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Observations for the Bucs Game.

Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.

Uh no Gus suks. AJ might to, but we KNOW Gus sucks. Inaccurate as heLL. Of course you are right none of the 10 to 15 yd overthrows are his fault tho. Keep writing huge posts in order to sell your biased qb comments as a factual based post. Comes down to this you like Gus better, fine, but it still is your opinion. Not a fact like you portray it. Making excuses why AJs play isnt good while Gus is spectacular is ridiculous 9 for 25 is 9 for 25 any way you cut and slice it and that aint good and that aint performing well no matter what spin you put on it, combine that with 6 for 18, 7 for 20 and then 9 for 25, you have a pattern. AJ playing 2nd teamers? Yep, there is a concern. But how is it anymore of a concern then Gus not hitting the broad side of a building?
 
rickeyrunsover said:
Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.

Uh no Gus suks. AJ might to, but we KNOW Gus sucks. Inaccurate as heLL. Of course you are right none of the 10 to 15 yd overthrows are his fault tho. Keep writing huge posts in order to sell your biased qb comments as a factual based post. Comes down to this you like Gus better, fine, but it still is your opinion. Not a fact like you portray it. Making excuses why AJs play isnt good while Gus is spectacular is ridiculous 9 for 25 is 9 for 25 any way you cut and slice it and that aint good and that aint performing well no matter what spin you put on it, combine that with 6 for 18, 7 for 20 and then 9 for 25, you have a pattern. AJ playing 2nd teamers? Yep, there is a concern. But how is it anymore of a concern then Gus not hitting the broad side of a building?
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finsnchips said:
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Shakeno? What? Your shakeno means I am wrong? Why are you the expert? Why is CK? That is my point thru the whole sarcasm.

I am not taking issue with anyone that feels Gus is teh better option. I am not. AJ hasnt made is so very clearr he is teh best option to make that argument moot. What my point is, is this notion that is out there that Gus is playing well, or making excuses, true excuses for his inaccuracy. It is a double standard that I am seeing in many fans. AJ overthrows a receiver, bad pass, Gus overthrows a receiver, bad route by teh receiver. AJ throws a pick, bad pass/decision, Gus throws a pick, bad route/miscommunication. Those are the hypocrisys in these posts. There are no attempts at objectivity. No there doesnt have to be, no people can have their biases. But so then can I. I am sorry but 6 for 18, 7 for 20, and 9 for 25 are not good and show a pattern. I dont like stats, but tell part of teh story. Last week they said it was drops, teh week before wh knows, but the above completion % from teh last 3 games is a pattern. A pattern of inaccuracy that has followed his career. Yes AJ has had his share of problems, but you have to admit his base for comparison is much smaller than Gus'.

All I am saying is judge AJ by the same rules you judge Gus.
 
rickeyrunsover said:
Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion; here's mine. Mr. Rickyrunsover, instead of berateing someone else's work, instead of derogatory and snide remarks why don't YOU produce a report. You've added absolutly nothing to the thread except divisiveness. You made no revelations and your comments have only one purpose and that is to disrupt this thread. I've never seen any of YOUR work put out here so people like you can shred it, does this mean you have nothing to offer except insults? I'm sure you have thoughts and comments, why not creat your OWN thread and see how everyone treats you. For whatever it is worth, I have been reading Chris' posts and threads for many years, long before I found Finheaven and no matter what, right or wrong at least HE has the nerve to put it out there. I don't, apparently you don't either. The least you can do is make your point without slamming the thread creator, surely you are clever enough to make your point civilly. So, please consider this sir, you are not a troll or a spammer so would it be so hard to be polite? thank you for your support.
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cnc66 said:
rickeyrunsover said:
Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion; here's mine. Mr. Rickyrunsover, instead of berateing someone else's work, instead of derogatory and snide remarks why don't YOU produce a report. You've added absolutly nothing to the thread except divisiveness. You made no revelations and your comments have only one purpose and that is to disrupt this thread. I've never seen any of YOUR work put out here so people like you can shred it, does this mean you have nothing to offer except insults? I'm sure you have thoughts and comments, why not creat your OWN thread and see how everyone treats you. For whatever it is worth, I have been reading Chris' posts and threads for many years, long before I found Finheaven and no matter what, right or wrong at least HE has the nerve to put it out there. I don't, apparently you don't either. The least you can do is make your point without slamming the thread creator, surely you are clever enough to make your point civilly. So, please consider this sir, you are not a troll or a spammer so would it be so hard to be polite? thank you for your support.
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thank you..

CK is a guy who's opinion is respected round here... he has expressed him opinions (which everyone is entitled to do) and has justified the reasons for those opinions... he hasnt turned round like most people and said 'AJ/Gus sux' (delete as appropriate).
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ckparrothead said:
And I don't know how anyone could look at that play and not conclude that the right tackle clearly reached out his arms and tripped Kevin Carter. Tampa is home to some of the biggest homers in the media that I've ever seen.

If I were Saban I'd be working those safeties in their deep zone ball coverage for the next few weeks. They need to be a lot smoother out there.

And personally, if I were Simeon Rice and got blocked in the run game by "Randy McDaniel" all night long in the running game and got taken out of short pass plays by runningbacks and tight ends all night without even a full LT on you, I wouldn't even show my face to a reporter.
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Your absolutely right, I also heard them yesterday say the penalty on Derrick Brooks was bogus, but a review of the film shows he clearly bumped the receiver past 5 yards.

They cannot stand losing to the Dolphins.
 
Wow! A lot of passion for so early in the morning. What bothers me the most, and I know it bugs all of you too, is that neither of these guys has separated himself from the other which is a little surprising considering that one of them has lived in the system a while. Unfortunately, living up here there isn't much Dolphin coverage but in the bits and pieces that I get to see, what I see is that neither of these guys has his mind right. It's almost like they're out there hoping not to throw an INT and/or hoping to be able to get into the end zone. They don't know they're gonna get there. Marino knew. Every time. You could see it in his eyes. A quarterback's eyes. It was unmistakable. He knew he could beat you. You could see it in every movement or gesture he made on the field. These guys need the Marino mindset. Or at least a lot more of it than they have now. And it's not like they can't see what he did and how he did it. Put a tape in once in a while! I'll bet there are a few kicking around DolphinLand. Then they can see: THIS is how you play quarterback. I know it sounds a little overly simplistic but who better to show them how it's done? Who better to study than Dan Marino? And, raw talent aside, getting their minds right would go a long way to getting them where they need to be.

OK. Rip me apart.:D
 
rickeyrunsover said:
Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.

Uh no Gus suks. AJ might to, but we KNOW Gus sucks. Inaccurate as heLL. Of course you are right none of the 10 to 15 yd overthrows are his fault tho. Keep writing huge posts in order to sell your biased qb comments as a factual based post. Comes down to this you like Gus better, fine, but it still is your opinion. Not a fact like you portray it. Making excuses why AJs play isnt good while Gus is spectacular is ridiculous 9 for 25 is 9 for 25 any way you cut and slice it and that aint good and that aint performing well no matter what spin you put on it, combine that with 6 for 18, 7 for 20 and then 9 for 25, you have a pattern. AJ playing 2nd teamers? Yep, there is a concern. But how is it anymore of a concern then Gus not hitting the broad side of a building?
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No need to argue the point on the QB issue. If Gus does not SERIOUSLY improve his accuracy by, say, the third game of the season then he WILL be replaced. Saban will have no choice, wouldnt matter if Marino were back there.

I also think Gus sucks. He has not shown me anything that would make me think he can lead this team. I hope his poor deep ball is a result of mis-timing w/ the starters...or perhaps the great first team defenses he has played against (as I have heard many times on this board). I don't believe it...but I hope it's true.

AJ...who knows? He showed the ability to get better last season and he is showing an ability to improve in this preseason as well. His deep ball (when he throws it) appears to be WAY more accurate then Gus's.

Something tells me that AJ will be leading this team by mid season. I hope and pray that I am wrong, but from what I have seen thus far we have nowhere to go but up w/ Gus behind center.

BTW, CK.... excellent write up as always!
 
CK good report.

If I remember correctly just a few days ago you were talking about how we need to judge Aj by the same rules as Gus. SO I'm not sure why your being bashed.

Keep your posts going.
 
Dbergan said:
No need to argue the point on the QB issue. If Gus does not SERIOUSLY improve his accuracy by, say, the third game of the season then he WILL be replaced. Saban will have no choice, wouldnt matter if Marino were back there.

I also think Gus sucks. He has not shown me anything that would make me think he can lead this team. I hope his poor deep ball is a result of mis-timing w/ the starters...or perhaps the great first team defenses he has played against (as I have heard many times on this board). I don't believe it...but I hope it's true.

AJ...who knows? He showed the ability to get better last season and he is showing an ability to improve in this preseason as well. His deep ball (when he throws it) appears to be WAY more accurate then Gus's.

Something tells me that AJ will be leading this team by mid season. I hope and pray that I am wrong, but from what I have seen thus far we have nowhere to go but up w/ Gus behind center.

BTW, CK.... excellent write up as always!
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I don't think that Feeley is throwing short out of neccessity, I think that he's been made, by Garret, to work on his short game because it's been a weakness throughout his career so far. We all know feeley can drill the 20 yard seam pass we know he can throw 33 yard TD passes on a rope with a mangled finger, what he can'ty do is throw a nice soft ball to a RB 5 yards away with any consistency. Even his last pass to Diamond the other night shows that he still needs to work on that part of his game. And what are we going to do with Ricky and Ronnie in the backfield at the same time if we don't have a QB that can get them the ball everytime? Gus knows where to go, gus physically can't get the job done, AJ doesn't know where to go but, physically he's accurate enough to do the job when he gets control of his velocity. That's what he's working on.
By the time Feeley has gus' knowledge, it may coincide with his developing his "new found touch" and suddenly we have the best of both QB worlds. A QB who not only knows the offense but, also has the ability to get the job done everytime.

So basically, yeah, he's going to take over after the bye week unless we're 2-1 or better.
 
CK - You didn't mention this in your writeup (which was very good IMO), but I loved it when Boston juked the defender and the defender grasped at air and landed on his belly. That play and the camera work were just awesome! For those of you who missed it and TiVO'd or taped the game, go back and look at it -- it'll be worth the effort. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly when in the game it happened.
 
I think the best way to look at our QB's is how they look in the pocket before they throw it.

AJ seems to look at his #1 WR in the play, and if it not there.....he dumps to RB or TE short. His head doesn't move more than once from the #1 to the safty outlet.

Gus in the pocket however has his head moving a lot. You can almost count his check downs. One....no, two....no, three.....deep, OK. And this whole time he moved up in the pocket, then slide to avoid a rush, and then unloaded.

I know Gus was 0-5 on deep throws Saturday night, but if he would've hit just one of them. A 20% completion percentage on deep throws, we would all be singing a different toon. And we would've scored. All 5 of those incompletions were TD's if I remember correctly. That means 5 TD's were within a grasp. How many of AJ's throws were within a grasp of a TD? (And I know, a couple of Gus's throws were way more off than a grasp, but you get the point.)

I was a big AJ supporter at the beginning of the season, and I am now. I wish AJ could start and get better, to at least be an option for us for a couple of seasons. But he is not better the Gus RIGHT NOW!
 
Muck said:
Gotta love Tampa. Last night their Sports Extra thingy was on. And JP Peterson said on that TD to Galloway, "We went back and checked the tape. There was absolutely no holding going on. Terrible call". :rolleyes: Carter was clearly tripped.
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That pissed me off when I heard that :yell: . Totally ridiculous.
 
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