O-line Coaching Question

[spiketex]

Is Benton seen as a significant upgrade on Jim Turner to coach the O-line? I understand that it will be a ZBS, but is it expected to be exactly the same or are there nuances depending on the skills of the personnel available? Benton has had a lot more NFL experience than Turner had, does he have a reputation of developing talent?
Ireland's consistent biggest failure was the O-line. Year after year he threw big $ to free agents and used lots of draft picks, but the only player to show for it on the current roster is Pouncey.

 

[Fin Thirteen]

It will be a significant upgrade in the sense that there will be some actual O-line coaching under Benton.

 

[KPDolfan24]

My face is a significant upgrade bro.


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[Hayden Fox]

I always questioned if Turner was qualified in the first place.

 

[ANUFan]

Hell, based on what LT Mckinne observed during games and then pointed out to the clueless coaching stuff? I have no doubt a more competent coaching stuff could have reduce the sack last year by at least 10-15!

 

[Austin Tatious]

Under Turner, you had guys play better before and/or after they were coached by him. See Long; Clabo. You had young guys who didn't develop fast enough or good enough. See Thomas; Martin; Jerry. You had missed assignments left and right. How many free blitzers did we have to suffer watching while all the linemen stood there and blamed everyone else? Hallmark of bad coaching because they didn't have a well developed or well taught plan. You had disarray in their unit that was somehow allowed to go on. The guy was terrible. It was under publicized but we later found out he was a relative of Sherman's (I believe bro-in-law). So a professional football coach with no experience gets a job because he's a deadbeat relative of the offensive coordinator. This is what you get in a system where nepotism flourishes. And we should not be surprised that basically nothing went right with the o line. Good riddance to that buffoon.

As for Benton, the Houston people speak highly of him. His o lines performed well. He took some marginal players and had them playing well. He developed young talent. Their lines played cohesively and as a unit. He has many years of experience. I note he is helping with scouting. Presumably he knows what he is looking for in a young player.

 

[Zounds]

The fact that the team is sending Benton to scout linemen by himself tells me they have a lot of faith in him.

 

[HoneyB]

I think Benton was a real sleeper move, and it's going to pay dividends for a long time. It was obvious nobody was executing the scheme properly. Turner has zero NFL experience.

 

[HoneyB]

The guy was terrible. It was under publicized but we later found out he was a relative of Sherman's (I believe bro-in-law). So a professional football coach with no experience gets a job because he's a deadbeat relative of the offensive coordinator. This is what you get in a system where nepotism flourishes. And we should not be surprised that basically nothing went right with the o line.

I thought the QB coach was the relative. But even if he's not related, it's a form of nepotism to hire people over and over because of loyalty and familiarity and not necessarily talent. Parcells did that with Sparano. Philbin likes loyalty and familiarity, and if you notice when he's asked what he likes about a person he often will say that person knows when to "shut their mouth." (He said this in reference to Turner, as well). I initially though Turner was just a Sherman guy, but Turner worked under Philbin at Northeastern. So he was an employee of both of them at some point. So when Philbin becomes head coach, instead of mining the Packers staff like we thought he would, he went slumming for a guy from college who wasn't promoted even after doing this job (O line coach) for 20 years.

 

[ChambersWI]

Benton has over 10 years in the NFL and has been one of the better OL coaches in the league while in Houston. I think Turner had some good qualities with certain players (he did somewhat salvage John Jerry last year) but I think it was a mixture of him not being ready for the NFL (yeah he had some good players on the OL at A&M but before we hired him he was going to Texas Tech ) and him trying to be "one of the boys" rather than the boss.

At the same time, we did have a lot of square pegs in round holes. The blocking scheme we run requires more athleticism and we didn't have that

 

[spiketex]

I thought the QB coach was the relative. But even if he's not related, it's a form of nepotism to hire people over and over because of loyalty and familiarity and not necessarily talent. Parcells did that with Sparano. Philbin likes loyalty and familiarity, and if you notice when he's asked what he likes about a person he often will say that person knows when to "shut their mouth." (He said this in reference to Turner, as well). I initially though Turner was just a Sherman guy, but Turner worked under Philbin at Northeastern. So he was an employee of both of them at some point. So when Philbin becomes head coach, instead of mining the Packers staff like we thought he would, he went slumming for a guy from college who wasn't promoted even after doing this job (O line coach) for 20 years.

Both of them are related. Zach Taylor is Mike's son in law. It will be interesting to see how Taylor performs reporting to Lazor.

 

[Fin Thirteen]

Now we just need to get Ken O'Keefe out and we can have a decent NFL-standard coaching staff.

 

[Austin Tatious]

I thought the QB coach was the relative. But even if he's not related, it's a form of nepotism to hire people over and over because of loyalty and familiarity and not necessarily talent. Parcells did that with Sparano. Philbin likes loyalty and familiarity, and if you notice when he's asked what he likes about a person he often will say that person knows when to "shut their mouth." (He said this in reference to Turner, as well). I initially though Turner was just a Sherman guy, but Turner worked under Philbin at Northeastern. So he was an employee of both of them at some point. So when Philbin becomes head coach, instead of mining the Packers staff like we thought he would, he went slumming for a guy from college who wasn't promoted even after doing this job (O line coach) for 20 years.

Good catch. I didn't realize that.

 

[HoneyB]

Both of them are related.

Oh Lawd.....

Oh well, one of them is gone.

 

[jvw]

When Turner would fine players for questioning who messed up on a play was all I needed to know that he sucked, especially after the way that unit performed in 2013.....How does a guy learn that it was his responsibility to pick up said lineman if he can't question the results?