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I am a grad of Appalachian State University, which is a 1-AA school. It had won the National Championship for 3 straight years before losing in the playoffs this past season. What turned them around was a complete transformation of their offense.

About seven years ago they recruited an athletic QB that had "Pat White" abilities in that he could run and pass with devasting effects on a defense. That QB led them to their first championship. After he graduated the next QB that came in was Amanti Edwards. This kid in his first three years has won two championships. He is almost unstoppable. He is 1-AA's version of a Pat White.

ASU's offense is a shotgun formation. The QB controls the flow. It is a no huddle formation where the plays are relayed while the offense stands in formation. Edwards can either run the ball, throw it, or hand it off to two options. One is running back which is near him. The other is receiver which runs in motion to the QB at the snap.

This offense is very closely related to the wildcat but is a permanent version of it. That offense is constantly scoring in the 30's and 40's. The QB is what makes it work because of his athletic ability. He is fast, quick, and tough as nails. Several games he rushed for over 100 yards and threw for over 300 yards. The offense is unpredictable by opposing defenses. Teaming that offense with a physical defense there is no reason they have won the championship 3 of the last 4 years.

Now, could Miami make a similar revamping of their offense and run something similar to the wildcat on a permanant basis using Pat White? It would be exciting and hard to control by opposing defenses. Team that kind of offense with a hard hitting and fast defense, we would have a combination that would bring joy to us for a long time. Chad Henne could run this offense as well and would be very good in it.

Just some random thoughts.
 
Change is hard...I know:chuckle:

I'm all for change and innovation. The Run and Shoot was very innovative. It even had good success for a number of years. There is a reason you don't see it run anymore. The Wishbone and Flexbone were innovative, and, was the Single Wing. Any of these might have some success in limited application, even today, but to base a whole offense around any of these theories is disaster in a can.
 
Well, I think we could kiss any hopes of success good-bye for sure in that scenerio.

People once thought the West Coast offense was a gimmick and would never succeed in the NFL way back then. How did that turn out ?

When the 3-4 defense was pioneered into the NFL during the 70's, people said it would never last. They said there is no way 3 defensive lineman would ever work in the NFL against an O-line.. haha, yeah right.

People thought you needed a Fullback for years. Now we see single and dual RB sets.

People thought Don Coryell was a raving lunatic and out of his mind when he envisioned the "Air Coryell" offense... That also ended up dominant.

When the 46 defense was first thought out, some people thought it would never work and it was a crazy idea. Teams won the super bowl with it.

People thought the zone-blitz was a nutty idea, I mean how can a DE play in coverage ? Well it worked for teams.

Belichick and the Patriots didn't care what people thought of the spread offense in the NFL. It worked for them fine.

And I can name more... That's just off the top of my head. The fact of the matter is the game is always evolving.

And I love the fact that the dolphins are now the innovators and not immitators. Instead of teams dictating to us and us trying to desperately counter the new things other teams do, as we have done for years, the Dolphins are now the team doing the dictating on other teams.

I think this is FANTASTIC !

I Love it !!
 
People once thought the West Coast offense was a gimmick and would never succeed in the NFL way back then. How did that turn out ?

People thought you needed a Fullback for years. Now we see single and dual RB sets.

People thought Don Coryell was a raving lunatic and out of his mind when he envision the "Air Coryell" offense, that also ended up dominant.

When the 46 defense was first thought out, some people thought it would never work and it was a crazy idea. Teams won the super bowl with it.

People thought the zone-blitz was a nutty idea, I mean how can a DE play in coverage ? Well it worked for teams.

Belichick and the Patriots didn't care what people thought of the spread offense in the NFL. It worked for them fine.

And I can name more... That's just off the top of my head. The fact of the matter is the game is always evolving.

And I love the fact that the dolphins are now the innovators and not immitators. Instead of teams dictating to us and trying to desperately counter what other teams do, as we have done for years, the Dolphins are now the team doing the dictating on other teams.

This is FANTASTIC.

I Love it !

You made the same points I did. All offensive and defensive schemes CAN have success, certainly. Why did you leave out the brilliant Al Davis and his vertical stretch offense? Sure, any offensive system CAN have success. I admitted such. I don't think that going with an offense that works for a 1AA college again 1AA talent is going to translate well at the NFL level.
 
Kind of ironic that Appy State beat Henne and Michigan with it.
 
The offense that App Stat runs is the spread offense, which Pat White ran in WVU and that many other college programs run. It is the reason why Gruden made the statement that the Spread offense is now in the NFL, and why many fans have been asking if the Spread offense can make an emergence in the NFL.

Yes it can, but I think with the speed and ability of the NFL defenses seeing the spread on a full time basis will not happen. Same reason why the wildcat and the option are not full time offense systems
 
Kind of ironic that Appy State beat Henne and Michigan with it.

You beat me to it. I was gonna say don't let Henne and J Long see this thread. The wildcat is fun and it works sometimes. I'm just having a hard time with taking White in the 2nd round. A day one qb should be in more than 5 to 10 plays a game. And Henne IS the future. But I think White will be a good addition.

Also to the original poster, I went to Western Kentucky University so I know all about ASU.
 
There is no "spread offense". The Patriots ran the Shoot during 07, WVU runs the Zone Read, Texas Tech and Kansas run the Air Raid, Missouri runs a West Coast/Shoot hybrid. The only commonality these offenses have are certain route concepts and a dedication to stretching out the field to create mismatches and bad decisions on the part of the D.
 
There is no "spread offense". The Patriots ran the Shoot during 07, WVU runs the Zone Read, Texas Tech and Kansas run the Air Raid, Missouri runs a West Coast/Shoot hybrid. The only commonality these offenses have are certain route concepts and a dedication to stretching out the field to create mismatches and bad decisions on the part of the D.

The Air Raid? I understand that each High School or college has their own terms but there is a spread offense. I should have said the zone spread or spread zone. When most say the spread they are most commonly referring to the spread zone. The spread simply means 4 wide out of the shotgun formation. But I have never heard any one say there is no spread... as much as I don't listen to a lot of ESPN/NFL Network analyze opinions I do know that Gruden and Jaws have played/coached the game and the commonly refer to the spread offense.
 
The Air Raid?

The spread is a formation, it is not an offense. Many teams use and even feature various spread formations (they can have anywhere from two to five receivers).

The Air Raid in particular is an offense that Leach at Texas Tech and Mangino at Kansas use, it is known for its heavy use of option routes and have a few simple plays that are practiced until players could execute them while sleeping.

The Run n Shoot is another "spread offense" that in many ways is the polar opposite of the Air Raid. It is a complex offense that uses a dizzying array of route combinations and formations to attack the defense. And note the attack part, because it is different from the Air Raid in that the latter is all about taking what the defense gives.

As for Gruden and Jaws, you have to remember that they're broadcasters now. If they started going on about the intricacies and variations of the various offense that pass-friendly teams use, most people's eyes would glaze over.
 
I remember some years back where the Dolphins had a big lead on the Bills at halftime and then Buffalo came out with the spread (4 WRs) with Flutie and we lost because we couldn't stop anything the second half.
 
I remember some years back where the Dolphins had a big lead on the Bills at halftime and then Buffalo came out with the spread (4 WRs) with Flutie and we lost because we couldn't stop anything the second half.

Was it no huddle? If so that was probably the K-Gun.
 
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