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I love the Porter signing and I'm not too upset about Mcmichael because he never reached his full potential and we needed the space for guys like Porter. I think that our defense is in very good shape and if we stay healthy next year we should be in the top 5 overall again. We have a very good combination of savvy vets and exciting young players with potential so I like what I see.
That being said, no one seems to be discussing the fact that our offensive line is in complete shambles. I understand the fact that our o-line play was flat out abismal at times last season, but the 2nd half play of our o-line compared to the 1st half of the season was like night and day. With Mcintosh at LT, James at LG, Hadnot at C, Shelton at RG and Carey at RT we were far from perfect but they looked competent and they had some games when they were pretty dominant. (Bears, Patriots)
Now this season wer'e starting all over again on the left side of the line by cutting James and Mcintosh. I understand that these guys weren't superstars and they may not have even been long term answers but the key to a dominant o line is continuity, and we have had none of that over the past 5-6 years. So what now? Are we all seriously penciling in Alabi at LT and (who the hell is our LG right now???) and feeling confident about it? Let's be serious. I really hope that I am wrong, and Cameron with Houck can pull a rabbit out of their hat and get some consistent play going. But if we go through the same offensive line HORRORS that we went through in the first half of last season it will be another very slow start and another mediocre season. Our defense can only do so much with our offense doing nothing but going in the wrong direction...
Here's to hoping that the o-line gels quickly!.. Whoever may be playing...
 
Cam sAid it all starts with the Oline that being said, look for Levi Brown in the 1st and a center in the 3rd or 4th. Come on DAN MOZES!

If we can sign that RG from the falcons we should be in decent shape

In Houck we trust ! :dolphins:
 
We trade down from the #9 and draft a secondary player in the 1st round.
Houston,Ross, GRIFFIN,Hall,Nelson,Reevis.

Then we have 3 second round picks to draft: LT's Staley,Ugoh,Free,Marten,Yanda

Or OG's Blaylock,Grubbs,Sears,Ramirez

Or C's Khalil,Satele,or Datish

Actually, Free,Ramirez and Datish should all be available in the 3rd with the # 71 pick. So we could draft a WR or RB in the 2nd and still fill up the OL with talent before the 4th round begins.

Then we could also draft Gabe Hall OT in the 7th and FB Jesse Allen to the practice squad to backup the SLEDGE.
 
we only desire flashy players in the first round, cant be drafting any linemen in the first because you could end up with a guy like Carey........


oh wait, the dude is pretty good. scratch that. well, the notion is that you can always get good linemen in the fourth fifth and sixth rounds. You know, the theory of Jimmy Johnson. Anyways, we should look more towards guys who have only recently moved into the position of LT like Joe Staley and just forget about guys like Levi Brown who have played the position for four years against high competition and is a leader.

We should forget about drafting Oline and get the flahsy WR who is injured from time to time because those are the guys we can put up flashy signatures of the guy in a Miami uni. That is what will get us to the Super Bowl!
 
The problem is that rookie o-lineman usually suck. The Chargers got lucky this year and hit the jackpot with Marcus Mcneil at LT, but that is the exception, not the rule. I'm personally not sold at all on Levi Brown, I feel like he's more of a run blocker and he has trouble pass protecting against speed rushers. He may possess a nasty streak and leadership skills but when you use the #9 overall pick on a LT, you better make sure that he's got some quick feet. I'd probably prefer a guy like Staley or Ugoh or even the tackle from Notre Dame (name escapes me) because they seem to be more athletic and more adept in pass blocking. I haven't exactly studied lots of game film of all of these guys but it doesn't seem smart to pick a LT at #9 who is not going to make an immediate impact, and I don't think Levi Brown can.
I think it would be a great idea to draft a guard like Grubbs or Sears in the early 2nd if available because they are more likely to come right in and help us out. If that were to be the case then I feel like our only real pressing issue on the o-line would be LT, and while he wasn't a pro bowler, we probably could have used Mcintosh for one more season. Am I saying we are screwed? No, but I don't realistically see this o-line playing at a high level this season, at least not right away, and that will probably cause some serious issues.
 
You know bro, I may be in the minority on this one. If our player is already gone at #9, why not trade down a few spots pick up another number 2 or 3, and draft some good Olineman.:wink:
 
They have limited options there are no players out there at this point that you can hang your hat on. If I were thenm I would bring in a few guys at the league minimum after the draft.
 
They have limited options there are no players out there at this point that you can hang your hat on. If I were thenm I would bring in a few guys at the league minimum after the draft.
Bro I think it's a couple of things. You see who you drafted, Free Agent College players that we can sign, then see who gets cut June 1st if we have any more holes to fill.:wink:
 
yep....

Bro I think it's a couple of things. You see who you drafted, Free Agent College players that we can sign, then see who gets cut June 1st if we have any more holes to fill.:wink:


I agree...you basically have to wait it out until after the draft. And although June 1st cuts aren't that big a deal anymore....you may see some.
 
I agree...you basically have to wait it out until after the draft. And although June 1st cuts aren't that big a deal anymore....you may see some.
Bro I think if our scouting dept. has done there homework we could find some undrafted linemen then either went to small colleges, or need to be developed in time by Houck and staff.:wink:
 
This Levi Brown notion was started by a local Non-dolphin writer and a bunch of people on this board who think Levi Brown is some kind of bust. That notion is wrong. You can argue that the dude has some weaknesses, but so does Nelson or chris houston or Hall or even Joe Thomas. alan branch blew Thomas's doors in!

To suggest that the guy is not worth anything at #9 is simply comparing to others who seemingly are worth #9.

If people really believe that Staley would be a great pickup at 40, then I suggest you be patient, which is not a trait of alot of people on this board, and wait three years for this guy to take over the position. Cus I saw the dude, and athleticism at this position is needed, but its not the say all to the position, they guy blew assignments in the senior bowl game twice where his guy sacked the QB because he blocked down instead of taking the obvious guy in front of him. It was a pass play both times.

Look, I dont care who we get any more, cus I have no power to control anything, but I know for damn sure that if we do not take these OL positions seriously for the long term, we will still suck. My expectations will be 7-9 and 8-8 for the next five years. The oline needs youth, not age to stay consistant over the long haul. That is something we just do not do year after year.

you want Ted Ginn? be my guest, but WR is not a position that is lacking if you consider that CC is really great like some make him to be.
 
This Levi Brown notion was started by a local Non-dolphin writer and a bunch of people on this board who think Levi Brown is some kind of bust. That notion is wrong. You can argue that the dude has some weaknesses, but so does Nelson or chris houston or Hall or even Joe Thomas. alan branch blew Thomas's doors in!

To suggest that the guy is not worth anything at #9 is simply comparing to others who seemingly are worth #9.

If people really believe that Staley would be a great pickup at 40, then I suggest you be patient, which is not a trait of alot of people on this board, and wait three years for this guy to take over the position. Cus I saw the dude, and athleticism at this position is needed, but its not the say all to the position, they guy blew assignments in the senior bowl game twice where his guy sacked the QB because he blocked down instead of taking the obvious guy in front of him. It was a pass play both times.

Look, I dont care who we get any more, cus I have no power to control anything, but I know for damn sure that if we do not take these OL positions seriously for the long term, we will still suck. My expectations will be 7-9 and 8-8 for the next five years. The oline needs youth, not age to stay consistant over the long haul. That is something we just do not do year after year.

you want Ted Ginn? be my guest, but WR is not a position that is lacking if you consider that CC is really great like some make him to be.
Nice post Brother! I was saying if Thomas, Brown, and Quinn are gone. If we could acquire another 2nd or 3rd rounder we could pick up some serious help for our Oline, which we really need to fortify.:wink:
 
Nice post Brother! I was saying if Thomas, Brown, and Quinn are gone. If we could acquire another 2nd or 3rd rounder we could pick up some serious help for our Oline, which we really need to fortify.:wink:


Yeah but the notion that we can simply "pick guys up here and there later on" kind of attitude isnt going to cut it. We really have to flood the oline with good young talent with good character and they will grow together and then this problem will be done for the next five years.

Not saying this to you Cali, but everyone in general. Every year we go through this crap on this board where we cant draft this guy because of this or that. And then we end up right back where we started from.

I am not counting on Toledo for anything, I think he was a Houck pick and Houck doesnt like to go after sure things, he likes to go after guys he can develop. I think its time for a change. I think we should draft an olinemen early and oftern, and then watch this team turn around seriously for the long term.

I agree wholeheartedly with trading down if possible and if the scene is right, but if we go into this thing with the notions of the past, we will still suck because we will have developmental types and this draft is full of young smart talent that can go right in and make there couple of mistakes here and there, but effectively grow into the positon correctly. So yes, I agree with you Cali, but not alot of people around here are thinking that way.

And then we will get Lehr and poeple will start to hit the "now we can draft Ginn" scenario and then we forget about Oline once again. We need to draft as many talented Oline in this draft as possible that fill the C, G, and LT in particular position.
 
Penn State's Pro day workout is scheduled for next weel. Hopefully, Brown will perform better there and make everyone feel better about drafting him. He ran a 5.4 40 at the combine and 1.83 10 yard split. That's extremely slow for a first round left OT draft candidate. Vernon Carey was a 5.3 40 guy and he never made the transition to left tackle because of quickness problems. I know the bashers will say the 40 means nothing but the 10 yard split certainly indicates short area quickness.
 
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