...because you can't name 20 QB's better in the history of the game than Peyton Manning. You can't even name five.
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TheDon74
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No way he names 20 but I can see him getting to 5 pretty easy.
No way. This love affair with the past has gone too far. Montana, Bradshaw, Namath...those guys wouldn't cut it in today's NFL. The athletes today are bigger, better, stronger, and most importantly, they're smarter. They're more conditioned and better coached.
Yeah, I said it...they're better coached in today's NFL.
When it's all said and done, Peyton Manning is at the top of the list. Brady is up there. Montana, as great a QB as he was, played for one of the best coaches on one of the best teams in the history of the league. You take Joe Montana off of those teams and you still have Lott, Rice, Craig, etc.
Tony Dungy has long been a criticized coach in the NFL. He was ran out of town in Tampa. Without Peyton, that's a five win football team at best. The Colts have never been the decided favorite in the NFL like the 49ers were.
There is NO WAY anyone names 20 NFL QB's better than Peyton Manning and you'll struggle to name 5.
cafinfan408
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I agree try to name 5.
Think of what Manning does for his team.
Look at how many games they win year in and year out and you can not tell me that talent level on the team is anything but avg.
Think of what Manning does for his team.
Look at how many games they win year in and year out and you can not tell me that talent level on the team is anything but avg.
I posted my top 20 already and I said peyton was around top 20. When I made my list he was 18th. This isn't all in order but keep in mind I evaluate QBs on more than just individual #s, a guy like peyton would be top 2-3 when it comes to #s and what he does in the reg season but I weigh big games and postseason performances heavier than the reg season and that is where peyton flops.
Montana
Unitas
Graham
Marino
Brady
Griese
Bradshaw
Elway
Dawson
Favre
Staubach
Baugh
Tarkenton
Starr
Layne
Van Brocklin
Aikman
Montana didn't play that long ago and at the end of his career led KC to the AFC Title Game in 1993- KC hasn't won a playoff game since.
Have you noticed how big Drew Brees is? To say Montana, Namath and Bradshaw couldn't play today is silly.
you take Joe Montana off those teams and put in Steve Young(the 90s version of peyton- big reg season #s, shrivels in January) and SF wins 1 title in a decade.
Tony Dungy made a conf title game WITHOUT Peyton when he was in TB. Has Peyton ever made a conf title game w/o dungy? has Belichick ever made a conf title game w/o Brady?
I struggled to name 20 which is why I put him 18th but it was easy as could be to name 5. I am not mesmerized by great fantasy #s when guys can't get it done in January especially when peyton has had all the tools to succeed in january whereas a guy like marino didn't have all the tools.
Yep and then look and see how many games he loses for Indy in postseason. The difference btw NE and Indy this decade has been at the QB position in January.
3Ply Stagliano
What a schmuck!
Did you mean 'Has Peyton ever made a conf title game w/o Dungy'? Evidently he has done the former but not the latter.
Goooooooooooooood Lord you have Troy Aikman above Manning lol. C'mon man. And first of all, eff some fantasy football. That's **** is for the nerds. And those fantasy nerds are the guys here defending Ted Ginn and his 11 catches for 108 yards or whatever he had. Catch the ball when it matters.
Tony Dungy made a title game without Peyton because he had one of the best defenses of all-time. He had Brad Johnson then. Similar situation with the Ravens and their premier defense. Trent Dilfer was the QB.
There is no way Montana, Bradshaw, etc., play at the level today as they did then. It's just the way it is. That's true for any sport. Babe Ruth would get destroyed in today's MLB. Things change so much. Diet and exercise matter so much more today. Conditioning. Terry Bradshaw wasn't conditioned lol. He was just a great football player. Manning is a machine. What that guy does is incredible. I can't remember a team that relied so much on one person. Without Manning, the Colts probably win three football games.
Tony Dungy made a title game without Peyton because he had one of the best defenses of all-time. He had Brad Johnson then. Similar situation with the Ravens and their premier defense. Trent Dilfer was the QB.
There is no way Montana, Bradshaw, etc., play at the level today as they did then. It's just the way it is. That's true for any sport. Babe Ruth would get destroyed in today's MLB. Things change so much. Diet and exercise matter so much more today. Conditioning. Terry Bradshaw wasn't conditioned lol. He was just a great football player. Manning is a machine. What that guy does is incredible. I can't remember a team that relied so much on one person. Without Manning, the Colts probably win three football games.
I'd absolutely take Aikman over manning if I wanted to win, if I was playing for a fantasy Championship then Peyton gets the nod.
It doesn't matter how tony dungy made the title game w/o Manning, he made it and he helped resurrect an awful TB franchise.
It's not fair to say guys from the past can't play today. We compare players vs. the competition they played in their era. let's also not forget that the rules are skewed for the offenses today so the #s are much better. Peyton would not put up #s anywhere near he has now if he played 20-30 years ago.
Manning is a REGULAR SEASON machine. He folds when it matters most, I want my QB to step up when it matters most not shrivel.
Didn't Manning and the Colts win a Super Bowl? As far as Aikman and the Cowboys are concerned, I'd take Michael Irvin over anyone from that team hands down. Manning picks defenses apart because he has the best head in the game. Aikman leaned on Irvin and Emmitt a lot; and for good reason. You can't fault the guy for that.
And it's absolutely fair to say that players then couldn't play now. People need to go on with this old school love affair. Yeah, it was a great time then but the level of athleticism and skill in today's game is absolutely unmatched. Terry Bradshaw could start today for the Dolphins lol....but no way does he step in front of Petyton Manning or hell even Mark Sanchez for that matter.
And it's absolutely fair to say that players then couldn't play now. People need to go on with this old school love affair. Yeah, it was a great time then but the level of athleticism and skill in today's game is absolutely unmatched. Terry Bradshaw could start today for the Dolphins lol....but no way does he step in front of Petyton Manning or hell even Mark Sanchez for that matter.
He did in a postseason where he had one good half. he has also had a team capable of reaching 3-4 SBs and he has just ONE SB app.
Peyton has had weapons comparable to what Aikman had and Troy didn't choke every January like peyton has. He wasn't carried along for a ride for any of their SB wins unlike Peyton in 2006.
Who cares if older players cannot play today? We judge players aginst the players they played against and a guy like Joe Montana was much better against his competition than peyton Manning has been against his when it matters most.
AGAIN, the rules are skewed in favor of the offenses now as well AND Peyton has played more than half his games in a dome w/ incredible talent to throw the football too- does that not count for anything?
TheDon74
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Somehow I totally disagree with both of you.
JCane- Your out of your mind if you don't think the greats of the past wouldn't be able to start today. They wouldn't be the elite QB's they were then but most of them would still be very productive in todays NFL. "Babe Ruth would get destroyed today"???? Are you insane? Hitting a baseball is the same now as it was then nothings changed. As far as conditioning, tell that to Prince Fielder who somehow seems to be one of the best even with all that fat. As far as you knocking Dungy whats that all about, do you remember what the Bucs were before he got there? And your telling me the Colts didn't get much better when he replaced Jim Mora...really? Don't get me wrong Manning is a great QB and an obvious 1st ballot HOFer but to crown him the best ever or even the best of this generation is a stretch. If he had ANY ability to run at all you may have a point. He goes into that Marino greatest pocket passer argument because of this fact.
nyjunc- I'll make yours short and sweet. I just think some of the guys you put ahead of him are silly. Griese, Dawson, Baugh, Layne, Van Brocklin come on man. These are all great QB's but please. There are others on your list I wouldn't put ahead of Manning but these are the ones that are just mind boggling bad choices.
JCane- Your out of your mind if you don't think the greats of the past wouldn't be able to start today. They wouldn't be the elite QB's they were then but most of them would still be very productive in todays NFL. "Babe Ruth would get destroyed today"???? Are you insane? Hitting a baseball is the same now as it was then nothings changed. As far as conditioning, tell that to Prince Fielder who somehow seems to be one of the best even with all that fat. As far as you knocking Dungy whats that all about, do you remember what the Bucs were before he got there? And your telling me the Colts didn't get much better when he replaced Jim Mora...really? Don't get me wrong Manning is a great QB and an obvious 1st ballot HOFer but to crown him the best ever or even the best of this generation is a stretch. If he had ANY ability to run at all you may have a point. He goes into that Marino greatest pocket passer argument because of this fact.
nyjunc- I'll make yours short and sweet. I just think some of the guys you put ahead of him are silly. Griese, Dawson, Baugh, Layne, Van Brocklin come on man. These are all great QB's but please. There are others on your list I wouldn't put ahead of Manning but these are the ones that are just mind boggling bad choices.
Make a case for Manning over those guys. I'm not just talking meaningless reg season fantasy #s. if you had to win a big game in January you'd take manning over those other QBs? he's had the best talent in the game to work w/ yet in playoff losses he has led his high powered O's to an astounding 13.6 PPG.