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Observations for the Bucs Game.

Great read! I agree with a lot of you on the team although I think that Ronnie is going to end up the starter for the season..

He has the first four games to prove his worth and I think he will. They'll still do a lot of the things they did in this game though... And what game does Ricky come back for? Tampa...

They'll try to find an answer for the two backs but with Ronnie with 4 regular season games experience and Ricky with fresh legs, good luck...
 
I didn't say Ronnie doesn't deserve to start, just that he made a few rookie mistakes out there and it was obvious he had jitters to work out. This is the guy with the best hands in the draft, yet he really did muff a high screen pass by Frerotte. Uncharacteristic for him. And he really did have the same matchup that Ricky had in that fumble play, Ricky came away with 4 extra yards after contact, Ronnie came away with about 1 maybe 2 extra yards and exposed the ball to Phillips' helmet. Not saying he won't learn quickly, just that what you saw out there was a rookie playing in his first NFL game working out a few jitters.
 
And I don't know how anyone could look at that play and not conclude that the right tackle clearly reached out his arms and tripped Kevin Carter. Tampa is home to some of the biggest homers in the media that I've ever seen.

If I were Saban I'd be working those safeties in their deep zone ball coverage for the next few weeks. They need to be a lot smoother out there.

And personally, if I were Simeon Rice and got blocked in the run game by "Randy McDaniel" all night long in the running game and got taken out of short pass plays by runningbacks and tight ends all night without even a full LT on you, I wouldn't even show my face to a reporter.
 
Great analysis. I couldn't agree more about Daniels. He has done remarkably well considering that he is, at this point, an advanced college player. His 'in' is that he knows the defense but he doesn't have the feel for the game that as starting CB should have. It will come in time, just not this time.
 
Great job CK. I agree with most everything you say especially the QB thing, and I dont think it will change. I think Feeley will become the starter when Frerrote gets injured, but that may not happen since he gets rid of the ball and moves around the pocket nicely. I do believe he will get on the same page in the coming weeks and I am patient for it because I understand.

Tractor Traylor? Thats funny. first ive heard of that. Crowder is for real though but I think he will be the first string backup for two spots while Spragan starts.
I enjoyed your post because I think it verified what I saw, so I know now I am not blind. Thanks for the in depth OL info, I cant get that in depth while trying to watch everything else once or twice.
 
ckparrothead said:
I didn't say Ronnie doesn't deserve to start, just that he made a few rookie mistakes out there and it was obvious he had jitters to work out. This is the guy with the best hands in the draft, yet he really did muff a high screen pass by Frerotte. Uncharacteristic for him. And he really did have the same matchup that Ricky had in that fumble play, Ricky came away with 4 extra yards after contact, Ronnie came away with about 1 maybe 2 extra yards and exposed the ball to Phillips' helmet. Not saying he won't learn quickly, just that what you saw out there was a rookie playing in his first NFL game working out a few jitters.

I wonder if the ball was thrown high on purpose since it wouldnt have gone anywhere anyways and I think we were trying to stop the clock. I know Ricky was very smart doing so on his Screen pass. The screen passes arent working so good. What I see working real well is to have Ricky go safety valve one way and ronnie the other way and who ever is covered you go to the other guy. How the hell do you stop that?
 
I wonder if the ball was thrown high on purpose since it wouldnt have gone anywhere anyways and I think we were trying to stop the clock. I know Ricky was very smart doing so on his Screen pass. The screen passes arent working so good. What I see working real well is to have Ricky go safety valve one way and ronnie the other way and who ever is covered you go to the other guy. How the hell do you stop that?

You give Gus too much credit. He threw it high, probably not totally on purpose, and Ronnie muffed it.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't. A QB change at the present is the last thing needed. Frerotte needs the repetitions to make sure the deep shots begin working. AJ Feeley, for the most part, doesn't even have the guts during games to take those deep shots because he's so eager to prove he's better than Gus and not eager to see those incompletions on his record. Feeley played his way out of this starting job a while ago. The coaches aren't babysitters, and they don't have a responsibility to hold anyone's hand while they get use to things. They have a responsibility ONLY to get the best QB play possible, they do not have a responsibility to make things all fair and equal and lovey-dovey in the QB race.

And as for seeing the same mistakes as last year, yes. All of them. He stares down receivers, he shows little or no touch on short passes, and he does not take enough shots deep. Some offenses, that will work. Some offenses, it won't.

This is BS CK, a QB change is needed bad, you haven't seen Gus his whole carreer like I have. He's below AVG. AJ playing now won't change anything now except more completions deep. AJ will have to grown, but this is the time, while we're retooling, Gus is a short stop gap without upside. I totally disagree with you on this. Gus should be outplaying AJ by miles and he's not, his ceil in reached, AJ seem to still have upside and we need to see how high, even at the cost of losing a game or two PERIOD. WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE SB THIS YEAR unless AJ improves and the OL plays becomes very consistent..those 2 things happen we're in the playoffs.
 
ckparrothead said:
Had a BIIIIIG thing written out, lost it all because my screen refreshed for no good reason. Yowsa. So, I lost my play-by-play notes and had to go off memory to get these observations.


1. Seth McKinney made dramatic improvement in the last few games from what he looked like against the Bears. DRAMATIC. One on one assignments were not a problem for him in general. That's very odd.

2. Jeno James also appears to have worked out a few kinks.

3. Vernon Carey is not as good a RT as he is a LT, curiously enough he can actually struggle with the bullrush of LDEs, and he is not as inspiring a run blocker as he is a pass protector, at least not yet.

4. Damion McIntosh proved he can do a lot of the same things Vernon can do in the pass protection game (not all of them, he's not a black hole like IHOP is), and he's a better run blocker, that I can tell.

5. Randy McMichael deserves a medal for the number of times he took on a defensive end all by himself in run and pass blocking, and just flat out DOMINATED. He owned Simeon Rice. It wasn't even funny. All night. Randy was the most improved player from Game 3 to Game 4...although considering the game he had in Game 3, that's not surprising.

6. Ronnie's fumble was his fault. He ran the same up the gut play that Ricky gained good ground on the first drive, was matched up 1on1 with safety Phillips just like Ricky was, but Ricky used his body maneuvering to get good yards after meeting Phillips, while Ronnie merely dove and laid in for the hit leaving the ball exposed to Phillips' helmet. Rookie mistake. Otherwise, he's a good powerful runner, and his weaknesses in vision did not show up tonight. He did muff a pass on a screen play that was called back for defensive holding. Obviously the rook had some jitters to shake out.

7. Ricky Williams still does not look like the Ricky Williams of old, but he is still cat quick, uses his body well even though his body isn't as dominating and physically powerful as it once was, and he has remarkable vision. He and Ronnie will be dangerous together, but it may be hard for Ronnie to find his own ways of outshining the crowd with Ricky in the game too.

8. I like some of the plays Linehan has in the arsenal. The end-around used by Welker & Chambers that worked twice was the same that we used against the Jags with success I believe. The "90 flip" play that Ricky ran for a good amount on in the first drive was one we used against the Jags with great success (remember the rookie CB that Ricky faked out of his pants?). The long plays are working; the plays are there to be had, and when Gus gets on the right page with the WRs they will start becoming completions. What is important here is that we do not make another quarterback switch because that will only take us two steps back in making these long plays a success. Our allegiance for picking a QB shouldn't be to fairness, it should be to getting the maximum production out of the QB. Right now that means continuing to allow Frerotte to air it out with the first team until he feels out exactly how far he needs to throw David Boston on the fly pattern, or Bryan Gilmore, or Chambers, or Booker, or Welker, etc. Part of the reason AJ Feeley has such a better completion rate is because the guy doesn't throw those long deep shots the way Frerotte does. If you go back into a shell with those deep shots, we're back to the same offense we basically ran all last season. Do you want that? I don't, and I'm willing to sacrifice a little completion percentage to get it.

9. The offense had something going on two drives during the first quarter, but Ronnie Brown coughed up the ball on one of them. That drive was going to score points, and I don't think it was going to be a field goal. The backfield of Ricky & Ronnie together looked dangerous. Imagine the same end-around play that Chambers & Welker ran, except with Brown barreling down the field just as fast except with 230 pounds of steam behind him. That could have happened, Ricky was the one-back and Ronnie the motioning slot man playing the same position Welker & Chambers ran the end-around from.

10. JT made Anthony Davis his b!tch and pimp slapped him aside on more than one occasion, and also proved he's better than Simeon Rice. Or at least, he was last night. Simeon got dominated by Randy McMichael but when the Bucs tried to have Becht do the same thing, JT blazed by Becht as if he was standing still and sacked Griese on a short 3 step drop. You're not supposed to get sacks on a 3 step drop, that's why they designed them that way.

11. Kevin Carter continues to be our most valuable addition on defense. He was BORN for playing LDE in the 3-4 technique. If you see the 3-4 used on 50% of our plays or more this season (and I suspect you will), you can thank Kevin Carter for that. He's like Richard Seymour out there. He's dominant. Can't say enough. JT had a great day, but Carter is consistently collapsing things more than JT is.

12. Reggie Howard will start at CB this season. Say what? I'm sorry, but after embarrassing himself against the Bears he has been our most improved defensive secondary player. He tackles well, he seems born for zone play where he gets to read the QB's movements, he peels off his assignments and flies to the ball, and he's been staying up with receivers deep lately. The guy has flat out outplayed Travis Daniels if you ask me. Daniels may know this defense, but he has a thing or two to learn about the abilities of WRs and offensive schemes in the NFL. Not to knock Daniels, he's done extremely well too, but Howard has shown the kind of promise that leads me to believe he can literally replace Surtain in his role as starting CB and slot man in the nickel package. He can blitz, he can tackle, he can play zone, he can keep up deep, he can read the QB's eyes, and he can catch the ball. He has it all and it is showing. Has anyone else been waiting for the glaring weaknesses in our secondary to start hurting us in first team play yet? You know why it hasn't? Yup. Howard.

13. Sam Madison's days as a Dolphin are numbered. He's never been asked to be responsible for making plays on the ballcarrier the way he is in this defense, and he's failing at it. We've always known he's a pedestrian tackler, but now we see why Bill Parcells use to have little respect for Madison and use to send runners right toward his position on the outside. He will only be a Dolphin until we find a suitable replacement. Whether Will Poole turns out to be that replacement or not, I don't know. For now, he's still great at covering people, and Saban will use that believe me.

14. Channing Crowder had a decent game, but I thought Spragan and Seau were both better. I'm just sayin...I know we have a lot of hopes for Crowder, but he's not there yet. Spragan, Seau, and Thomas ARE there. Channing will be eventually.

15. Holliday continues to perform excellently, like a poor man's Kevin Carter. And Tractor Traylor does too, but we need Chester to get back so that he can give him rest every now and then otherwise Traylor will wear down before the mid-year mark.

16. Yeremiah Bell may have played himself out of the starting lineup with his poor technique against the Bucs. In coverage and in tackling, he had poor technique. On one play he should have helped Crowder put a contain on Caddy who was running out right, instead he cut Crowder off and tried to tackle Caddy, who broke the tackle and got about 6 more yards. On that Galloway deep cross that resulted in a touchdown pass called back by holding, Bell displayed extremely poor technique in picking up Galloway's coverage on the deep cross. I actually thought he was going to trip over himself and fall down it was so poor. Schulters, on the other hand, seemed to play well in this game...we could see a move very soon.

17. Did I mention that Randy McMichael deserves a medal for this game? ;) Did I mention that Ron Jaworski deserves a good punch in the throat? Consistently called McMichael "Randy McDaniel" and as always, has been a BLATANT apologist for every player on the Bucs' roster. I love how he'll talk up that Galloway TD on the deep cross called back by a "stupid holding penalty" all day long, except if you look at the tape Kevin Carter knocked the RT flat on his face and had the RT not reached out his hands and outright TRIPPED Carter, then that ball never would have gotten out of Griese's hands unless it was a fumble. YEESH.

18. Also, the Bucs played their 2nd string a little early for my tastes. I thought they'd have had an agreement in place on when to take them out. Nope. By the time AJ Feeley played, that wasn't the Bucs' 2nd stringers out there in the secondary, those were the 3rd stringers and the guys who will never see an NFL roster. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails AJ, but that TD pass to Farmer came against Blue Adams, Ronyell Whitaker, and Kalvin Pearson. Ouch.


Wow 2 days to come up withh a way to bash AJ. cool.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't. A QB change at the present is the last thing needed. Frerotte needs the repetitions to make sure the deep shots begin working. AJ Feeley, for the most part, doesn't even have the guts during games to take those deep shots because he's so eager to prove he's better than Gus and not eager to see those incompletions on his record. Feeley played his way out of this starting job a while ago. The coaches aren't babysitters, and they don't have a responsibility to hold anyone's hand while they get use to things. They have a responsibility ONLY to get the best QB play possible, they do not have a responsibility to make things all fair and equal and lovey-dovey in the QB race.

And as for seeing the same mistakes as last year, yes. All of them. He stares down receivers, he shows little or no touch on short passes, and he does not take enough shots deep. Some offenses, that will work. Some offenses, it won't.

Ck

Thanks for the great write up. I know it took a lot of time and really helps those of us who don't get to see the game. Great isnight and grea detail.

My only wish was that it wouldn't turn into a Gus/AJ debate. I wish it could have just been a recap of the game. But I guess most people are so divided that they cannot watch or recap a game without turning it into a debate. I see that in your mind, you know AJ's reason for doing things and what he is thinking during the games.

Again, thanks for taking the time to give us your thoughts.
 
ah yes the td was against 3rd string cb's as u say but he threw it to danny farmer?????????
 
Thanks foe the writeup ck, keep them coming. Cant say I agree woth you about AJ, he has more upside, but hey noone can agree on everything ;)

BTW- Really like what you wrote up on Howard, kind of gets me excited for him.
 
And wow Babysit u think aj played his way out of the starting lineup well ur comments played ur way out of respectibility. A.j has hit on his deep throws this preseason gus on the other hand has shown no signs of touch at all. A.J is merely hitting recievers open in space and putting them in position to get yards after the catch watch the game that was clear. That pass to Farmer was picture perfect Gus's pass to Gilmore deep was a laugh who's he think he is throwing to superman. Wake up and stop bein the Guskatter with the tightest tights on.
 
This isn't about being biased one way or the other. This is about fielding the best team possible and right now that means Gus Frerotte, not AJ Feeley.

It boggles my mind why people assume that AJ Feeley has this embedded potential that Gus Frerotte has not. You say you've seen Gus Frerotte play in his career, well I've seen enough of AJ Feeley in his career as well.

The bottom line with AJ Feeley is Rick Spielman rolled the dice, and came up snake eyes. There's nothing wrong with rolling the dice, you just have to be prepared for the consequences if you get a bad roll. You MOVE ON. You don't linger on some half-talent that you picked up just because you reeeeeaaally want him to turn out to be really good.

The worst thing you could ever do for your franchise is take a guy like that and start him when you know it is not the thing that is most conducive to your team winning now.

You know how AJ Feeley is going to show us that he's worth starting for good? IF HE EARNS IT BY BEING THE BEST QB OUT THERE.

He's not. What, because he finally led his offense to some points, all the sudden he's better than Gus? Sorry. I've seen and scoured every pro football game that AJ has ever played, and some of his college games too. His tendencies just don't WORK over the long term in the NFL. He's a freakin system quarterback. And so is Gus Frerotte. But Gus Frerotte is a system quarterback in OUR system, while AJ is still struggling and could only finally get something done against Ronyell Whitaker, Blue Adams, and Kalvin Pearson in the secondary. Yeah, THAT speaks of his wealth of quarterbacking talent.
 
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