Of this group, which would you have as a Head Coach next year?

[2413fanphins]

bill cowher, rob ryan... my order reverses daily if not hourly.

on the one hand rob ryan is unproven. So is every first time head coach. it's a gamble, if you could guarantee it would work you'd have one helluva a trophy room now wouldn't you. I like the fire, the intensity. when is the last time we had a coach who could motivate this team. saban...maybe..... something tells me rob ryan will get in your face, and may even beat your *** if thats what it took... I like that.

bill cowher... yea, it took forever but he got the belt. his teams were always solid though, playoff appearances year in and year out. get lucky here or there, maybe find yourself in a superbowl. either way, he's a leader and I think he'd be the best coach since shula and I'd really believe he would get us somewhere. I just wonder if in the back of his head, he wonders if he can do it with this team, and this town, and this culture... I sometimes wonder if he doesnt' have reservations about it.

I think if rob ryan was offered the job, he'd take it in a heartbeat. I think if bill cowher was offered the job, he'd sleep on it over the weekend.

 

[hightempo]

Jack Del-Rio might be availabel this off season that could be a great hire.

right cause hes such a great decision maker. sure that move to cut david garrard went over in the locker room didnt it? hows that working out so far?

and he cant even come up with his own ****. he loved Grudens "pound the rock" deal so well with a huge rock in the center of the locker room that he came up with "chop some wood" that came with a huge chunk of wood and AN AXE in a lockerroom full of testosterone. thats brilliant. one of the players ended up with an injury because of it and missed some games.

come on guys this **** isnt rocket science here. the fisher, del rio, etc etc garbage decisions - just QUIT IT.

guys that have a PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF WINNING IN THE NFL are available. stop trying to reinvent the wheel and be smart. yeah hiring rob ryan makes SO MUCH SENSE LMFAO why?? cause his brother coaches in the NFL??? come on man.

u look at gruden and u look at cowher if u are ross. and u see if either of those guys make sense. if not u hire a REAL GM to find a guy its that simple

 

[Mogwai]

I really liked Fischer's name going into this season, until I really started researching his records:

In 17 years as Head Coach, he had exactly......6 winning season...and one trip to the AFC championship. He ALWAYS had pretty darn good talent to work with on top of that..... I always loved the guy, and thought he gave his all to coaching, but I would have to say "No Thanks".

That's a little harsh on him. He did not "ALWAYS" have good talent. He took over as interim of a disastrous 2 win team and led the Oilers through their brutal last years and Tennessee's infancy. These things skew the numbers. He really didn't have any talent. He's never had a good QB outside of McNair's prime and that took quite a few years of shaky development. When he did have a really good, complete team he took them to within a foot of the championship.

 

[hightempo]

That's a little harsh on him. He did not "ALWAYS" have good talent. He took over as interim of a disastrous 2 win team and led the Oilers through their brutal last years and Tennessee's infancy. These things skew the numbers. He really didn't have any talent. He's never had a good QB outside of McNair's prime and that took quite a few years of shaky development. When he did have a really good, complete team he took them to within a foot of the championship.

with this logic in mind why dont we just stick with sparano then tho? i mean our "lean years" have only been 11-5, 7-9, 7-9 and he took over a 1-15 team. why dont we just ride it out 10 more years?

its being more than fair to fisher. he didnt get it done more often than not almost twice as often in fact. and at the end of the day he never got it done. fisher and cowher are too similar if u like fisher - then the answer MUST be cowher. because he DID get it done and the guy has won in this league.

we need a change of culture and NOTHING any man can bring to the table carries as much credibility in the media and in that lockerroom as a SUPERBOWL RING. nothing.

a team of young players that has never won will never question gruden or cowhers methods they will buy in right from the beginning and when the time comes that there is a little adversity (and that time WILL come) they wont question, they wont waver. because theyll be all in. and hell be able to say - guys MY WAY WORKS - IVE PROVEN IT

what can fisher say? well most seasons it DOESNT work. BUT one year it ALMOST DID??????

not a chance.

u gotta go gruden or cowher, u gotta find a reason NOT to hire one of these guys before u look at other options. and the other option at that point HAS to be a GM with a track record of finding talent. and i think some of the suggestions for those guys that also have roots in this organization make sense.

u gotta have a reason to rule out cowher or gruden first tho.

 

[Mogwai]

with this logic in mind why dont we just stick with sparano then tho? i mean our "lean years" have only been 11-5, 7-9, 7-9 and he took over a 1-15 team. why dont we just ride it out 10 more years?

its being more than fair to fisher. he didnt get it done more often than not almost twice as often in fact. and at the end of the day he never got it done. fisher and cowher are too similar if u like fisher - then the answer MUST be cowher. because he DID get it done and the guy has won in this league.

we need a change of culture and NOTHING any man can bring to the table carries as much credibility in the media and in that lockerroom as a SUPERBOWL RING. nothing.

a team of young players that has never won will never question gruden or cowhers methods they will buy in right from the beginning and when the time comes that there is a little adversity (and that time WILL come) they wont question, they wont waver. because theyll be all in. and hell be able to say - guys MY WAY WORKS - IVE PROVEN IT

what can fisher say? well most seasons it DOESNT work. BUT one year it ALMOST DID??????

not a chance.

u gotta go gruden or cowher, u gotta find a reason NOT to hire one of these guys before u look at other options. and the other option at that point HAS to be a GM with a track record of finding talent. and i think some of the suggestions for those guys that also have roots in this organization make sense.

u gotta have a reason to rule out cowher or gruden first tho.

Spare me the half asssed Fisher to Sparano comparison. You want to compare Sparano to Noll and Walsh too? We can look deeper than blankly staring at the record sheet. Fisher spent those lean years improving and building a young team that was ready to make a Super Bowl run. Sparano had a fluke year on the arm of a vet QB, a gimmick offense, and a cake schedule. Then 2 years of churning mediocrity and 2 weeks of the bottom falling out. Fisher and Cowher are along the same lines. Only Cowher doesn't really have anything to prove. Fisher does. A man who has won in this league, but doesn't yet have a ring brings something else equally powerful to the table. Not that I necessarily want Fisher ahead of Cowher. I just think there our 3 competent, experienced coaches out there who are championship capable and any of them I'd prefer over our current situation.

 

[hightempo]

Spare me the half asssed Fisher to Sparano comparison. You want to compare Sparano to Noll and Walsh too? We can look deeper than blankly staring at the record sheet. Fisher spent those lean years improving and building a young team that was ready to make a Super Bowl run. Sparano had a fluke year on the arm of a vet QB, a gimmick offense, and a cake schedule. Then 2 years of churning mediocrity and 2 weeks of the bottom falling out. Fisher and Cowher are along the same lines. Only Cowher doesn't really have anything to prove. Fisher does. A man who has won in this league, but doesn't yet have a ring brings something else equally powerful to the table. Not that I necessarily want Fisher ahead of Cowher. I just think there our 3 competent, experienced coaches out there who are championship capable and any of them I'd prefer over our current situation.

obviously i was kidding about the sparano garbage. and i agree with you to a point. and u could say perhaps that a man that hasnt reached the peak would be more inclined to try harder to reach the peak OR u could say a man thats already reached the summit, having tasted that victory and knowing how it felt, would be more inclined to reach the summit again - because he just has to get back. so that can be argued either way.

what cannot be argued is that there is a strong likelihood that a man with a 15 year coaching career (or whatever it is) and only 6 winning seasons is more likely (if you are putting him in the same conversation) to be overrated in his coaching prowess than a man thats has never tasted losing and HAS won a superbowl.

as parcells says - u are what your record says u are.

there is also the possibility (not saying i believe this) that this particular coach wasnt all that great of a coach to begin with. and is simply mediocre as his record would indicate

in addition, i guess for some reason, some of us have a hard time understanding what its like or the weight it carries to be able to say IVE BEEN THERE IVE DONE THIS - ITS NOTHING NEW TO ME to a locker room full of 20 something year old men.

why make this more difficult than it is???

im not saying fisher cant win in miami. but dont u THINK perhaps it might just be a little bit easier for cowher or gruden to win here? THEYVE DONE IT. they can say "look at the ring". they wont encounter quite as many obstacles as fisher would.

when we are worried about 100ths of a second on a 40 time and put so much weight in THAT for ONE PLAYER on a 53 man roster - WHY in hell would we not pay attention to something that is ONE MILLION TIMES more meaningful for a head coach??????

THEYVE DONE IT. THEY ARE PROVEN WINNERS

 

[Mogwai]

obviously i was kidding about the sparano garbage. and i agree with you to a point. and u could say perhaps that a man that hasnt reached the peak would be more inclined to try harder to reach the peak OR u could say a man thats already reached the summit, having tasted that victory and knowing how it felt, would be more inclined to reach the summit again - because he just has to get back. so that can be argued either way.

what cannot be argued is that there is a strong likelihood that a man with a 15 year coaching career (or whatever it is) and only 6 winning seasons is more likely (if you are putting him in the same conversation) to be overrated in his coaching prowess than a man thats has never tasted losing and HAS won a superbowl.

as parcells says - u are what your record says u are.

there is also the possibility (not saying i believe this) that this particular coach wasnt all that great of a coach to begin with. and is simply mediocre as his record would indicate

in addition, i guess for some reason, some of us have a hard time understanding what its like or the weight it carries to be able to say IVE BEEN THERE IVE DONE THIS - ITS NOTHING NEW TO ME to a locker room full of 20 something year old men.

why make this more difficult than it is???

im not saying fisher cant win in miami. but dont u THINK perhaps it might just be a little bit easier for cowher or gruden to win here? THEYVE DONE IT. they can say "look at the ring". they wont encounter quite as many obstacles as fisher would.

when we are worried about 100ths of a second on a 40 time and put so much weight in THAT for ONE PLAYER on a 53 man roster - WHY in hell would we not pay attention to something that is ONE MILLION TIMES more meaningful for a head coach??????

THEYVE DONE IT. THEY ARE PROVEN WINNERS

That's a very fair point that with the fragile state our organization is, we might need a coach who can flash the ring. It would be less important if we weren't desperate for credibility. As for Fisher, the six winning seasons thing is a little overblown. All 6 of those were playoff years and he has like five years of going 8-8. His career record is well over .500. He was a foot away from a ring. I think a championship can be won with Fisher. It's not an overcomplication, weighing hunger for a ring over coming in with one is something that needs to be considered. I have to imagine JJ would have been much less of a bored egotist with us if it wasn't for all those rings on his fingers.

 

[Yessir]

Rob Ryan. I want to be entertained. **** what you think.

 

[CedarPhin]

Someone else.

 

[MD]

What is most important is who is the GM and can the two work together effectively. Obviously there will be disagreements but they will have to be able to work through them or it wont work. Right now we can assume Sparano and Ireland are merely coexisting. As long as Ireland is here I think they will have a hard time finding a good coach.

I am not convinced that Harbaugh turned down Miami at his wife's desire. I really wonder if he didn't like Ireland.

 

[hightempo]

What is most important is who is the GM and can the two work together effectively. Obviously there will be disagreements but they will have to be able to work through them or it wont work. Right now we can assume Sparano and Ireland are merely coexisting. As long as Ireland is here I think they will have a hard time finding a good coach.

I am not convinced that Harbaugh turned down Miami at his wife's desire. I really wonder if he didn't like Ireland.

harbaugh grew up next door to candlestick park. his family is there. he lives there, he can basically walk to work were he was living currently. he wouldnt be in a division that contained tom brady for the next 5 years.

the only way jim harbaugh was coming to miami was if the 49ers didnt offer him the job. thats why the offer wasnt made. there was nothing miami could do. jim harbaugh was going to accept the job in san fransisco. cant blame the guy.

and to be honest, after what weve dealt with here. he would have been murdered here by the fans if he pulled what he pulled last week - that very well could have cost san fran the game. he played it too conservatively and probably cost the niners a victory

 

[FORMER FIN1]

Absolutely Hilarious!

After killing Rex Ryan for 2 years, going on three, you want his brother here as your HC.

Will all of those who trashed Rex and want Rob as your HC, please thank my post. I think I can set a record for "thanks" on this board in 4 hours. Isn't Rob "too fat" to win anything? Doesn't he have a big mouth? Isn't he to arrogent to win? Funny - same qualities as the head coach of my team.

I'll take your interest in Rob Ryan as a compliment to the Jets....

probably not the same people genius.......................

 

[finitis23]

call me crazy but i want Rob Ryan.. & keep Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator. I think some continuity on offense would be good. keep henne & draft Luck (if we can) .. plus our defense is dripping withtalent & we need someone who can bring the beast out of all our defensive players, & Rob Ryan should be the most capable of doing that

 

[spydertl79]

Absolutely Hilarious!

After killing Rex Ryan for 2 years, going on three, you want his brother here as your HC.

Will all of those who trashed Rex and want Rob as your HC, please thank my post. I think I can set a record for "thanks" on this board in 4 hours. Isn't Rob "too fat" to win anything? Doesn't he have a big mouth? Isn't he to arrogent to win? Funny - same qualities as the head coach of my team.

I'll take your interest in Rob Ryan as a compliment to the Jets....

Asking for thanks= trying too hard

 

[syborg]

I still say get Rob Ryan in here