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Observations for the Bucs Game.

I agree whole heartedly...I just want us to win. Gus fits what THIS system is trying to do...throw the ball down the field. AJ is more of a dink and dunk to the rb or quick hit to the TE or WR. Is Gus a savior...hardly...but he fits better...ALOT better what Linehan wants to do...watch both QBs..Gus will throw downfield..AJ does it rarely.. Its more of a sysytem thing for me...and Gus fits this system better
 
And dont even bother with the Aj lovers who vehemently attack people on this site for stating their opionion. They're militant because theyre annoyed Saban and the team agree with the people who believe Gus has performed better so far.
 
I just think you roll the dice and move on. Churn'em and burn'em. We bring in Cade McNown for his 'potential' but guess what? He didn't show any. So you burn'em. Bring in Jim Druckenmiller for the same reason, shows nothing, get rid of him. We brought in Griese, he didn't show much, we got rid of him. We rolled the dice on Sage Rosenfels, he's never been compelling enough to start, so eventually yeah we'll get rid of him (and possibly soon if we grab Davey). We rolled the dice on Feeley, and he hasn't turned up, so we will eventually get rid of him.

We also rolled the dice on Gus Frerotte, and through 4 games I believe we can probably tell he's not the answer either. But he happens to give us the best shot at winning right now and starting AJ Feeley for his phantom potential could have repercussions that ring worst than you think. It could set this franchise back years.
 
Aqua and Orange said:
And dont even bother with the Aj lovers who vehemently attack people on this site for stating their opionion. They're militant because theyre annoyed Saban and the team agree with the people who believe Gus has performed better so far.
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Please give me some proof please. Thats all im doing, im asking for some proof, thats it.
 
Aj can throw the deepball people fail to realize that in the breif glimpses of the deepball aj has thrown it good. I think the reason he is dinkin and dunkin is due to him not being completely comfortable in the system i think the playbook will open up vs. Atl for AJ
 
fins513 said:
Aj can throw the deepball people fail to realize that in the breif glimpses of the deepball aj has thrown it good. I think the reason he is dinkin and dunkin is due to him not being completely comfortable in the system i think the playbook will open up vs. Atl for AJ
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You might be right...he just decides to throw the dinks and dunks more...want to see him go deep more
 
I love how he'll talk up that Galloway TD on the deep cross called back by a "stupid holding penalty" all day long, except if you look at the tape Kevin Carter knocked the RT flat on his face and had the RT not reached out his hands and outright TRIPPED Carter, then that ball never would have gotten out of Griese's hands unless it was a fumble. YEESH.

Exactly, I've been telling all the Bucs fans here the same thing. All i've been hearing is about that play and how they got robbed.. I tell them all, if not for the HOLDING, your quarterback would have been faceplanted man.. so just shut up.. good point.. thanks for reconfirming what I saw too..
 
paskerbrandon said:
Please give me some proof please. Thats all im doing, im asking for some proof, thats it.
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The coaches have kept him as our starter and were talking of moving Feeley to 3rd string at one point, and the team (most vocally Randy McMichael) has Gus' back. Since no one sees more of the team than the players and the coaches, I think it would be silly to think that we could pretend to be more knowledgable than them about the battle.
That should be enough to concede that Frerotte is performing better overall . I just think we should defer to who the coaches and players have their confidence in.
 
ckparrothead said:
This isn't about being biased one way or the other. This is about fielding the best team possible and right now that means Gus Frerotte, not AJ Feeley.

It boggles my mind why people assume that AJ Feeley has this embedded potential that Gus Frerotte has not. You say you've seen Gus Frerotte play in his career, well I've seen enough of AJ Feeley in his career as well.

The bottom line with AJ Feeley is Rick Spielman rolled the dice, and came up snake eyes. There's nothing wrong with rolling the dice, you just have to be prepared for the consequences if you get a bad roll. You MOVE ON. You don't linger on some half-talent that you picked up just because you reeeeeaaally want him to turn out to be really good.

The worst thing you could ever do for your franchise is take a guy like that and start him when you know it is not the thing that is most conducive to your team winning now.

You know how AJ Feeley is going to show us that he's worth starting for good? IF HE EARNS IT BY BEING THE BEST QB OUT THERE.

He's not. What, because he finally led his offense to some points, all the sudden he's better than Gus? Sorry. I've seen and scoured every pro football game that AJ has ever played, and some of his college games too. His tendencies just don't WORK over the long term in the NFL. He's a freakin system quarterback. And so is Gus Frerotte. But Gus Frerotte is a system quarterback in OUR system, while AJ is still struggling and could only finally get something done against Ronyell Whitaker, Blue Adams, and Kalvin Pearson in the secondary. Yeah, THAT speaks of his wealth of quarterbacking talent.
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CK, Gus was a pro bowl player in DC one year, you don't get rid of pro bowl players unless they go way down and he did, he's good in practice because a lot of team have been dupe by him, you know the list of teams, he's been a backup QB for a reason....I don't see how you can sit there and say you've seen enough of AJ, when he really hasn't been given the reigns to lead this team for a complete year and in one system for 2 years. Hell it took Brees 4 years to breakout, Manning took 2 years in the same system, Bret Farve took 3 years to break out, 1 in ATL, 2 in GB. AJ has played as well as Gus, you yourself wrote up a report last off season why you thought AJ was the better QB and the potential he had, yes you wrote it with your breakdown and everything...then he gets behind our poor OL last year and didn't get to show everything, he didn't get the full offseason with the number 1s last year nor this year, Saban and Wanny=same on that front. You name a qb, stick by him until he gives you reason not to. Saban sabotagse (sp) this thing the minute he signed Gus, AJ is human and he had to feel the negatives of this. If you don't build you QB's confidence with reinforcement, he's always looking over his shoulders, hince your he doesn't throw the deep ball enough, would you, if everything you did is magnified more than the other QB signed. AJ only started one time this ps, and only for 10 minutes of the first quarter, Gus has started the rest of the PS and has don't nothing better than AJ in the first game. Hasn't shown any improvement from one week to the next. Yet he gets the benefit of a doubt each and every week. You've seen the best of Gus Period, I don't know what AJ's best is, because he's not allowed to play. You don't know what AJ 's best is either because he hasn't been given the chance to develope.

Having said that, I will support AJ until the first game, then whoever starts is fine with me as then I'll be pulling for the fins, but I can tell you, you've seen the best of Gus.
 
Where is Roth???? I haven't heard anything about him in some time. Is he even going to make the team? I had high hopes for this mammoth guy in our Defense and it seems like he hasn't even been on the field. I have heard no chatter about him at ALL.

Please comment because I'm about ready to file a Missing Persons Report w/Dade Police!!!
 
MDFINFAN said:
CK, Gus was a pro bowl player in DC one year, you don't get rid of pro bowl players unless they go way down and he did, he's good in practice because a lot of team have been dupe by him, you know the list of teams, he's been a backup QB for a reason....I don't see how you can sit there and say you've seen enough of AJ, when he really hasn't been given the reigns to lead this team for a complete year and in one system for 2 years. Hell it took Brees 4 years to breakout, Manning took 2 years in the same system, Bret Farve took 3 years to break out, 1 in ATL, 2 in GB. AJ has played as well as Gus, you yourself wrote up a report last off season why you thought AJ was the better QB and the potential he had, yes you wrote it with your breakdown and everything...then he gets behind our poor OL last year and didn't get to show everything, he didn't get the full offseason with the number 1s last year nor this year, Saban and Wanny=same on that front. You name a qb, stick by him until he gives you reason not to. Saban sabotagse (sp) this thing the minute he signed Gus, AJ is human and he had to feel the negatives of this. If you don't build you QB's confidence with reinforcement, he's always looking over his shoulders, hince your he doesn't throw the deep ball enough, would you, if everything you did is magnified more than the other QB signed. AJ only started one time this ps, and only for 10 minutes of the first quarter, Gus has started the rest of the PS and has don't nothing better than AJ in the first game. Hasn't shown any improvement from one week to the next. Yet he gets the benefit of a doubt each and every week. You've seen the best of Gus Period, I don't know what AJ's best is, because he's not allowed to play. You don't know what AJ 's best is either because he hasn't been given the chance to develope.

Having said that, I will support AJ until the first game, then whoever starts is fine with me as then I'll be pulling for the fins, but I can tell you, you've seen the best of Gus.
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Better than Jay Fiedler is not better than Gus Frerotte. What I wrote about Feeley last offseason was relative to Jay Fiedler, which is to say AJ has way better physical tools than Jay does. But, so does Gus.

Yes, I've seen enough of AJ Feeley to know he's a system guy at best and this isn't and can't POSSIBLY be his "system" since he's only just learning it this training camp and preseason. Give him more time and this may become his system.

Where's the potential? I certainly don't see it. Gus has clearly outplayed Feeley in the preseason against first string defenses. AJ didn't even lead a scoring drive until he faced the Bucs' third and fourth string defenders! You call that good? You call that potential?

Wasted time on Gus is the same as wasted time on AJ as far as I'm concerned, except Gus actually gives us a better chance to win since he knows and believes in the system and has the balls to throw it deep 30% of the time even though he knows it will victimize his stats, because those repetitions and misses are going to be important when those deep shots start working. AJ is like Dave Wannstedt, no balls. Don't throw it deep because you know that it has a low chance of success. Yet, you can't increase that chance of success unless you increase your deep throw repetitions. AJ does not buy into this system when I watch him play, and having watched him play every single pro game he's ever played, in my opinion it is because he is not that kind of quarterback. He wants to be back in the west coast offense.

You derailed with the Manning comparison MD, because Manning looked like a player from the moment he started playing as a rookie. He threw for like more TDs and yards than any other rookie in NFL history if I remember right, he just also threw a ton of interceptions too. He grew out of that but you could tell the talent was there. Same was true of Favre. The talent is not there for AJ. It just is not. Brees was a completely special case. Know why? He's literally changed his physical makeup. His weakness has always been his armstrength. He broke down his pass mechanics, his diet, his workouts, and everything about his game and came away with literally 20% more velocity on his throws. Quite frankly, he's no longer the Drew Brees of the first three years in the league. I would flat out accuse him of being on steroids except supposedly the NFL has a pretty good program for catching that kind of stuff. So, uhh, at 28 years old is AJ Feeley going to break down his mechanics, his diet, his workout regiment, and everything in order to improve his game? He certainly doesn't appear interested. Or maybe he did do all that and that's why he is perfectly incapable of showing touch on any of his short passes whatsoever.

And whoever says Gus has no touch obviously has not been watching AJ drill balls at 100 mph into a runningbacks facemask that is 10 yards away from him. AJ doesn't even know what touch means.
 
ckparrothead said:
Better than Jay Fiedler is not better than Gus Frerotte. What I wrote about Feeley last offseason was relative to Jay Fiedler, which is to say AJ has way better physical tools than Jay does. But, so does Gus.

Yes, I've seen enough of AJ Feeley to know he's a system guy at best and this isn't and can't POSSIBLY be his "system" since he's only just learning it this training camp and preseason. Give him more time and this may become his system.

Where's the potential? I certainly don't see it. Gus has clearly outplayed Feeley in the preseason against first string defenses. AJ didn't even lead a scoring drive until he faced the Bucs' third and fourth string defenders! You call that good? You call that potential?

Wasted time on Gus is the same as wasted time on AJ as far as I'm concerned, except Gus actually gives us a better chance to win since he knows and believes in the system and has the balls to throw it deep 30% of the time even though he knows it will victimize his stats, because those repetitions and misses are going to be important when those deep shots start working. AJ is like Dave Wannstedt, no balls. Don't throw it deep because you know that it has a low chance of success. Yet, you can't increase that chance of success unless you increase your deep throw repetitions. AJ does not buy into this system when I watch him play, and having watched him play every single pro game he's ever played, in my opinion it is because he is not that kind of quarterback. He wants to be back in the west coast offense.

You derailed with the Manning comparison MD, because Manning looked like a player from the moment he started playing as a rookie. He threw for like more TDs and yards than any other rookie in NFL history if I remember right, he just also threw a ton of interceptions too. He grew out of that but you could tell the talent was there. Same was true of Favre. The talent is not there for AJ. It just is not. Brees was a completely special case. Know why? He's literally changed his physical makeup. His weakness has always been his armstrength. He broke down his pass mechanics, his diet, his workouts, and everything about his game and came away with literally 20% more velocity on his throws. Quite frankly, he's no longer the Drew Brees of the first three years in the league. I would flat out accuse him of being on steroids except supposedly the NFL has a pretty good program for catching that kind of stuff. So, uhh, at 28 years old is AJ Feeley going to break down his mechanics, his diet, his workout regiment, and everything in order to improve his game? He certainly doesn't appear interested. Or maybe he did do all that and that's why he is perfectly incapable of showing touch on any of his short passes whatsoever.

And whoever says Gus has no touch obviously has not been watching AJ drill balls at 100 mph into a runningbacks facemask that is 10 yards away from him. AJ doesn't even know what touch means.
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Everything you said I mutter to myself when I watch the games...I think alot of people are just going on the stats from games without looking at the game itself. I have seen a few times this year and alot last year where AJ completed 3 passes in a series and it didn't result in a first down...that is just unacceptable. Gus will suffer in the stats but he WILL take a chance down the field...AJ will not...I yell at the TV all the time...dump to the RB in the flat...for 3 yards..crazy...you put this all into words perfectly..THANK YOU
 
A freaking monkey can get lucky and make a few plays every now and then but because AJ managed to play on a team that upset the super bowl champion patriots, there's a contingent of people that insist this clown is a pro bowler waiting to happen.

No quarterback would be in the NFL if he didn't have the ability to make a play or two every now and then. "Flashes" of whatever the **** ya wanna call it mean jack squat in the NFL. That's the norm. Consistency and the ability to show focus and improve your mistakes...those are what separate the men from the boys. AJ is still just a boy.
 
oh god. this just had to become an AJ vs. Gus debate, didn't it? anyways, i appreciate the write-up CK.
 
bakedmatt said:
oh god. this just had to become an AJ vs. Gus debate, didn't it?
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Sigh...everything is, nowadays. At least I posted another thread about how our LTs have blanked every right defensive passrusher they've faced so far.

I sense another thread of mine about how we're getting the same defensive production, maybe better, while replacing 7 of 11 defensive starters.
 
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