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Offense at this mini-camp vs. last year

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I know its only mini-camp, but last year at this time, I don't remember our offense being as productive as they were this last weekend. It's been very exciting to read the Post, Herald, and Sentinnel this week and hear about these 25, 35, and even 70 yard TD's (Ginn:evil:) by all of our QBs. Out of sheer lazyness, I haven't checked the archives, so can anyone else confirm that we seem to be alot further ahead than last year at this point? I'm getting much more excited than usual as I'm the cautiously optimistic one. Please bring me down if need be. :lol:
 
I'm too lazy to check the stats as well, and I'm not sure they would really mean anything. But like you, I am excited about this year's team.
 
I remember us being really excited last year when DC scrambled in a drill where no one is going to tackle him anyway... I like the news out of camp this year better. I'm not sure the offense is going to be good...but I think they will be better.
 
I know its only mini-camp, but last year at this time, I don't remember our offense being as productive as they were this last weekend. It's been very exciting to read the Post, Herald, and Sentinnel this week and hear about these 25, 35, and even 70 yard TD's (Ginn:evil:) by all of our QBs. Out of sheer lazyness, I haven't checked the archives, so can anyone else confirm that we seem to be alot further ahead than last year at this point? I'm getting much more excited than usual as I'm the cautiously optimistic one. Please bring me down if need be. :lol:

Ive also read that Ginn dropped his fair share of passes so its wise not take too much at the moment, we all need to know that Ginn will be fit (foot) 100% by the 1st game. David Sutton has been getting rave reviews and Hagan is improving so its not looking too bad. Wait till the pads go on and then we wil know more. I am getting interested in how the O-Line will do. Thats where we will get a 5 win season or possibly a 10 if they perform straight away IMO.
 
Sutton will very likely disappear once the pads go on. His poor patterns and agility will expose him. Right now he's bigger than everyone. He won't be bigger than everyone once hitting is allowed...

I think there's been a lot more offensive production at this mini camp than in years past.

Cameron has the offense going in the right direction. He works with convention, knows what he likes and likes what he knows. He's shifting everyone into their niches, teaching them, and then demanding that they maintain their consistency or face benching. He benched Chambers in a mini camp earlier this off season and all the sudden Chambers looks like a different player this camp, according to Greg Bedard. Chambers even appreciated the benching, talking about how nice it is having a coach that shows that lack of focus will come with consequences, where in years past he felt like he and other people could make mistakes and nobody would call them on it.

One false start sent Drew Mormino reeling back to the second team, where he has stayed ever since. What did that teach Samson Satele? I think he said it the best. He said in his most recent interview he needs to get into the playbook because he's one play away from being benched, one mistaken play, one false start, etc...I think the message got across when his fellow rookie was sent to the bench in favor of the vet.

Everything Cam has done with the offense speaks to me of a plan. It isn't just randomly shifting guys around and then seeing if they'll be good there or not. He finds players that fits the right mold and puts them in the spot that is most appropriate for that mold.

He says Rex Hadnot was kind of big for a center, so he puts him at guard where his size is perfect. He says he doesn't like 330 pound mountains at guard, and so he shifts Shelton and Toledo back to tackle. He likes a certain kind of player at center, so he drafts a Samson Satele. He needs a certain amount of consistency and work ethic at left tackle, a player that gives you that feeling that you can trust them, so he moves Carey, by far the Dolphins' most consistent OL, back over to that side.

What does he like in a tight end? A guy like Antonio Gates, that can be a threat in the deep middle, keeping cover two safeties honest. Did we have that in McMichael? Afraid not. McMichael runs a 4.9 and is notorious for not giving 100% effort when it comes to his conditioning. So, they go out and get David Martin, former WR that runs more in the 4.76 range, to go along with 37 inch vertical and 10'7" broad jump marks that are highly abnormal for his size.

He likes a certain kind of guy at the flanker spots. What players fit that role? Ted Ginn Jr., Az Hakim, Kelly Campbell...all very similar players. What player doesn't quite fit that mold? Chris Chambers. So, he moves him. In the mean time, he's got a bunch of players playing different spots, including Ted Ginn, just as a method of teaching them...teaching them to get off a jam if that's what they need to learn, etc.

At runningback, what does he like to see? Well, he doesn't like to see 240 pound backs lumbering through the hole, that's for sure...and he made that known very quickly when he fired the runningbacks coach and hired Bobby Jackson, a guy that coached with him and knew exactly what he wants.

And of course, lastly there was the quarterback position. I think it was obvious to many people, some I think knew it but were kind of in denial about it, that Daunte Culpepper is not the model quarterback for this system. Trent Green and John Beck were, though.

He knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. He took to the offense with the blow torch and sottering iron, in order to mold it into something he understands and can work with...and I just have a feeling that even though there are bound to be a ton of growing pains, this offense becomes a mediocre offense that ranks between #12 and #20 this season...and by 2008, I think we have a top 10 offense. That's my feeling. It seems almost exactly like Saban's work with the defense, when he took an aging set of guys that didn't seem to fit his style, chopped it up, added pieces here and there, and within two years formed it into a highly formidable unit.
 
I remember us being really excited last year when DC scrambled in a drill where no one is going to tackle him anyway... I like the news out of camp this year better. I'm not sure the offense is going to be good...but I think they will be better.
very true.no more holding the ball,and having to scramble to find an open wideout..throws will be on time,and hopefully in stride.this will help ronnie big time.no more 8 in the box.at least thats the plan.lol
 
Many games last season we were in the game in the 4th quarter. This year we will be able to up our points per game average and have a lead. Will no doubt have better field position.
 
What I'm looking for this year would be more of a sense that we know our arse from our elbow in the red zone.
 
nice read ckparrot. You hit the nail on the head. Cam has a plan and is molding this team to his plan. Growing pains have happened and will continue to occur. One thing for sure though. We are a better football team today then we were at any point last year IMO. I'm an optimist, so every year I think we will be good, but it really looks like the team is buying into what Cam is selling. I know, lets wait until they put the pads on. But overall, I have a really good feeling about this season. The first half of the schedule is easier then the second halve so it will be imperitive that we come out of the blocks ready to play and not lose a game or two trying to learn what they are doing. Thats where we will find out if the coaching staff has done the job they are paid to do. I think we have an elite staff together and a good start and improvement throughout the year, we are legitimately a 9 -11 win team. If we start slow, it will not get any easier and we may be a 5-6 win team.
 
Sutton will very likely disappear once the pads go on. His poor patterns and agility will expose him. Right now he's bigger than everyone. He won't be bigger than everyone once hitting is allowed...

I think there's been a lot more offensive production at this mini camp than in years past.

Cameron has the offense going in the right direction. He works with convention, knows what he likes and likes what he knows. He's shifting everyone into their niches, teaching them, and then demanding that they maintain their consistency or face benching. He benched Chambers in a mini camp earlier this off season and all the sudden Chambers looks like a different player this camp, according to Greg Bedard. Chambers even appreciated the benching, talking about how nice it is having a coach that shows that lack of focus will come with consequences, where in years past he felt like he and other people could make mistakes and nobody would call them on it.

One false start sent Drew Mormino reeling back to the second team, where he has stayed ever since. What did that teach Samson Satele? I think he said it the best. He said in his most recent interview he needs to get into the playbook because he's one play away from being benched, one mistaken play, one false start, etc...I think the message got across when his fellow rookie was sent to the bench in favor of the vet.

Everything Cam has done with the offense speaks to me of a plan. It isn't just randomly shifting guys around and then seeing if they'll be good there or not. He finds players that fits the right mold and puts them in the spot that is most appropriate for that mold.

He says Rex Hadnot was kind of big for a center, so he puts him at guard where his size is perfect. He says he doesn't like 330 pound mountains at guard, and so he shifts Shelton and Toledo back to tackle. He likes a certain kind of player at center, so he drafts a Samson Satele. He needs a certain amount of consistency and work ethic at left tackle, a player that gives you that feeling that you can trust them, so he moves Carey, by far the Dolphins' most consistent OL, back over to that side.

What does he like in a tight end? A guy like Antonio Gates, that can be a threat in the deep middle, keeping cover two safeties honest. Did we have that in McMichael? Afraid not. McMichael runs a 4.9 and is notorious for not giving 100% effort when it comes to his conditioning. So, they go out and get David Martin, former WR that runs more in the 4.76 range, to go along with 37 inch vertical and 10'7" broad jump marks that are highly abnormal for his size.

He likes a certain kind of guy at the flanker spots. What players fit that role? Ted Ginn Jr., Az Hakim, Kelly Campbell...all very similar players. What player doesn't quite fit that mold? Chris Chambers. So, he moves him. In the mean time, he's got a bunch of players playing different spots, including Ted Ginn, just as a method of teaching them...teaching them to get off a jam if that's what they need to learn, etc.

At runningback, what does he like to see? Well, he doesn't like to see 240 pound backs lumbering through the hole, that's for sure...and he made that known very quickly when he fired the runningbacks coach and hired Bobby Jackson, a guy that coached with him and knew exactly what he wants.

And of course, lastly there was the quarterback position. I think it was obvious to many people, some I think knew it but were kind of in denial about it, that Daunte Culpepper is not the model quarterback for this system. Trent Green and John Beck were, though.

He knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. He took to the offense with the blow torch and sottering iron, in order to mold it into something he understands and can work with...and I just have a feeling that even though there are bound to be a ton of growing pains, this offense becomes a mediocre offense that ranks between #12 and #20 this season...and by 2008, I think we have a top 10 offense. That's my feeling. It seems almost exactly like Saban's work with the defense, when he took an aging set of guys that didn't seem to fit his style, chopped it up, added pieces here and there, and within two years formed it into a highly formidable unit.
Very nice. Thank you sir. I knew there was a reason for my new found optimism.
 
ckparrot... your words make me tingle with excitement for the coming season! It should be very exciting, and I hope Cam lives up to all the expectations.
 
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Offensive line. For each of the last two years under Houck, the offensive line we saw in the first couple of games was very different from the offensive line we saw after that. What reason do we have to truly believe that trend will change?

Also, aren't we taking a risk by diverging from what Houck wants on the interior, which are big people movers, and moving toward quicker guys with less power?

Believe it or not, the last two seasons, during the second half of the 2006 season, our offensive line probably belonged among the upper third of the league in terms of run blocking. Don't believe me? Prior to the bye week, our running backs averaged 3.7 yards per carry on 19.4 carries per game. After the bye week, they averaged 4.5 yards per carry on 24.7 carries per game. Big difference. That 4.5 yards per carry average would have put them tied with the Washington Redskins for #8 in the league in run efficiency. Heck, as things stand, Miami ended up #11 in the NFL in team yards per rush for the whole season. I think in 2005, we saw a similar pattern. But again, overall Miami ranked #7 in the NFL in yards per rush in 2005.

All I'm trying to say is that as much as we like to pick on our OL and talk about how abysmal they were, etc...we've actually done a pretty good job up there in run blocking in terms of yards per carry. What if Cameron tinkering with the makeup and style of the offensive line results in a negative run blocking effect?

The line will definitely be a better pass protecting OL, but will it be at the expense of run blocking? And let me tell you, a Norv Turner offense that can't run block well can end up a disaster in the red zone.


Secondary. As much as the prospect of scoring more points and getting more vertical appeals, what happens if it induces teams to try out passing the ball deep a lot more on a struggling secondary? This was a largely unfollowed problem in 2006. Everyone knew the secondary was the biggest defensive weakness. They didn't necessarily know how big a weakness it was...because the pass rush was too damn crazy.

The pass rush should still be crazy, but with their backs against the wall by us scoring more points, will more teams approach our secondary like Brett Favre and the Packers did? Bottom line is if you can't intercept the ball and make teams pay for errant passes, you can expect teams to throw and test you deep. And, with our secondary players, it's only a matter of time and number of throws before a deep throw results in a big play, either pass interference or a completed pass. I'm sorry, but it's true. Will Allen's biggest area of weakness is defending the deep pass. Yeremiah Bell can be fooled. Renaldo Hill is not fast. Travis Daniels is not fast. And, none of the above snatch the ball very well.

Tough thing is, if we don't play our cards right in terms of ball control and playing the right way...our secondary could be a lot worse than they looked last year with our low scoring offense, and we won't know until we increase our offense's production and the defense starts allowing more points in lock step.

As things stand, keeping the same secondary we had a year ago, could end up proving out to be the biggest gamble this regime is taking.


Play Calling. We're all assuming this is going to be a positive for us and I think we have good reason to do that. But, history is littered with head coaches that have thought they could call the plays and wear both hats and have found out the hard way that isn't the case.

As far as I know, the only guy that has consistently done it well is Mike Shanahan. Andy Reid had some success with it and then this season gave the job up mid-season to Marty Morninwheg because, as Andy said, he was "stinking up the joint". Scott Linehan thought he could wear both hats, but he gave up play calling duties mid season as well. Joe Gibbs finally gave it up. Most of them all agree it's too hard to be the play caller and the head coach, that there are too many decisions to make.

Will Cameron wear both hats? Will he do it successfully? What if he finds that he can't do it? Can we trust Terry Shea to call the plays? I believe the last time Shea was an offensive coordinator, his offenses stunk the place up. Part of the allure of Cameron is his innovative play calling, how much he has a feel for the game. If Cameron decides he MUST call the plays for the offense to work, does he have an assistant head coach he trusts to oversee some of the other game day decisions that the head coach normally would oversee? Could Dom Capers fill that role? Is that desirable?
 
Sutton will very likely disappear once the pads go on. His poor patterns and agility will expose him. Right now he's bigger than everyone. He won't be bigger than everyone once hitting is allowed...

I think there's been a lot more offensive production at this mini camp than in years past.

Cameron has the offense going in the right direction. He works with convention, knows what he likes and likes what he knows. He's shifting everyone into their niches, teaching them, and then demanding that they maintain their consistency or face benching. He benched Chambers in a mini camp earlier this off season and all the sudden Chambers looks like a different player this camp, according to Greg Bedard. Chambers even appreciated the benching, talking about how nice it is having a coach that shows that lack of focus will come with consequences, where in years past he felt like he and other people could make mistakes and nobody would call them on it.

One false start sent Drew Mormino reeling back to the second team, where he has stayed ever since. What did that teach Samson Satele? I think he said it the best. He said in his most recent interview he needs to get into the playbook because he's one play away from being benched, one mistaken play, one false start, etc...I think the message got across when his fellow rookie was sent to the bench in favor of the vet.

Everything Cam has done with the offense speaks to me of a plan. It isn't just randomly shifting guys around and then seeing if they'll be good there or not. He finds players that fits the right mold and puts them in the spot that is most appropriate for that mold.

He says Rex Hadnot was kind of big for a center, so he puts him at guard where his size is perfect. He says he doesn't like 330 pound mountains at guard, and so he shifts Shelton and Toledo back to tackle. He likes a certain kind of player at center, so he drafts a Samson Satele. He needs a certain amount of consistency and work ethic at left tackle, a player that gives you that feeling that you can trust them, so he moves Carey, by far the Dolphins' most consistent OL, back over to that side.

What does he like in a tight end? A guy like Antonio Gates, that can be a threat in the deep middle, keeping cover two safeties honest. Did we have that in McMichael? Afraid not. McMichael runs a 4.9 and is notorious for not giving 100% effort when it comes to his conditioning. So, they go out and get David Martin, former WR that runs more in the 4.76 range, to go along with 37 inch vertical and 10'7" broad jump marks that are highly abnormal for his size.

He likes a certain kind of guy at the flanker spots. What players fit that role? Ted Ginn Jr., Az Hakim, Kelly Campbell...all very similar players. What player doesn't quite fit that mold? Chris Chambers. So, he moves him. In the mean time, he's got a bunch of players playing different spots, including Ted Ginn, just as a method of teaching them...teaching them to get off a jam if that's what they need to learn, etc.

At runningback, what does he like to see? Well, he doesn't like to see 240 pound backs lumbering through the hole, that's for sure...and he made that known very quickly when he fired the runningbacks coach and hired Bobby Jackson, a guy that coached with him and knew exactly what he wants.

And of course, lastly there was the quarterback position. I think it was obvious to many people, some I think knew it but were kind of in denial about it, that Daunte Culpepper is not the model quarterback for this system. Trent Green and John Beck were, though.

He knows what he likes and he likes what he knows. He took to the offense with the blow torch and sottering iron, in order to mold it into something he understands and can work with...and I just have a feeling that even though there are bound to be a ton of growing pains, this offense becomes a mediocre offense that ranks between #12 and #20 this season...and by 2008, I think we have a top 10 offense. That's my feeling. It seems almost exactly like Saban's work with the defense, when he took an aging set of guys that didn't seem to fit his style, chopped it up, added pieces here and there, and within two years formed it into a highly formidable unit.

Nice read CK, always like reading your input... I agree, like the fact that they're trying to make it hard on Ginn by isolating him on the LOS and basically focussing him on his suppossed weaknesses. I really hope Ronnie is ready to put the offense on his shoulders this year because he will have the most influence on how the O does this year.
 
Nice read CK, always like reading your input... I agree, like the fact that they're trying to make it hard on Ginn by isolating him on the LOS and basically focussing him on his suppossed weaknesses. I really hope Ronnie is ready to put the offense on his shoulders this year because he will have the most influence on how the O does this year.

I'm not sure you can say that they're doing it in order to focus on his weakness so much as you can say that they're just making it as hard as humanly possible for him. That goes for any receiver. You notice there are a whole heck of a lot of receivers working on the LOS...Chambers included. Just not giving them any easy breaks.
 
I will not get excited until I'm sure I see improvement on the left side of the Offensive Line.
 
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