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Observations for the Bucs Game.

nice job ck, i was waiting for observations for that game, nice read after 11 hours at work :up:


question...can we expect a write up like this after every regular season game too ? :)
 
jaxdolfan said:
Seriosly. What? I've been watching football for 30 years and cant tell if some guy is using bad technique.

Do you slow the tape and watch over and over or something?
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Of course you have to tape it, and then go over the plays. But, once you see their weakness, thats all you ever need to watch for them to improve. We do ours before the draft, so when these guys hit the NFL, all you have to do is see how their weaknesses progress, if there is any progression. Some guys are too stupid to ever learn, no matter how good of coaching you give em.
 
Plain as sky, but you think Vernon Carey is anything more then a technique guy, that pass blocks well? Huh? Say what?
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Actually I've been very candid with my assessment that Vernon Carey is a fantastic and dominant pass protector who doesn't make mistakes at left tackle, but only a "pretty good" run blocker who seems like he merely fills his assignments but doesn't really get after people or make a huge impact with his run blocking. If you want proof, I'll find you a link or two to threads that I've started. Say what? :rolleyes:

Seriosly. What? I've been watching football for 30 years and cant tell if some guy is using bad technique.

Do you slow the tape and watch over and over or something?
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First off, to your second question, yes. When I study film I study it, I don't just watch the game passively and pretend that I can see exactly what all 11 (or 22) men on the field are doing and how well they are doing it and what they are supposed to do. You concentrate on certain sections of the game play, and I will say that getting the chance to evaluate wide receivers and corners is relatively rare since the screen doesn't usually flash onto them until it is too late. Not impossible though, just more difficult. The OL and DL are easy though, they are ALWAYS in the middle of the action. A DVR unit helps. So does downloading the games onto your computer.

As to your first question, you're like a guy hearing me play stairway to heaven on the guitar and skeptical that I'm actually playing stairway just because I haven't had any formal training. A little innate talent never hurts, but mostly it's just rolling up your sleeves, practicing it, and doing a little homework. I don't pretend that I'm as good at this as professional scouts.
 
LithoMan said:
Of course you have to tape it, and then go over the plays. But, once you see their weakness, thats all you ever need to watch for them to improve. We do ours before the draft, so when these guys hit the NFL, all you have to do is see how their weaknesses progress, if there is any progression. Some guys are too stupid to ever learn, no matter how good of coaching you give em.
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You're right for the most part. But if you're watching evolving game play you should not just be looking out for the weaknesses and whether he is improving on them. You need to be on the look out for strengths and whether they are degrading, and also be on the lookout for new "talents" or "weapons" or whatever you want to call it that can outweigh the weaknesses that are failing to improve.
 
He got that first string job locked up the moment he was drafted, so long as he didn't start running over kids and babysitters with his car.
 
LithoMan, just wondering. Were you taking issue with my evaluations of Carey? I can't remember calling Carey a dominant run blocker. I know I have probably called him a dominant Left Tackle but that definition to me mainly involves pass protection not run blocking.

In fact, if you look at observation #3 of the initial post of this thread, I say...

3. Vernon Carey is not as good a RT as he is a LT, curiously enough he can actually struggle with the bullrush of LDEs, and he is not as inspiring a run blocker as he is a pass protector, at least not yet.
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ckparrothead said:
You're right for the most part. But if you're watching evolving game play you should not just be looking out for the weaknesses and whether he is improving on them. You need to be on the look out for strengths and whether they are degrading, and also be on the lookout for new "talents" or "weapons" or whatever you want to call it that can outweigh the weaknesses that are failing to improve.
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I'll just answer your questions here. I was just stating to you, that you seemed to think Carey was gonna be a dominate stud tackle, at the Pro Level. When observing Carey at MU, the one thing about Carey, he was always in position, always on his marks. But one thing about the big guy, he would never get after the end. He would get his arms extended, but never really chase the end. He had awesome technique, but not "mad" fever. He lacked the passion. He never finished the guy off.

I look at it this way. I dont think I should have to keep an eye on a guy to see if he is declining. Point being, you take a guy like Courtney Brown, awesome left end. Then you get a dipsheet like Butch Davis, who tryies to put Courtney at right end. Courtney has always played left end, now he is going against what made him special at PSU. Some guys arent ambidextrious. If a coach aint smart enough to notice that, then I dont fault the player.

But, I understand your point. And, I do agree, that is the one thing me and my buddy ***** about too. When we are watching, it is very hard to get a good look at the secondary and WR 's. ESPN does a decent job, better then most, but they like getting to the play late, because of their jiving. None of em do an excellent job, some better then others. But, they all have their faults.

You definately need slow motion. We use a high quality gold VHS on short play, so when pausing, you dont get the filter lines in the screen. Well, I should say, my buddy, he has perfected the process, thats for sure. We get pretty good looks at the plays. He pretty damn smart on players, and has taught me alot. And, yes, by the way, he has coached before. Before I get the snide remarks, "If you know so much, go get a job in the NFL". Funny thing is, people that dont pay attention, think it is such an overwhelming thing to evaluate talent. Far from it, it is pretty simple, once you understand what to look for.
 
ckparrothead said:
I'm done with this argument. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I've analyzed too much of game play to continue to argue what is plain to me as the sky is blue.
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Hellova post man! I agree with most, if not all, of what you wrote. This is even from someone who doesn't necessarily care for either QB (which drives some of the ppl crazy on this board, BTW).

I, for one, am willing to sit back and let Saban make the decisions regarding who starts and who doesn't. I really don't think he gives a rats azz what any of us think anyways.

Glad you mentioned Randy "Mc Daniels" all pro blocking effort that nite. I was in shock :eek: . I don't believe that I have ever seen that out of him. Maybe Uncle Nick had a heart to heart with him after the Pitt game.:lol:

Keep up the great reporting... BTW is that your profession? If not, you might want to make a career change.:D
 
ckparrothead said:
I'm done with this argument. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I've analyzed too much of game play to continue to argue what is plain to me as the sky is blue.
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Well it was a good argument, and we need to sometimes flush out our thoughts on a situation..and you're right sometimes ppl see things differently. I don't see a good QB in Gus and don't think he outplayed AJ, if he did, I would defintely agree with you..even though I support AJ, I won't lie and say something different just to do it, I would give Gus his do if I truely felt he played that much better than AJ. I just don't think he's played well enough, AJ is way too close in play at this point of learning the system. Remember Gus 3 years, AJ, just this offseason..You over analyzed and this time I didn't agree with you. Generally I agree with most of what you say, and the rest of your report I pretty much did, until I got to this portion and that's the portion I decided to question you on. Gus will be the better QB in the short term because of his knowledge, but I think that stuns AJ's grow because he won't be getting the reps to grow..but such is life, Gus is the starter and I will support him come the regular season..but I'll have my arguements as well for developing the younger guy and see if he can in fact carry this team for a year and show improvement in each game.
 
Just one of those things, I cant argue it anymore cuz its obvious I am taking for granted certain things that you are not, and the other way around.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't. A QB change at the present is the last thing needed. Frerotte needs the repetitions to make sure the deep shots begin working. AJ Feeley, for the most part, doesn't even have the guts during games to take those deep shots because he's so eager to prove he's better than Gus and not eager to see those incompletions on his record. Feeley played his way out of this starting job a while ago. The coaches aren't babysitters, and they don't have a responsibility to hold anyone's hand while they get use to things. They have a responsibility ONLY to get the best QB play possible, they do not have a responsibility to make things all fair and equal and lovey-dovey in the QB race.

And as for seeing the same mistakes as last year, yes. All of them. He stares down receivers, he shows little or no touch on short passes, and he does not take enough shots deep. Some offenses, that will work. Some offenses, it won't.
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Good analysis overall though I disagree with the QB analysis. I have watched AJ this preaseason and even in the first game against the Bears I saw improvement in all facets of his game. I think you're still judging him by last year when no QB wouldve looked good. Maybe Gus will start though I think its AJ's to lose now but I'll tell you this - if AJ starts he will be much improved from last season and it will be obvious to everyone
 
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