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Note on Parcells' receivers

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There's a kind of legend out there that Parcells likes big huge receivers, guys who dwarf cornerbacks and cast long shadows deep into the end zone. It was something I thought I could rely on to predict who Parcells might take in the 2008 draft. But when I went back and looked at his draft history, I found something a little unusual--under Bill Parcells, the average height of a wide receiver drafted in Dallas and New York was six foot even. Furthermore, that number was greatly skewed by late round picks who barely made the roster. Factor in that Parcells is notoriously hands-off with the draft during the second day, and the prototypical Parcells receiver turns out to be under six feet tall.

Cowboys:
2006 Skyler Green. Skyler Green was all of 5'9. A return specialist, he was taken in the third round, so it wasn't like a second day throwaway pick.
2004 Patrick Crayton. A seventh round pick, Patrick Crayton was 6 foot even. Short by NFL receiver standards.
2003 Zuriel Smith. 5-11 in the sixth round.
2002 Antonio Bryant. 6-2. 6-2 is decent size, but it's hardly a giant receiver.
2002 Deveren Johnson. 6-6. Finally, a "prototypical Parcells receiver." Chosen six years ago in the seventh round, where Parcells generally lets the scouts make the decisions.

With the Jets

2000: Lavurneus Coles: 5-11. It wasn't height that drew Parcells to Coles, it was raw speed.
2000: Windrell Hayes: 5-11. Incidentally, Hayes is currently enlisted with the US Army. I was a little surprised to see that. Hoo-ah, Windrell Hayes.
1998: Chris Brazzel. 6-3, according to Winnipeg. He was picked in the sixth round.
1997: Dedric Ward. 5-9. This was a guy I considered synonymous with Bill Parcells back in the 90's. I thought he was around 6 foot or so.

(Are my dates off? I thought Parcells was head coach during the 2002 draft. Oh well, if he wasn't it just makes the point more salient.)

So where did the legend of the giant receiver come from? Maybe it was earlier in his career with the Giants. I didn't go back quite that far. Maybe he kept inheriting guys like Keyshaun Johnson and Terrell Owens. What I suspect is that people extrapolated this receiver theory from the stone cold fact that Parcells has a definite size requirement for his front seven defensive players and quarterbacks. And Parcells isn't exactly chummy with the media, even when he was the media, so he didn't have any reason to correct them. In fact, it probably helped him that it was "well-known" that he preferred large wide receivers.

So when running those mock drafts, don't count out guys like Eddie Royal or Desean Jackson. If anything, size isn't the measure by which Parcells chooses receivers at all--it's speed.
 
the WR i like the most in the draft that we might be able to have is James Hardy (#32) or Jordy Nelson (3rd or 4th) Adrian Arrington (6th)
 
There's a kind of legend out there that Parcells likes big huge receivers, guys who dwarf cornerbacks and cast long shadows deep into the end zone. It was something I thought I could rely on to predict who Parcells might take in the 2008 draft. But when I went back and looked at his draft history, I found something a little unusual--under Bill Parcells, the average height of a wide receiver drafted in Dallas and New York was six foot even. Furthermore, that number was greatly skewed by late round picks who barely made the roster. Factor in that Parcells is notoriously hands-off with the draft during the second day, and the prototypical Parcells receiver turns out to be under six feet tall.

Cowboys:
2006 Skyler Green. Skyler Green was all of 5'9. A return specialist, he was taken in the third round, so it wasn't like a second day throwaway pick.
2004 Patrick Crayton. A seventh round pick, Patrick Crayton was 6 foot even. Short by NFL receiver standards.
2003 Zuriel Smith. 5-11 in the sixth round.
2002 Antonio Bryant. 6-2. 6-2 is decent size, but it's hardly a giant receiver.
2002 Deveren Johnson. 6-6. Finally, a "prototypical Parcells receiver." Chosen six years ago in the seventh round, where Parcells generally lets the scouts make the decisions.

With the Jets

2000: Lavurneus Coles: 5-11. It wasn't height that drew Parcells to Coles, it was raw speed.
2000: Windrell Hayes: 5-11. Incidentally, Hayes is currently enlisted with the US Army. I was a little surprised to see that. Hoo-ah, Windrell Hayes.
1998: Chris Brazzel. 6-3, according to Winnipeg. He was picked in the sixth round.
1997: Dedric Ward. 5-9. This was a guy I considered synonymous with Bill Parcells back in the 90's. I thought he was around 6 foot or so.

(Are my dates off? I thought Parcells was head coach during the 2002 draft. Oh well, if he wasn't it just makes the point more salient.)

So where did the legend of the giant receiver come from? Maybe it was earlier in his career with the Giants. I didn't go back quite that far. Maybe he kept inheriting guys like Keyshaun Johnson and Terrell Owens. What I suspect is that people extrapolated this receiver theory from the stone cold fact that Parcells has a definite size requirement for his front seven defensive players and quarterbacks. And Parcells isn't exactly chummy with the media, even when he was the media, so he didn't have any reason to correct them. In fact, it probably helped him that it was "well-known" that he preferred large wide receivers.

So when running those mock drafts, don't count out guys like Eddie Royal or Desean Jackson. If anything, size isn't the measure by which Parcells chooses receivers at all--it's speed.

umm are u serious with this post or no? you are my boy after reading the last few days on here (and I already stated that) so I am trying to give you a chance of saying my mistake.
 
umm are u serious with this post or no? you are my boy after reading the last few days on here (and I already stated that) so I am trying to give you a chance of saying my mistake.

What am I mistaken about?
 
Well, make the case then.

Actually I am going to bed and if no one has given an intelligent post to what you just posted I will later. Inherited Terrell Owens. hahahahaha. (goodbye your picks after Owens got to the cowboys because that will tell you the next need they were trying to fill in the draft that was irrelevant to a #1 receiver). What started Parcells leaving NE after he was overruled on a certain draft pick? Who did the jets have that may have influenced what receiver they drafted for a very important piece of the puzzle? Who taught Parcells his new offensive theory? After he left New England, give me the size of his #1 receivers and where they came from.. Welcome to the tip of the ice berg.
 
Keep in mind that I'm not saying that he dislikes or doesn't want larger receivers. What I'm saying is that his size requirements for receivers aren't as stringent as they at other positions. Up to this point, I've been assuming that the 'phins weren't going to be considering guys like Earl Bennett or Donnie Avery because they didn't meet the minimum height. Most every draftnik and Miami beat writer mentions size whenever they talk about Parcells and wide receivers, and assume that it's going to limit him to a handful of players in this draft. I felt like the history shows that this is decidedly not the case.
 
That's not a good list and Parcells wasn't running our 2000 draft so he doesn't get credit for Coles.
 
Keep in mind that I'm not saying that he dislikes or doesn't want larger receivers. What I'm saying is that his size requirements for receivers aren't as stringent as they at other positions. Up to this point, I've been assuming that the 'phins weren't going to be considering guys like Earl Bennett or Donnie Avery because they didn't meet the minimum height. Most every draftnik and Miami beat writer mentions size whenever they talk about Parcells and wide receivers, and assume that it's going to limit him to a handful of players in this draft. I felt like the history shows that this is decidedly not the case.

I was partially messing with you last night (hazing) so don't take it personal. You bring good things to the boards and I respect that. I kid cause I care.
As for Parcells though Johnson really did teach him that a #1 needs to be big. He also knows he needs someone that can stretch the field. We have that in Ginn that is why he won't be looking for that size WR. Ginn will be a #2 in our system. However at the moment he may stay as a #1 until they can find a big game changing WR. He doesn't like all big receivers by any means but after seeing what a big WR can do when he met Keyshawn, he made that type of WR his #1 receiver. I should write a thread on this because it gets argued about all the time.
 
Im kinda surprised Bill didnt try to get Patrick Crayton in a trade with Dallas. He drafted him and he is a decent WR. If TO and Witten werent getting everything thrown to them Fasano and Crayton could have been better. Crayton would be good here beside Ginn, Wilford , and Fasano
 
Im kinda surprised Bill didnt try to get Patrick Crayton in a trade with Dallas. He drafted him and he is a decent WR. If TO and Witten werent getting everything thrown to them Fasano and Crayton could have been better. Crayton would be good here beside Ginn, Wilford , and Fasano

He just signed a new contract with them in the middle of last season.
 
I was partially messing with you last night (hazing) so don't take it personal. You bring good things to the boards and I respect that. I kid cause I care.

No worries. I don't take the Internet personally. And I was in serious mode last night.

I look at the big receivers in this draft, and outside of James Hardy I just don't like any of them. Adrian Arrington is alright. Maybe Marcus Monk deep in day two. But if you go by pure size, you don't draft receivers before the seventh round. Take that requirement away, and you've got a few more options.
 
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