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Enough is enough.. I am tired of being a team who simply can't control the ball properly because our front wall sucks.. This is our #1 need IMO..

we have snubbed this position for far too long.. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of drafting projects like Alibi late in the draft "hoping" they'll pan out and contribute.. We need to go for the throat in this draft and draft guys that WILL contribute and will make our O-line one of strongest areas instead of the weakest (as it has been for for FAR FAR too long) ..

And it is embarrassing being a dolphins fan when our big guys have been pushovers year in and year out on the offensive front .. One of the first things opposing division fans say when I have talked to them over the past 5 years is - " You're O'line Sucks the Bag ! " .. And I;ve heard it far too often and they were absolutely correct ..

With Ricky and Ronnie, we have the horses to run the ball - now we need to build the wall they run behind.. PERIOD.. Being a top 10 rushing team in the NFL will improve our offense instantly...

Here is my ideas.

The Dolphins need at least two of Kalil, Grubbs, Sears to have a good O-line.. The LT position can be occupied by Carey.. The only OT's that can make an immediate impact are Thomas , Staley and Brown.. 3 guys that will be gone by the 2nd round..

I also wouldn't mind Manny Ramirez if he falls for depth purposes, The strongest lineman in the entire draft..

We need a center to call the plays effectively.. A guy who is smart and is technically sound.. That is Kalil.. So trade down our #9 and move down to about the 13th to 17th spot and get him for sure.

Then you get Sears with the next pick ... Sears can easily play RT as he did in college in spurts (and was VERY effective there) . Then move Carey over to LT and we will finally be good on the O'line..

RT- Sears
RG- Shelton
C- Kalil
LG- Hadnot
LT- Carey

We will be much much improved on the O-line with this scenario.. I would also draft Ramirez or Alleman for depth if one of them lasts till the 4th round..

OR

You draft Ben Grubbs, who will be an Alan Faneca for us for about 10 years .. And keep Hadnot at center (but I think it is IMPERATIVE we get Kalil at center) .. And under this scenario, get Levi Brown in round one.

RT- Carey
RG- Shelton
C- HAdnot
LG- Grubbs
LT-Brown

Ricky and Ronnie will have a field day running on the left side of this line and both Grubbs and Brown are terrific run blockers.. Dominating types.. This alone will help our offense immensely, if we can be a top 10 rushing team in the league .. With two or three very good lineman, this is entirely possible ..

Run the damn ball and keep the very good dolphins d off the field.. Something we couldn't do enough of last season..
 
I hear ya loud and clear brother. I am pretty sure we will be based on what management is saying. But I as well could not stand another season with later round picks for OL following the Jimma Johnson theory of OL.

Five picks in the first 113 picks so I do not see how two out of those five cannot be linemen based on needs and plans.
 
finfan54 said:
I hear ya loud and clear brother. I am pretty sure we will be based on what management is saying. But I as well could not stand another season with later round picks for OL following the Jimma Johnson theory of OL.

Five picks in the first 113 picks so I do not see how two out of those five cannot be linemen based on needs and plans.
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I hear ya brother.. I am certain the dolphins can trade down in round one as I believe one of Willis, Peterson or someone else will be available at #9 .. San Fran , Buffalo and the Rams all covet Willis and I am sure we can trade our #9 and move down to one of those 3 teams..

What I am saying is, instead of having 5 picks in the top 113 picks, we can add a 6th pick of the top 113 picks and this is how it can help us :

So, my #1 preference is to trade down to about #12 to #17 then take Kalil .. We need a center ! And he will be an All-Pro .. I guarantee it !! And drafting him would be like adding two O-lineman because that would mean Hadnot will be moving over to Guard - And he is much better there anyway ..

A WIN WIN situation if you ask me .. Plus we'll add another much needed pick by moving down a little .. And get another good player..

So by trading down, we will essentially be adding an all pro center in Kalil.. We will be adding a good guard in Hadnot , and we may add yet another o-lineman with that other pick we get by moving down..

So in essence, we get 3 players for one ..

That one trade down can ultimately go a long way to fix our offensive line problems greatly IMO. Something that is LONG LONG overdue ..

Of those 6 picks in the 113 range, we can easily get 3 very good offensive lineman who will greatly help us.. AND we may be able to get a Drew Stanton to groom, and get a player like Rice at WR and maybe a corner ..

Like I said, trading down is a WIN WIN situation.. Kalil will easily be the best center we will have since the great Dwight Stephenson days .. Kalil will be a Pro-Bowler, and we need him in the worst way possible ..
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
I hear ya brother.. I am certain the dolphins can trade down in round one as I believe one of Willis, Peterson or someone else will be available at #9 .. San Fran , Buffalo and the Rams all covet Willis and I am sure we can trade our #9 and move down to one of those 3 teams..

What I am saying is, instead of having 5 picks in the top 113 picks, we can add a 6th pick of the top 113 picks and this is how it can help us :

So, my #1 preference is to trade down to about #12 to #17 then take Kalil .. We need a center ! And he will be an All-Pro .. I guarantee it !! And drafting him would be like adding two O-lineman because that would mean Hadnot will be moving over to Guard - And he is much better there anyway ..

A WIN WIN situation if you ask me .. Plus we'll add another much needed pick by moving down a little .. And get another good player..

So by trading down, we will essentially be adding an all pro center in Kalil.. We will be adding a good guard in Hadnot , and we may add yet another o-lineman with that other pick we get by moving down..

So in essence, we get 3 players for one ..

That one trade down can ultimately go a long way our offensive line problems greatly IMO. Something that is LONG LONG overdue ..

Of those 6 picks in the 113 range, we can easily get 3 very good offensive lineman who will greatly help us.. AND we may be able to get a Drew Stanton to groom, and get a player like Rice at WR and maybe a corner ..

Like I said, trading down is a WIN WIN situation.. Kalil will easily be the best center we will have since the great Dwight Stephenson days .. Kalil will be a Pro-Bowler, and we need him in the worst way possible ..
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Yea, so think of what he would be like with BRADY QUINN under center. Kalil is projected as an early 2nd rounder, so we make the trade up for Quinn, only give up ONE pick (3rd round or maybe the pats' 2nd rounder and we get something like a 5 in the deal too), and we could have a franchise QB (which arguably is as big a need, if not bigger, than OL), a C AND a good WR with the first three picks. Quinn at #6 (after the trade), Kalil at #40, Gonzalez or Hill at #60
 
Quinn is very overrated IMO .. I am not impressed with him .. If he didn't go to Notre Dame, he'd be projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder ..

And you are mistaken, Kalil will be drafted in the first round of this draft.. Book it.. He will definitely NOT be around when the fins pick again that late..
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
Quinn is very overrated IMO .. I am not impressed with him .. If he didn't go to Notre Dame, he'd be projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder ..

And you are mistaken, Kalil will be drafted in the first round of this draft.. Book it.. He will definitely NOT be around when the fins pick again that late..
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I'm not a fan of OL in round 1, I just can't bring myself to it. And Quinn isn't overrated because he plays at ND, if anything that's what has all these people calling him overrated. He "never won the big one" there, but how many of those "big ones" did he single-handledly BOMB? He was working with a wretched coach and team his first two years and still shattered records, and then he moved to a PRo-Style offense and because even MORE adept at running the team. His defense let him down more often than not. Why isn't anyone talking about his USC comeback? That was all Quinn, and they HAD that game, the questionable call is what gave USC the win.
 
You don't need to explain, I've watched Quinn alot ... I just think Quinn will bomb in the NFL . Maybe not as bad as fellow Notre Dame QB Rick Mirer .. But close.

And how can anyone not want a Pro Bowl calibre Center in the first round ? You'd rather go for another Jamar Fletcher ?

This is the problem, dolphin fans want a very good offensive line, but don't want to invest a first rounder on getting there.. It makes no sense.. You can't have your cake and eat it too..

And some people here greatly undervalue what a Pro Bowl type , technically sound, strong, quick and smart Center means to an offensive line.. ..And what it means overall to an offense ..

A top notch, smart signal caller at center, is the biggest need on this line. A line that happens to be one of the worst in the league as it stands right now .. Even our coach alluded to this , saying, "our offense starts from the Center on out" ..

I don't blame some dolphins fans for not understanding this, because it's been quite some time since Dwight Stephenson has been around .. So maybe people have forgotten how it feels to have total confidence in an offensive line..
 
If there is no chance at Brady Quinn [trading up nor he falls], I would like to draft Joe Staley with the #9 pick overall. If we can trade down and still get him, then great. But I am willing to reach for Joe Staley.

I have him rated higher than Levi Brown. Call me crazy, but yup.
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
You don't need to explain, I've watched Quinn alot ... I just think Quinn will bomb in the NFL . Maybe not as bad as fellow Notre Dame QB Rick Mirer .. But close.

And how can anyone not want a Pro Bowl calibre Center in the first round ? You'd rather go for another Jamar Fletcher ?

This is the problem, dolphin fans want a very good offensive line but don't want to invest a first rounder on getting there.. It makes no sense.. And some people here greatly undervalue what a Pro Bowl type , technically sound, strong, quick and smart Center means to an offensive line..
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Who said anything abaout Jamar Fletcher? I was the biggest opponent of that draft. And why? Because we passed up on a future Pro Bowl QB. How can anyone NOT want a franchise QB, FINALLY, so we don't have to deal with all this trash we've been trying to pass as treasure for EIGHT YEARS now.
 
i hear ya...im tired of drafting late round OL. sure u can find a diamond in the rough...but US....hasnt happened yet. we drafted Hadnot and Carey very high, and so far they are our best OL. With our first pick...we could either trade it back to acquire an extra 2nd and a later first...or keep it, pickup Levi Brown. If we go back...id take Justin Blalock, then Josh Beekman in the 2nd.

Kalil isnt for us...hes a zone blocker...Beekman is considered the best Center in the draft by many. or we can keep the #9 and draft Ted Ginn to give us extra help with WR...and our two 2nd round picks can be Beekman and Ryan Harris perhaps. we seem high on Andy Alleman...and im not ready to count on Toledo or Alabi yet...so bring in whoever u want.
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
Enough is enough.. I am tired of being a team who simply can't control the ball properly because our front wall sucks.. This is our #1 need IMO..

we have snubbed this position for far too long.. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of drafting projects like Alibi late in the draft "hoping" they'll pan out and contribute.. We need to go for the throat in this draft and draft guys that WILL contribute and will make our O-line one of strongest areas instead of the weakest (as it has been for for FAR FAR too long) ..

And it is embarrassing being a dolphins fan when our big guys have been pushovers year in and year out on the offensive front .. One of the first things opposing division fans say when I have talked to them over the past 5 years is - " You're O'line Sucks the Bag ! " .. And I;ve heard it far too often and they were absolutely correct ..

With Ricky and Ronnie, we have the horses to run the ball - now we need to build the wall they run behind.. PERIOD.. Being a top 10 rushing team in the NFL will improve our offense instantly...

Here is my ideas.

The Dolphins need at least two of Kalil, Grubbs, Sears to have a good O-line.. The LT position can be occupied by Carey.. The only OT's that can make an immediate impact are Thomas , Staley and Brown.. 3 guys that will be gone by the 2nd round..

I also wouldn't mind Manny Ramirez if he falls for depth purposes, The strongest lineman in the entire draft..

We need a center to call the plays effectively.. A guy who is smart and is technically sound.. That is Kalil.. So trade down our #9 and move down to about the 13th to 17th spot and get him for sure.

Then you get Sears with the next pick ... Sears can easily play RT as he did in college in spurts (and was VERY effective there) . Then move Carey over to LT and we will finally be good on the O'line..

RT- Sears
RG- Shelton
C- Kalil
LG- Hadnot
LT- Carey

We will be much much improved on the O-line with this scenario.. I would also draft Ramirez or Alleman for depth if one of them lasts till the 4th round..

OR

You draft Ben Grubbs, who will be an Alan Faneca for us for about 10 years .. And keep Hadnot at center (but I think it is IMPERATIVE we get Kalil at center) .. And under this scenario, get Levi Brown in round one.

RT- Carey
RG- Shelton
C- HAdnot
LG- Grubbs
LT-Brown

Ricky and Ronnie will have a field day running on the left side of this line and both Grubbs and Brown are terrific run blockers.. Dominating types.. This alone will help our offense immensely, if we can be a top 10 rushing team in the league .. With two or three very good lineman, this is entirely possible ..

Run the damn ball and keep the very good dolphins d off the field.. Something we couldn't do enough of last season..
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Dude, when are you going to wake up to reality? You don't just poof! "hey, I'm going to trade down!" and poof! there you go...no that isn't reality.

There is no team that is going to want to give up any picks to move up to #9. We are stuck.

We just need to hope that one of Grubbs, Sears, Blalock(yeah right), or Kalil(yeah right) is there at #40.

Just concentrate on Tedd Ginn Jr if we aren't interested in Brown at #9. But we aren't trading down. Not for the #9 pick. Who would want that pick? Why? All the must haves are going to be gone by #5 or #6.

Now should Quinn or Peterson still be there at #9...then maybe, maybe we can find a trade partner. But doubt it.
 
MrEd said:
Dude, when are you going to wake up to reality? You don't just poof! "hey, I'm going to trade down!" and poof! there you go...no that isn't reality.

There is no team that is going to want to give up any picks to move up to #9. We are stuck.

We just need to hope that one of Grubbs, Sears, Blalock(yeah right), or Kalil(yeah right) is there at #40.

Just concentrate on Tedd Ginn Jr if we aren't interested in Brown at #9. But we aren't trading down. Not for the #9 pick. Who would want that pick? Why? All the must haves are going to be gone by #5 or #6.

Now should Quinn or Peterson still be there at #9...then maybe, maybe we can find a trade partner. But doubt it.
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What are you talking about ? It has been well documented the Bills, Rams and 49ers all covet Patrick Willis.. As they all need this type of player and lack in that position .. There is a good chance he'll be there at #9 ..

All those teams can be viable trading partners.. Thus making it realistic.. Teams trade down ALL THE TIME !! Thus making it a realistic possibility ..
 
Vertical Limit said:
If there is no chance at Brady Quinn [trading up nor he falls], I would like to draft Joe Staley with the #9 pick overall. If we can trade down and still get him, then great. But I am willing to reach for Joe Staley.

I have him rated higher than Levi Brown. Call me crazy, but yup.
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I like Staley too.. But it has been well documented that Levi Brown is more NFL ready right now.. Although Staley's ceiling is higher, and I agree with that, do you want to wait a year or two before seeing Staley play regularly ?
 
MastR_EvaluatoR said:
What are you talking about ? It has been well documented the Bills, Rams and 49ers all covet Patrick Willis.. As they all need this type of player and lack in that position .. There is a good chance he'll be there at #9 ..

All those teams can be viable trading partners.. Thus making it realistic.. Teams trade down ALL THE TIME !! Thus making it a realistic possibility ..
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49ers won't trade up because Houston is the team after us and they're not interested in him. The Bills have so many needs right now that they can't afford to trade up. The Rams maybe, but they are also very interested in Okoye so they may just stay there and see who falls to them between Willis and Okoye. I kinda agree with you o-line post, but it's not Cam's or Houck's style to draft o-line in the early rounds. I see maybe Staley if he falls to our #40 pick, but other than that it seems they are going to draft low-key guys. If we get Staley in the 2nd, our o-line i set this year IMO

LT: Staley
LG: Alabi
C: Hadnot
RG: Shelton
RT: Carey

I think the reason they are trying to stockpile all these late round picks is to draft a majority of the o-line picks then and use earlier picks on QBs, WRs, TEs, and maybe even DB. O-line is easier to COACH then WRs, QBs, TEs, and DBs.
 
finfan54 said:
I hear ya loud and clear brother. I am pretty sure we will be based on what management is saying. But I as well could not stand another season with later round picks for OL following the Jimma Johnson theory of OL.

Five picks in the first 113 picks so I do not see how two out of those five cannot be linemen based on needs and plans.
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love the firs 4 picks of ur mock draft
 
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