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  1. Bill Belichick (New England Patriots): January 27, 2000
  2. Marvin Lewis (Cincinnati Bengals): January 14, 2003
  3. Mike McCarthy (Green Bay Packers): January 12, 2006
  4. Sean Payton (New Orleans Saints): January 18, 2006
  5. Mike Tomlin (Pittsburgh Steelers): January 22, 2007
  6. John Harbaugh (Baltimore Ravens): January 19, 2008
  7. Pete Carroll (Seattle Seahawks): January 9, 2010
  8. Jason Garrett (Dallas Cowboys): November 8, 2010 (interim; permanent since January 2011)
  9. Ron Rivera (Carolina Panthers): January 11, 2011
  10. Jeff Fisher (Los Angeles Rams): January 13, 2012
  11. Chuck Pagano (Indianapolis Colts): January 25, 2012
  12. Andy Reid (Kansas City Chiefs): January 4, 2013
  13. Mike McCoy (San Diego Chargers): January 15, 2013
  14. Bruce Arians (Arizona Cardinals): January 17, 2013
  15. Gus Bradley (Jacksonville Jaguars): January 17, 2013
  16. Bill O’Brien (Houston Texans): January 2, 2014
  17. Jay Gruden (Washington): January 9, 2014
  18. Jim Caldwell (Detroit Lions): January 14, 2014
  19. Mike Zimmer (Minnesota Vikings): January 15, 2014
  20. Rex Ryan (Buffalo Bills): January 12, 2015
  21. Todd Bowles (New York Jets): January 14, 2015
  22. Jack Del Rio (Oakland Raiders): January 15, 2015
  23. John Fox (Chicago Bears): January 16, 2015
  24. Gary Kubiak (Denver Broncos): January 19, 2015
  25. Dan Quinn (Atlanta Falcons): February 2, 2015
  26. Mike Mularkey (Tennessee Titans): November 3, 2015 (interim; permanent since January 2016)
  27. Adam Gase (Miami Dolphins): January 9, 2016
  28. Hue Jackson (Cleveland Browns): January 13, 2016
  29. Chip Kelly (San Francisco 49ers): January 14, 2016
  30. Dirk Koetter (Tampa Bay Buccaneers): January 15, 2016
  31. Ben McAdoo (New York Giants): January 15, 2016
  32. Doug Pederson (Philadelphia Eagles): January 18, 2016
Here is a tenure list from 2016 it seems like better teams stick with coaches longer. Tom Coughlin is another with the NYG Giants that isn"t listed.We create a lot of threads about talent, and draft picks but maybe the real culprit is time? Thoughts?
 
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Been making this argument for a while, changing coaches after a couple of years is counter productive and leads a team nowhere fast. The Miami Dolphins rich in history, had Shula for years, a steady coach that was not consistently looking over his shoulder worrying about job security....and what was the result of this approach one of the winningest coaches of all time and a franchise that was consistently in the playoffs year after year. (Dan Marino helped of course) Fast forward today and we have gone through coaches faster than any time in the history of this franchise.......hence the results speak for themselves. It's fascinating to me to see the calls for Gase to be replaced or to give him one more year.......you have to be kidding me. Gase needs 5 years to change the culture and bring in his players to build the team in his image for future success. We have a long way to go, and the HC is the least of our problems.
 
This is the reason that I would be fine with giving Gase the keys and give him the time to build something special. We've been playing the coaching carousel for years now (22 years since Shula retired). Gase has shown more than previous coaches and I would hate to see him go to another team and succeed. I wouldn't have wanted this with the likes of Philbin and Sparrano, but Gase was a top coaching option when we got him and I think given the time, he could build something special. If that means he trades Tannehill and drafts a younger guy, so be it. I'd like to win consistently and not just make the playoffs and be a one and done.
 
First off Kubiak isn't in Denver anymore...he retired due to health issues.

There is some truth to what you're saying. Gase, IMO, looks to be head and shoulders better than the coaches we've had since Jimmy Johnson. I think you can look to the coaches who were here since Jimmy and see that they were bad coaches and it wasn't just the front office not getting the players. Wannstedt coached at the University of Pittsburgh and couldn't win there. Saban failed here mainly due to personnel decisions but he's a college coach and he should stay in college (he is a failure as a human though). Cam Cameron....I'm still not sure how he was able to have success in San Diego to be honest. Couldn't even cut it as an OC in college. Sparano has been a mediocre O-line coach since he left here. Philbin has been less than mediocre as an O-line coach since he left here.

From what I've seen of Gase there's a lot more game planning, changes week-to-week and creativity offensively (especially after we traded Ajayi) than the previous coaches. Now most of that has been on the offensive side of the ball and I do wonder how involved he is with the defense and I hope, should a veteran DC come available, that he considers making a change on that side of the ball. Talent is still an issue and unfortunately I don't see him getting much help from this front office on that front.
 
finmann said:
Been making this argument for a while, changing coaches after a couple of years is counter productive and leads a team nowhere fast. The Miami Dolphins rich in history, had Shula for years, a steady coach that was not consistently looking over his shoulder worrying about job security....and what was the result of this approach one of the winningest coaches of all time and a franchise that was consistently in the playoffs year after year. (Dan Marino helped of course) Fast forward today and we have gone through coaches faster than any time in the history of this franchise.......hence the results speak for themselves. It's fascinating to me to see the calls for Gase to be replaced or to give him one more year.......you have to be kidding me. Gase needs 5 years to change the culture and bring in his players to build the team in his image for future success. We have a long way to go, and the HC is the least of our problems.
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Shula was successful immediately in Miami, though, and he sustained that through most of his career. That's incredibly rare in ANY sport.

One of the thing that's caused this quick coach turnover is free agency. It's too easy to build a good team...or a bad team...in a short period of time, so coaches aren't given the time they used to to do it anymore. That being said, without a good front office, it doesn't matter WHO your coach is. Remember Bellichick when he was at Cleveland?
 
datruth55 said:
Saban failed here mainly due to personnel decisions but he's a college coach and he should stay in college (he is a failure as a human though).
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While I can't stand Satan, I DO still think he's the best coach we've had since JJ. He always seemed to have one-foot-out-the-door. THAT was his problem. HE's the kind of coach who would have been successful given time...but he didn't want to be here, do that's what sunk him.
 
The current owner of this franchise went through a lot of painful lessons in learning how to be an owner and running a professional sports franchise. Going through the celebrity minority owners list shows just how he viewed the team early on - entertainment. But I think he has grown a lot as an owner and is just now starting to get the respect around the league to attract some of the professionals that are needed to take this team from mediocrity to successful. Hopefully the current trajectory continues and the team figures out how to evaluate talent, sign players to reasonable contracts and allow the football professionals to run the operations so Ross can focus on the entertainment side of things. I think that his willingness to pay for the renovations to the stadium and not hold a gun to the taxpayers' heads shows that he is getting serious about the team. Once the bad contracts are off the books and the team has a couple of successful drafts, we will be able to see if they are for real. Rotating GM's and head coaches like greeters at WalMart is not the tact that will bring the team back to relevance. My biggest hope is that Gase stops being so stubborn and either gives up the play calling and micro-managing the offense or he brings in some assistants/coordinators that he trusts to groom the players to succeed in the system. He has also hopefully learned a lot in his first two seasons as a head coach and the upcoming off season will hopefully be the most productive yet in improving not only himself but the level of knowledge and talent of the staff around him.
 
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OR... could it possibly be that the good teams have had a HC for longer because they, you know... actually found a good HC???
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How could you just know if one is good without time?
 
Yawn! Same nonsense posted for the millionth time.

I await your logical and reasoned explanation for why Sparano should have been retained after 2012 and why Philbin shouldn’t have been fired after 2015.
 
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