Observations for the Bucs Game.

[rafael]

I think the best way to look at our QB's is how they look in the pocket before they throw it.

AJ seems to look at his #1 WR in the play, and if it not there.....he dumps to RB or TE short. His head doesn't move more than once from the #1 to the safty outlet.

Gus in the pocket however has his head moving a lot. You can almost count his check downs. One....no, two....no, three.....deep, OK. And this whole time he moved up in the pocket, then slide to avoid a rush, and then unloaded.

I know Gus was 0-5 on deep throws Saturday night, but if he would've hit just one of them. A 20% completion percentage on deep throws, we would all be singing a different toon. And we would've scored. All 5 of those incompletions were TD's if I remember correctly. That means 5 TD's were within a grasp. How many of AJ's throws were within a grasp of a TD? (And I know, a couple of Gus's throws were way more off than a grasp, but you get the point.)

I was a big AJ supporter at the beginning of the season, and I am now. I wish AJ could start and get better, to at least be an option for us for a couple of seasons. But he is not better the Gus RIGHT NOW!

I agree with most of that. It's shocking to me how many people have little to no understanding of how to analyze QB play. You can see that AJ almost never makes a read. He is going to throw it to his primary or dump off guy every time. It's the same thing he did last year and it's what he's doing now. Anybody who's watched the NFL for more than a season or two should realize that a guy who's been in the league 5 years and shows no feel is very unlikely to suddenly get it. I supported AJ when he got here. I had real high hopes, but after last season and watching tapes of some of his Philly games, I think his potential is very minimal. I think the coaching staff knows this. I don't expect that AJ will start unless there's an injury or maybe some motivational ploy by Saban. I figure AJ will be cut next season and we'll never hear from him again.

 

[MDFINFAN]

Better than Jay Fiedler is not better than Gus Frerotte. What I wrote about Feeley last offseason was relative to Jay Fiedler, which is to say AJ has way better physical tools than Jay does. But, so does Gus.

Yes, I've seen enough of AJ Feeley to know he's a system guy at best and this isn't and can't POSSIBLY be his "system" since he's only just learning it this training camp and preseason. Give him more time and this may become his system.

Where's the potential? I certainly don't see it. Gus has clearly outplayed Feeley in the preseason against first string defenses. AJ didn't even lead a scoring drive until he faced the Bucs' third and fourth string defenders! You call that good? You call that potential?

Wasted time on Gus is the same as wasted time on AJ as far as I'm concerned, except Gus actually gives us a better chance to win since he knows and believes in the system and has the balls to throw it deep 30% of the time even though he knows it will victimize his stats, because those repetitions and misses are going to be important when those deep shots start working. AJ is like Dave Wannstedt, no balls. Don't throw it deep because you know that it has a low chance of success. Yet, you can't increase that chance of success unless you increase your deep throw repetitions. AJ does not buy into this system when I watch him play, and having watched him play every single pro game he's ever played, in my opinion it is because he is not that kind of quarterback. He wants to be back in the west coast offense.

You derailed with the Manning comparison MD, because Manning looked like a player from the moment he started playing as a rookie. He threw for like more TDs and yards than any other rookie in NFL history if I remember right, he just also threw a ton of interceptions too. He grew out of that but you could tell the talent was there. Same was true of Favre. The talent is not there for AJ. It just is not. Brees was a completely special case. Know why? He's literally changed his physical makeup. His weakness has always been his armstrength. He broke down his pass mechanics, his diet, his workouts, and everything about his game and came away with literally 20% more velocity on his throws. Quite frankly, he's no longer the Drew Brees of the first three years in the league. I would flat out accuse him of being on steroids except supposedly the NFL has a pretty good program for catching that kind of stuff. So, uhh, at 28 years old is AJ Feeley going to break down his mechanics, his diet, his workout regiment, and everything in order to improve his game? He certainly doesn't appear interested. Or maybe he did do all that and that's why he is perfectly incapable of showing touch on any of his short passes whatsoever.

And whoever says Gus has no touch obviously has not been watching AJ drill balls at 100 mph into a runningbacks facemask that is 10 yards away from him. AJ doesn't even know what touch means.

CK, Manning was the feature QB on Indy, no looking over his shoulders, he came in knowing that, didn't have to play it safe, AJ has been looking over his shoulders the whole time he's been here. I love the guys arm...I don't blame him for his bad habits last year as he didn't have any time to throw. Gus gives us nothing more except he knows the O, but if AJ plays he will know the O too at some point..Of course Gus is the more knowledgable one at this point, he knows the freaken O. So even you would be cool and calm, and I disagree, Gus has not looked better than AJ this PS, the stats, looking at his games, watching his throws, and I've replay the games too..he has not impressed me enough for someone who has that much experience and knows this O that well, it's rediculous that AJ is even close and heaven knows he doesn't have the amount of experience and defintely doesn't know this O as well, but he's growing, can you say Gus is growing, NO. That's how I measure potential. The ability to show improving each time your on the field. Gus has shown none, AJ has, and even stubborn you have to admit that. You see AJ look from one receiver to the other, that in itself is improve from someone who locked on, but I notice even Gus locks on...but my understanding is that Lineman system sometimes allows for them to only read a part of the field, so when you guys are blasting AJ for locking on, he may in fact be doing what he's support to, since we don't know the play book... You guys wouldn't let Bret Farve be BF with your type of analysis, he would have never develope under some of the ppl on this board, neither would Brees using you guys analysis. And you weren't just comparing AJ to Fielder last year, your analysis was about AJ's potential as a QB, not just the competition thing..and you weren't wrong, he just hasn't had the supporting cast nor the reps with the 1st team this PS...GUS HAS all that from game 2...prior to that AJ and Gus split reps, and even with all the garbage, Gus has done no better with the 1st, so you can't even compare what AJ does with the 1st to Gus, since AJ hasn't had many opps with the 1st, get your facts straight on that one. You guys just want to win now and not developed a QB....so since AJ isn't as experience and make rookie type mistakes, bypass him....bad decision. So when we draft a QB, will you guys be patient with him, because Gus is going to look better than him PS..what then? You throw the new draftee in to learn.....of course not, Gus looks better so play him.
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[ckparrothead]

CK, Manning was the feature QB on Indy, no looking over his shoulders, he came in knowing that, didn't have to play it safe, AJ has been looking over his shoulders the whole time he's been here.

If a quarterback can't perform well while knowing he's got someone behind him pushing him for playing time, that quarterback isn't worth a damn in the NFL, PERIOD. If he can't handle a guy vying for his job, how is he going to handle the weight of having to win the game in the fourth quarter? The only drawback to competition at the quarterback position is reps, you split the reps and you might not be giving a guy the opportunity for improvement that he would have if he's the lone starter.

I love the guys arm...I don't blame him for his bad habits last year as he didn't have any time to throw.

I blame him if those are the same bad habits he displayed during his playing time in Philadelphia, and even in during his college days.

Gus gives us nothing more except he knows the O, but if AJ plays he will know the O too at some point..

'At some point' means we will have played a certain number of games with a quarterback that is not as good as the one sitting on the bench. I'm not willing to do that, considering the fact that neither of them are our future.

Of course Gus is the more knowledgable one at this point, he knows the Frecking O. So even you would be cool and calm, and I disagree, Gus has not looked better than AJ this PS, the stats, looking at his games, watching his throws, and I've replay the games too..he has not impressed me enough for someone who has that much experience and knows this O that well, it's rediculous that AJ is even close and heaven knows he doesn't have the amount of experience and defintely doesn't know this O as well, but he's growing, can you say Gus is growing, NO.

After first receiving this playbook probably in March or February, I would hope that A.J. knows the offense well enough by now to make it so that the gap in knowledge between Gus and AJ is not "ridiculous" Saban said it best, whoever has played against the second and third string defenses has played best. Gus looked far better than AJ in the Bears game...against the second string. Gus looked better against the Jags' first string than AJ looked against their second string. AJ looked better against the Steelers second string than Gus did against their first string (which happens to be one of the best defenses in the league bar none). Production. Gus has produced 20 points against mostly first string defenses. AJ has produced 10 points against mostly second and third string guys.

That's how I measure potential. The ability to show improving each time your on the field. Gus has shown none, AJ has, and even stubborn you have to admit that.

Easy to improve when you're facing substandard competition. AJ went from facing the first string Bears defense, to facing the second string Jags defense and actually looked WORST against the second stringers. Then he looked slightly better against the Steelers second string, and looked much better against the Bucs' third and fourth string. The pattern here is not so much improvement by AJ, as the competition getting easier. If you look at his play, analyze it, you see he still does the same things that make him unsuccessful against the first string. For a guy that has blatant problems with his touch on short passes, with his tendency to lock onto receivers, and with his game management, he has made ZERO improvement on those factors. His halftime clock management against the Steelers was one of the worst cases I have EVER SEEN. EVER. You call that improvement?

You see AJ look from one receiver to the other, that in itself is improve from someone who locked on, but I notice even Gus locks on...but my understanding is that Lineman system sometimes allows for them to only read a part of the field, so when you guys are blasting AJ for locking on, he may in fact be doing what he's support to, since we don't know the play book... You guys wouldn't let Bret Farve be BF with your type of analysis, he would have never develope under some of the ppl on this board, neither would Brees using you guys analysis. And you weren't just comparing AJ to Fielder last year, your analysis was about AJ's potential as a QB, not just the competition thing..and you weren't wrong, he just hasn't had the supporting cast nor the reps with the 1st team this PS...GUS HAS all that from game 2...prior to that AJ and Gus split reps, and even with all the garbage, Gus has done no better with the 1st, so you can't even compare what AJ does with the 1st to Gus, since AJ hasn't had many opps with the 1st, get your facts straight on that one. You guys just want to win now and not developed a QB....so since AJ isn't as experience and make rookie type mistakes, bypass him....bad decision. So when we draft a QB, will you guys be patient with him, because Gus is going to look better than him PS..what then? You throw the new draftee in to learn.....of course not, Gus looks better so play him.
:shakeno:

Again, I just have to say. AJ is 28 years old. He's been in the NFL for 5 years already. The comparisons with some other great quarterback that needed a few years to develop need to STOP. AJ is beyond that. If he has not developed enough to BLOW AWAY Gus Frerotte in this quarterback competition, I believe I can say without a doubt that he's never going to be a marquee name at quarterback unless he sits his bruised @ss in a system for 3 years and learns the personnel and system through and through, and then gets a lucky injury break and some easy opponents. No, you know what, not even then. I've seen the dude play. When you evaluate the tape you see some of the things he does wrong. When I evaluated his tape and came away thinking he was better than Fiedler and had a chance to be a good QB, I assumed that he'd make PROGRESS over the bad habits.

He's made none, and those tapes are 3 years old now.

 

[MDFINFAN]

If a quarterback can't perform well while knowing he's got someone behind him pushing him for playing time, that quarterback isn't worth a damn in the NFL, PERIOD. If he can't handle a guy vying for his job, how is he going to handle the weight of having to win the game in the fourth quarter? The only drawback to competition at the quarterback position is reps, you split the reps and you might not be giving a guy the opportunity for improvement that he would have if he's the lone starter.

Took you long enough to reponse
Now to business: When a QB has no support of his coaching staff, it's very hard to relax and play good football, humans tend to over think every when faced with the proprosition that if I screw up one thing, I'm a gonner. In this case AJ, led the 1st team down field in the Chicago game, he then hits a wide open D. Thompson at the 10 who could have skipped into the endzone after the catch, but the WR drops the ball and thus no points, I'd say AJ read the D correctly hit the right WR, didn't over throw like another QB I won't mention, and you blame him for not getting the 1st O in the endzone. That my friend is BS. Did Gus get the 1st team into the endzone that game, nope, and he got to play with the 1st team in the 1st quarter. Another thing about this 1st team, 2nd team business, again BS, these are supposed to be the best of the best, and then the best of those best are supposively what's left when the teams cut down to the 53 man roster. So throw that argument out the window. Out of all the college players and FA's available these are the guys on the field...1000's of other have already been sent home, without being drafted, signed, looked at or otherwise. Despite all this AJ has played well for the underdog.

I blame him if those are the same bad habits he displayed during his playing time in Philadelphia, and even in during his college days.

Your own analysis didn't mention happy feet, forced throws when you did your thing on him last year..and as the OL blocks better, I see him settling down and playing better, I haven't seen that with your other QB, he's moves in the pocket and throws off the mark because he's afraid to take a sack, according to him. Well if he stands there and make the throw instead worrying about sacks, he might hit someone, but the reports in camps say he's always off on the deep throw, he supposively have a better mid range to short pass, it seem AJ uses these better to get down the field and sustain drives.

'At some point' means we will have played a certain number of games with a quarterback that is not as good as the one sitting on the bench. I'm not willing to do that, considering the fact that neither of them are our future.

No, we would play a certain number of games with a QB who is not as verse as the one on the bench in this O, but who has the better upside and ceiling, shown so far by the improvement in play vs the other, who imho, won't be the one sitting on the bench, unfortunely.

After first receiving this playbook probably in March or February, I would hope that A.J. knows the offense well enough by now to make it so that the gap in knowledge between Gus and AJ is not "ridiculous" Saban said it best, whoever has played against the second and third string defenses has played best. Gus looked far better than AJ in the Bears game...against the second string. Gus looked better against the Jags' first string than AJ looked against their second string. AJ looked better against the Steelers second string than Gus did against their first string (which happens to be one of the best defenses in the league bar none). Production. Gus has produced 20 points against mostly first string defenses. AJ has produced 10 points against mostly second and third string guys.

As Saban has said the QB who played 2nd has looked the best. AJ has played 1st in only one game and that's chicago, so according to Saban, AJ has looked the best the rest of the way..an improving and gaining confidence type of QB I think were the words. So according to the coach, Gus played better than AJ in PS game 1, I think the missed catch by DT, derailed AJ in that one..but to each his own, then Mare slipped and missed the FG....so yes AJ got no points in that game, but seeing how our OL was playing, don't you think it's a miracle that he got the team down in scoring position? So lets recap, the HC and I think AJ played better than Gus in 3 of the 4 PS games. I've already addressed the 2nd and 3rd teams thing.

Easy to improve when you're facing substandard competition. AJ went from facing the first string Bears defense, to facing the second string Jags defense and actually looked WORST against the second stringers. Then he looked slightly better against the Steelers second string, and looked much better against the Bucs' third and fourth string. The pattern here is not so much improvement by AJ, as the competition getting easier. If you look at his play, analyze it, you see he still does the same things that make him unsuccessful against the first string. For a guy that has blatant problems with his touch on short passes, with his tendency to lock onto receivers, and with his game management, he has made ZERO improvement on those factors. His halftime clock management against the Steelers was one of the worst cases I have EVER SEEN. EVER. You call that improvement?

The best of the best is not substandard, and if he was like you said, he shoudn't be improving at all..but the fact that he's playing better than what you call substandard and beating them, saids he's better than the #2's and 3's....that's good..he now need to tackle the #1's just for you to show that he may have improved against them..certainly the other QB hasn't improved against them.

Again, I just have to say. AJ is 28 years old. He's been in the NFL for 5 years already. The comparisons with some other great quarterback that needed a few years to develop need to STOP. AJ is beyond that. If he has not developed enough to BLOW AWAY Gus Frerotte in this quarterback competition, I believe I can say without a doubt that he's never going to be a marquee name at quarterback unless he sits his bruised @ss in a system for 3 years and learns the personnel and system through and through, and then gets a lucky injury break and some easy opponents. No, you know what, not even then. I've seen the dude play. When you evaluate the tape you see some of the things he does wrong. When I evaluated his tape and came away thinking he was better than Fiedler and had a chance to be a good QB, I assumed that he'd make PROGRESS over the bad habits.

He's made none, and those tapes are 3 years old now.

The comparison can't stop if a person isn't allowed to develope like the greats..I can say if you're behind in knowledge and experience, but can play close at this point of the season to Gus, you should be the one going forward to start the season and continue to see how high of a ceiling you can obtain, but that's me, I know Saban will start Gus in game 1 if not for the year and thus we're never know how good AJ could have been and yes that will keep this discussion going, because no one really knows..including you.. And I disagree and I see improving in AJ where you deny it.

 

[PhinBeck]

Wow CK said Gus is better that solves it. No need to worry about performance, Gus is better no matter how bad he performs. I mean Saban himself said that the qb comp is nopt solved but hey that must have changed cause CK said said Gus is better.
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion; here's mine. Mr. Rickyrunsover, instead of berateing someone else's work, instead of derogatory and snide remarks why don't YOU produce a report. You've added absolutly nothing to the thread except divisiveness. You made no revelations and your comments have only one purpose and that is to disrupt this thread. I've never seen any of YOUR work put out here so people like you can shred it, does this mean you have nothing to offer except insults? I'm sure you have thoughts and comments, why not creat your OWN thread and see how everyone treats you. For whatever it is worth, I have been reading Chris' posts and threads for many years, long before I found Finheaven and no matter what, right or wrong at least HE has the nerve to put it out there. I don't, apparently you don't either. The least you can do is make your point without slamming the thread creator, surely you are clever enough to make your point civilly. So, please consider this sir, you are not a troll or a spammer so would it be so hard to be polite? thank you for your support.

LOL! Ok mister sensitive. Funny how you seem to think that little phrasing Ck put in about AJ was an objective report. Course you would since you agree with him. See if you actually read the comment there was absolutely nothing objective about it. His whole report is an objective assessment based on play as they happened, until you get to AJ. Then he portrays his opinion as a matter of fact framing. Sorry read right thru it and it was a shot. An objective opinion would be that AJ played well, scored some points but it comes with some concern as it was against the second or third team so it would transllate to a 1st team is still in debate. That is a "report" on teh actual play.


Yes he is entitled to his opinion and yes CK is an intelligent poster, where did I say anything diff? But the qb debate is a polarized debate where each side has dug in their heels. It is not an objective debate. Sorry not really caring if you like it. That is how it reads.

 

[inFINSible]

Took you long enough to reponse
Now to business: When a QB has no support of his coaching staff, it's very hard to relax and play good football, humans tend to over think every when faced with the proprosition that if I screw up one thing, I'm a gonner. In this case AJ, led the 1st team down field in the Chicago game, he then hits a wide open D. Thompson at the 10 who could have skipped into the endzone after the catch, but the WR drops the ball and thus no points, I'd say AJ read the D correctly hit the right WR, didn't over throw like another QB I won't mention, and you blame him for not getting the 1st O in the endzone. That my friend is BS. Did Gus get the 1st team into the endzone that game, nope, and he got to play with the 1st team in the 1st quarter. Another thing about this 1st team, 2nd team business, again BS, these are supposed to be the best of the best, and then the best of those best are supposively what's left when the teams cut down to the 53 man roster. So throw that argument out the window. Out of all the college players and FA's available these are the guys on the field...1000's of other have already been sent home, without being drafted, signed, looked at or otherwise. Despite all this AJ has played well for the underdog.



Your own analysis didn't mention happy feet, forced throws when you did your thing on him last year..and as the OL blocks better, I see him settling down and playing better, I haven't seen that with your other QB, he's moves in the pocket and throws off the mark because he's afraid to take a sack, according to him. Well if he stands there and make the throw instead worrying about sacks, he might hit someone, but the reports in camps say he's always off on the deep throw, he supposively have a better mid range to short pass, it seem AJ uses these better to get down the field and sustain drives.



No, we would play a certain number of games with a QB who is not as verse as the one on the bench in this O, but who has the better upside and ceiling, shown so far by the improvement in play vs the other, who imho, won't be the one sitting on the bench, unfortunely.


As Saban has said the QB who played 2nd has looked the best. AJ has played 1st in only one game and that's chicago, so according to Saban, AJ has looked the best the rest of the way..an improving and gaining confidence type of QB I think were the words. So according to the coach, Gus played better than AJ in PS game 1, I think the missed catch by DT, derailed AJ in that one..but to each his own, then Mare slipped and missed the FG....so yes AJ got no points in that game, but seeing how our OL was playing, don't you think it's a miracle that he got the team down in scoring position? So lets recap, the HC and I think AJ played better than Gus in 3 of the 4 PS games. I've already addressed the 2nd and 3rd teams thing.



The best of the best is not substandard, and if he was like you said, he shoudn't be improving at all..but the fact that he's playing better than what you call substandard and beating them, saids he's better than the #2's and 3's....that's good..he now need to tackle the #1's just for you to show that he may have improved against them..certainly the other QB hasn't improved against them.





The comparison can't stop if a person isn't allowed to develope like the greats..I can say if you're behind in knowledge and experience, but can play close at this point of the season to Gus, you should be the one going forward to start the season and continue to see how high of a ceiling you can obtain, but that's me, I know Saban will start Gus in game 1 if not for the year and thus we're never know how good AJ could have been and yes that will keep this discussion going, because no one really knows..including you.. And I disagree and I see improving in AJ where you deny it.

I agree with every word...

AJ had three years in a WCO, one year in A Wannstedt offense..(need I say more?)...and now one preseason in a real vertical offense and he's supposed to have "reached his prime" by now....What??

Who was supposed to make him better last year? Who was supposed to teach him how to be a QB in a new offense? Our OC last year?? Which one?? Dave Wannstedt?? Has ever made anyone better?? last year should be simply erased, it meant nothing and probably set AJ back if it did anything at all for his ability to play in this league.

He's had ONE preseason in a totally new offense and some think he should easily beat a 12 year veteran who has been playing in the same offense for two years....but, you'll never convince them that it's anybody but AJ's fault that he is improving so slowly.

 

[ckparrothead]

I'm done with this argument. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I've analyzed too much of game play to continue to argue what is plain to me as the sky is blue.

 

[PhinBeck]

And dont even bother with the Aj lovers who vehemently attack people on this site for stating their opionion. They're militant because theyre annoyed Saban and the team agree with the people who believe Gus has performed better so far.

LOL Where has Saban said Gus has performed better? See you gusketeers are sitting there acting as if you are genuinely being objective while us Lovers as you call us are venomous and cant see the truth. LMAO yes you can have your opinion. It is when you act as if your opinion is fact that it is responded to.

Gus has performed like sh*t. 6 for 18, 7 for 20 qnd 9 for 25 isnt good no matter how you excuse it off. That is teh argument. You make sh*t up because you dont like AJ. Read Sabans comments he is clearly disappointed that Gus hasnt taken teh reigns since he was named starter.

No that doesnt mean AJ has either. And if you have read you would know that many of us lovers dont think AJ jas solidified his position as the starter, rather we think he has shown that he has made progress and deserves a shot against teh 1st team, w/ our first team to see if he can do it against starters.

I respectfully point out that when you factor everything in, Saban is not confident in either right now. He CLEARLy isnt satisfied with Guis play, he plainly said it. If the Gusketeers choose to ignore it, we wil continue to point it out.

 

[PhinBeck]

I'm done with this argument. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I've analyzed too much of game play to continue to argue what is plain to me as the sky is blue.

CK I will put my sarcasm aside. What is clear as sky to you isnt facts. It is your perception. That is fine. If Gus went 12 or so and 18 vs. Jax, then 7 for 20 against Pitt and 15 for 25 against TB then I would buy teh drops and timing defense for him. But his accuracy has gotten worse since he has started. I am sorry but to me that is as big of a concern as AJ playing against backups is. 9 for 25 is bad any way you slice it. an off teh finger tips overthrow is a timing issue, not a 15 yard overthrow. I could one or two, but there were several.

I also am not sold that the progress AJ has made is enough yet, due to playing against backups, the checkdown on many passes. But there is progress IMO. He looked more comfortable under pressure, not scared the last 2 games. He didnt force teh ball to his first option and took what was there. Yes he needs to find more options down field, biut who that wont happen? He started doing more in the TB game from teh Pitt game. The pass to Farmer for teh TD was on 3rd and 21 and he was under pressure, but he stepped up and made a good throw. Positives. Now liek I said I dont know that means he is ready or not, but he deserves a shot where you can compare apples to apples.

By the way, Gus' best performance this preseason came against Chicago and he was playing against backups.

 

[ckparrothead]

CK I will put my sarcasm aside. What is clear as sky to you isnt facts. It is your perception. That is fine. If Gus went 12 or so and 18 vs. Jax, then 7 for 20 against Pitt and 15 for 25 against TB then I would buy teh drops and timing defense for him. But his accuracy has gotten worse since he has started. I am sorry but to me that is as big of a concern as AJ playing against backups is. 9 for 25 is bad any way you slice it. an off teh finger tips overthrow is a timing issue, not a 15 yard overthrow. I could one or two, but there were several.

I also am not sold that the progress AJ has made is enough yet, due to playing against backups, the checkdown on many passes. But there is progress IMO. He looked more comfortable under pressure, not scared the last 2 games. He didnt force teh ball to his first option and took what was there. Yes he needs to find more options down field, biut who that wont happen? He started doing more in the TB game from teh Pitt game. The pass to Farmer for teh TD was on 3rd and 21 and he was under pressure, but he stepped up and made a good throw. Positives. Now liek I said I dont know that means he is ready or not, but he deserves a shot where you can compare apples to apples.

By the way, Gus' best performance this preseason came against Chicago and he was playing against backups.

Why are you arguing with me. I just said I'm done with this and that everyone is entitled to his own opinion. Quit forcing your "perception" onto me when I've reviewed the film what seems like a hundred times and managed to come up with my own "perception" which happens to be clear as day to me. Let a capitulator capitulate.

 

[PhinBeck]

Why are you arguing with me. I just said I'm done with this and that everyone is entitled to his own opinion. Quit forcing your "perception" onto me when I've reviewed the film what seems like a hundred times and managed to come up with my own "perception" which happens to be clear as day to me. Let a capitulator capitulate.

LOL I wasnt arguing with you. I was trying to discuss it. Nor was I forcing my "perception" on you. You are entitled to your opinion. But they are that Opinions.

 

[jaxdolfan]

Ck, what is your training that allows you to understand so much about the mechanics of the game?

And do you really use that naturally speaking software?

 

[ckparrothead]

Ck, what is your training that allows you to understand so much about the mechanics of the game?

And do you really use that naturally speaking software?

 

[LithoMan]

Vernon Carey has always been a great pass blocker, and crappy run blocker. He has always been a technique guy, even at Miami U. I dont know where people always thought he was some stellar stud that run blocked well. And was some overpowering Tackle. He was always a finese and technique guy. Period. All, I know where, the draft reports that came out in February and March of 04. Thats right. Oh, but people never listen to them draft "gurus", nooooooo, never.

 

[jaxdolfan]

Seriosly. What? I've been watching football for 30 years and cant tell if some guy is using bad technique.

Do you slow the tape and watch over and over or something?