Ochocinco vs Marshall stat comparison

[Fins1971]

I just don't get the love affair some have with BM. I was excited when we aquired him from Denver. But after his arrival I was quickly dissapointed.
Gone were the 2 TD days like he had to beat the Patriots as a Bronco. Instead we get a selfish player who is worried about stats instead of winning.

In fact in his whole tenure as a Dolphin you could say that he contributed to 1 win with his TD catch ability. It was a 10-6 win against the Jets late in his 1st year.
He had 2 catches for 16 yards that day but atleast effected the scoreboard. That was the day Sanchez was bloddy horrible and the 1 TD ended up being enough.
Of the other measily 8 TD catches over 2 years none were game winners. Most were garbage td's when we were behind and 2 were when we were way ahead anyway and didn't need them.
So even though he put up yards he never really affected the outcome of the games imo. Garbage TD's and garbage yards.

Now the question is can 85 replace him and his production. While I don't think 85 can match the yardage and catch totals I have confidence that he can beat the 4.5 TD's per year average that Marshall had as a Dolphin. And 85 can do it with less balls thrown his way. Which should leave more chances for our other receivers.


I did a stat comparison of 85 vs BM for their 1st 6 years in the league and 85 was better than BM in his prime.

Ochocinco

466 receptions for 6925 yards 14.9 average with 41 TD's and 4 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

OK. we aren't getting 85 in his prime and I realize that. So lets do a comparision of BM career numbers vs 85 over the same period 2006-2011 when 85 was starting to decline.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Ochocinco

387 recpetions for 5503 yards 14.2 average with 33 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Not alot of difference there. So a washed up 85 can still score as much as BM. When 85 first arrived I was skeptical that he could improve our roster.
But after hearing how is doing I have faith that he can alteast replace the minimal amount of TD's that BM provided while he was here.

 

[DDTDON]

Very impressive. Hopefully, 85 has a comeback season and produces for us. Good job!!

 

[Zounds]

How many drops and YAC did each have? With these receivers, we know they can produce when they show up, but I'd be interested in seeing how many mistakes they make or what they do after they have the ball. Anyone can be thrown at 100 times a season, but what do they make the most of it?

 

[nyjunc]

I just don't get the love affair some have with BM. I was excited when we aquired him from Denver. But after his arrival I was quickly dissapointed.
Gone were the 2 TD days like he had to beat the Patriots as a Bronco. Instead we get a selfish player who is worried about stats instead of winning.

In fact in his whole tenure as a Dolphin you could say that he contributed to 1 win with his TD catch ability. It was a 10-6 win against the Jets late in his 1st year.
He had 2 catches for 16 yards that day but atleast effected the scoreboard. That was the day Sanchez was bloddy horrible and the 1 TD ended up being enough.
Of the other measily 8 TD catches over 2 years none were game winners. Most were garbage td's when we were behind and 2 were when we were way ahead anyway and didn't need them.
So even though he put up yards he never really affected the outcome of the games imo. Garbage TD's and garbage yards.

Now the question is can 85 replace him and his production. While I don't think 85 can match the yardage and catch totals I have confidence that he can beat the 4.5 TD's per year average that Marshall had as a Dolphin. And 85 can do it with less balls thrown his way. Which should leave more chances for our other receivers.


I did a stat comparison of 85 vs BM for their 1st 6 years in the league and 85 was better than BM in his prime.

Ochocinco

466 receptions for 6925 yards 14.9 average with 41 TD's and 4 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

OK. we aren't getting 85 in his prime and I realize that. So lets do a comparision of BM career numbers vs 85 over the same period 2006-2011 when 85 was starting to decline.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Ochocinco

387 recpetions for 5503 yards 14.2 average with 33 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Not alot of difference there. So a washed up 85 can still score as much as BM. When 85 first arrived I was skeptical that he could improve our roster.
But after hearing how is doing I have faith that he can alteast replace the minimal amount of TD's that BM provided while he was here.

2006-2011 Chad still had big years, his decline has been in the last 2 seasons where he scored 5 total TDs and only caught 82 balls. Chad in his prime was a playmaker, Marshall is an excellent possession WR. Can Chad have a bounce back year? I think it's possible but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

I expect Chad to contribute a lot more than he did in New England, but that's not saying much. He'll probably be our most productive WR. What that looks like? I'm hopeful, not optimistic.

 

[SCLSU Mud Dogs]

In before the "I can't believe we chose Ocho over Marshall!!!"

The two moves had nothing to do with one another.

 

[mtch77]

Agreed

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

I did a stat comparison of 85 vs BM for their 1st 6 years in the league and 85 was better than BM in his prime.

Ochocinco

466 receptions for 6925 yards 14.9 average with 41 TD's and 4 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

OK. we aren't getting 85 in his prime and I realize that. So lets do a comparision of BM career numbers vs 85 over the same period 2006-2011 when 85 was starting to decline.

Brandon Marshall

494 receptions for 6247 yards 12.7 average with 34 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Ochocinco

387 recpetions for 5503 yards 14.2 average with 33 TD's and 3 Pro Bowl Appearances.

Not alot of difference there. So a washed up 85 can still score as much as BM. When 85 first arrived I was skeptical that he could improve our roster.
But after hearing how is doing I have faith that he can alteast replace the minimal amount of TD's that BM provided while he was here.

OK, "so lets do a comparision of BM career numbers vs 85 over" the last year:

Ochocinco, 15 rec, 276 yards, 1 TD with an all world QB
Brandon, 81 Rec, 1,214 yards, 6 TDs, with Chad Henne and Matt Moore

"Not alot of difference there (except Marshall played at a totally different level...or planet). So a washed up 85 can still score (in a season) as much as BM (can in one game). When 85 first arrived I was skeptical that he could improve (y)our roster. But after hearing how is doing I have faith that he can alteast replace the minimal amount of TD's that BM provided while he was here (if he plays against high school kids)"

Seriously, 85 was paired with arguably the best QB of his time and couldn't even play at a rookie level. Ok lets just assume he couldn't understand the offense at all. Fair doubt. Lets look at his last year in Cincy. 831 yards dropped from 1047 yards the year before. He would now be THREE years older since his last 1k season, and on his third team in three years and playing in an offense where not even his own QB has even played in. Not an ideal situation to flourish.

 

[Dr. Phin]

You know what....you're going to be just as disappointed in Chad as you were in BM...

Neither one should have been brought here.

 

[Fins1971]

2006-2011 Chad still had big years, his decline has been in the last 2 seasons where he scored 5 total TDs and only caught 82 balls. Chad in his prime was a playmaker, Marshall is an excellent possession WR. Can Chad have a bounce back year? I think it's possible but I wouldn't bet on it.

One could also argue that over the last 2 years that BM had about 3 times as many opportunities as 85 but only produced 9 TD's to Ochocinco's 5 TD's.

You for one should know those catches and yards mean nothing compared to TD's

 

[Fins1971]

OK, "so lets do a comparision of BM career numbers vs 85 over" the last year:

Ochocinco, 15 rec, 276 yards, 1 TD with an all world QB
Brandon, 81 Rec, 1,214 yards, 6 TDs, with Chad Henne and Matt Moore

"Not alot of difference there (except Marshall played at a totally different level...or planet). So a washed up 85 can still score (in a season) as much as BM (can in one game). When 85 first arrived I was skeptical that he could improve (y)our roster. But after hearing how is doing I have faith that he can alteast replace the minimal amount of TD's that BM provided while he was here (if he plays against high school kids)"

Seriously, 85 was paired with arguably the best QB of his time and couldn't even play at a rookie level. Ok lets just assume he couldn't understand the offense at all. Fair doubt. Lets look at his last year in Cincy. 831 yards dropped from 1047 yards the year before. He would now be THREE years older since his last 1k season, and on his third team in three years and playing in an offense where not even his own QB has even played in. Not an ideal situation to flourish.

Bottom line what did those reception and yards buy us? Nothing. Losing record both years.
An offense that was ranked worse in yards and point then before he arrived.


Since 2004 The Fins have put up between 3031 to 3632 passing yards each year.


It didn't change when Brandon Marshall came and it wont change since he is gone.
Some one or a group of players will make up those so called crucial yards and catches.
That is how it works.

You people act like

" Oh my god, BM is gone we are going to drop from 200 yards a game passing to only 125 a game since BM 75 yards are gone."

I would bet that we end up with the same 200 yards a game without him once again. Maybe more since we don't have to waste all these attempt to him to get his measily 13 yard average.

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

One could also argue that over the last 2 years that BM had about 3 times as many opportunities as 85 but only produced 9 TD's to Ochocinco's 5 TD's.

You for one should know those catches and yards mean nothing compared to TD's

TDs are generally an indication how offense as a whole performed. Plax had 8 TDs last year with 600+ yards, but is now a FA and no one has taken a flier on him yet. As a comparison, Antonio Brown had over 1100 yards and 2 TDs. No one is claiming Plax is better than Antonio. Where as TDs are much more valuable than yards, it does not represent how a player performed in the year.

 

[JETSJETSJETS]

You people act like

" Oh my god, BM is gone we are going to drop from 200 yards a game passing to only 125 a game since BM 75 yards are gone."

Never said that, never acted like it. No one said that from what I've read. YOU are the one acting like 85 will replace BMs production.

I would bet that we end up with the same 200 yards a game without him once again. Maybe more since we don't have to waste all these attempt to him to get his measily 13 yard average.

And I would bet 85 will not be the one replacing BMs production, like you mentioned in the OP. You'll be lucky if he matches half the production.

 

[hoops]

my suggestion is clean your loop if you think these guys are gonna be anywhere in the same ballpark stat wise in 2012...clean your loop

 

[Fins1971]

TDs are generally an indication how offense as a whole performed. Plax had 8 TDs last year with 600+ yards, but is now a FA and no one has taken a flier on him yet. As a comparison, Antonio Brown had over 1100 yards and 2 TDs. No one is claiming Plax is better than Antonio. Where as TDs are much more valuable than yards, it does not represent how a player performed in the year.

Antonio Browns yards led the Steelers to a playoff spot and winning season even though he wasn't scoring the TD's

BM yards led to nothing.