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Drove down from Cincinnati with the Gf. the expereince was great until the game started. First off the Defense played very well, considering the situations they were put in....could have used more pressure. But this thread is about the offense...to begin its obvious the oline was bad and so was chad, but why?

From my seats on the 50 yd line this is what I saw. This is not biased, nor will I mix words. The offense does not stretch the field. I am not talking about the occasional 40 yd bomb, but the 15, 20 yd slants or comebacks. The defense was not scared of our 5, 10 yd slants or screens which is what we run 90% of our passing plays (SANS wildcat). This means and im not joking, forget 8 in the box, were talking the entire team within 8-10yds of the line. They can blitz knowing someone is right behind them. They can go after playaction, because they know the WR is gonna beat them 6 yds deep at most, and will be tackled right away.

This type of tight offense takes advanced blocking schemes and rediculous timing even to function, and last year we did a great job of it. However lets look at what else it means for the offense. The Oline is constantly underfire, RBs are swarmed 3 yds downfield even if their a hole, WRs are double covered, and tackled immediately. Until we prove we can throw the ball 10-20 yds consistantly, this will continue...

If anyone watched the games lastnight, there were mid level passes frequently, and with the Bills oline a RB from the canadian league had a good amount of success. Both teams dinks and screens led to Yacs like they are supposed to. They are supplimental/checkdowns in most offenses which is why they work. Not the focal point as in our offense.

With our offense, (with mistake free football, which with the video the falcons used from the balt game, and now last weeks game...will be more difficult to do) we will squeek by good/mediocre/bad teams 13-10. This style of offense leaves no room for even the slightest error, because if it looks like the D is everywhere its because it is when it comes to the dolphins schemes. I dont care how good a Defense is, its the NFL and if they only have 10 yds to cover they have the speed to do it easily, or with minimal damage. We saw this trend last year against the filth of the league.

Im not bashing Chad, I think he can make these passes, maybe not with as much zip as I would like, but the O is designed for him, and it hurts the rest of the unit tremendously by yes allowing for consistant minimal success, but that minimal success is a constant grind, leading the drives staling or 3 and outs if not done with absolute precision. I realize it was game one, and with Chad we still win 8-9 games because the turnovers will not happen like that...the teams too disciplined. But....

Ask yourself if this offense against the Good Defenses and talented players of these league can handle the grind for the reg season and god willing the playoffs. The answer is no, and thats not a knock on anyone but a below avg defense can contain 10 yds of field easily, an above average D can destroy us, as we have seen the last 2 games....for arguments sake lets say the falcons D is good.

The best analogy I can think of is were constantly playing in the redzone. Seeing the game live, honestly thats what we do. So whether you want to blame the Oline, Chad, Wrs....thats the style of offense we are running, and thats a FACT. good teams move the ball that 20 yds in the redzone like 60% of the time?...We have to do that 4 times in one drive to maybe score a TD.

I dont have the answer, Chad can/cant do it?...Henne ready or not?...but the sad thing is the wildcat was developed back in the day for 5-6 yd gains...and thats our "Big Play" package. The D will again have to carry this team like its had to for a decade, and our WRs and Rbs will not reach their potential. We can scrape by and win games with it (if we are mistake free) dont get me wrong, but can we contend for a superbowl? My point is if we cant do that, doesn't that defeat the purpose or contending?

In closing towards the end of the game when we were running the ball down 19-0 my Gf turned to me and asked why we done go downfield. (shes never watched a game ps) I said our offense keeps it in tight and Ryan has a stronger arm, and their receivers might get an extra ft of separation (negligible this game).....other than that I had no answer for her.
 
This is what I've been saying....

we're playing football with 1/3 of the football field....not gonna work!
 
I agree, the way I see it we have 2 offensive packages.....goaline and wildcat
 
Trouble is neither will be effective against any REAL defense....

You cannot score points playing football in a phone booth.
 
more like cant score in a straightjacket with cinderblocks on your feet.....every NFL defense is a REAL defense...we made the falcons look like another spieces of bird from the Baltimore area....and with the film, alot of other teams are going to duplicate it
 
There is a reason the Ravens, steelers and pats have owned pennington....
 
We're a running team.. obviosuly Sunday we tried to be something we're not.

We are a running team...but if we cannot effectively throw downfield, the run wil not be there.

i will guarantee you this...the Jets D will eat our offense for lunch if we cannot get recivers the ball outside the hashmarks.
 
What I wouldn't give for a real offense. Just to watch one being run in a Miami uniform would be nice.
 
Tough to do when the back has to beat 10 guys from the center of the field to get outside....
 
I can't verify how tight the opponent's secondary is playing to the line of scrimmage, but assuming they were inside of 20 yards we should be able to take advantage of that.

I'd take a page out of the Steve Spurrier Fun-n-Gun. Just toss the ball deep and let our speedster run to it. A couple of those will keep Defenses honest.

Of course then you get into the Penny arm debate. But frankly, that is all a timing play. Penny just needs to put it up, Ginn however needs to fight for the ball if its underthrown. Which I think is one of Penny's hesitations in our offense. I don't think he has faith in our receivers to be physical enough to go up and fight for a badly thrown pass, hence all the dump offs.
 
We're a running team.. obviosuly Sunday we tried to be something we're not.


In H.S and most Colleges you can say that, but in the NFL that does not fly. You need both in the NFL, players are too fast. And Sunday we passed when it was 3rd and 7 due to the first 2 running plays resulting in 3 yds.

Alot of our running stats came from late in the game, when we ran the ball against a prevent defense. PREVENT as in prevent the other team from passing. That is when you become effective, and thats evident.

And the only other time we were effective running were pitches to the edges where there werent 10 stacked defensive players trembling about the thought of a 5 yd slant to Anthony Fasano.
 
When you have man coverage on the outside, run a quick curl on both sides of the field, reciever has one guy to shake and he's gone. Trouble is, Pennington struggles to make those throws. He can do it, (see the long catch and run by camarillo in the pre-season) until he proves to a defense he will do it to them every time they test him, they will keep jamming the middle of the field.
 
I can't verify how tight the opponent's secondary is playing to the line of scrimmage, but assuming they were inside of 20 yards we should be able to take advantage of that.

I'd take a page out of the Steve Spurrier Fun-n-Gun. Just toss the ball deep and let our speedster run to it. A couple of those will keep Defenses honest.

Of course then you get into the Penny arm debate. But frankly, that is all a timing play. Penny just needs to put it up, Ginn however needs to fight for the ball if its underthrown. Which I think is one of Penny's hesitations in our offense. I don't think he has faith in our receivers to be physical enough to go up and fight for a badly thrown pass, hence all the dump offs.


I will verify, no way they were beyond 15 yds until they were up 19 and in prevent.....and I will also verify the only 2 times they were tested Ginn had em beat, and pat just overthrew him, and Ginn had em beat and Chad missed it and threw it OB. The entire Place went quiet both times fully expecting a huge play.

The rest of the game however, they were blitzing, filling holes, and knocking the snot out of Wrs and TEs 5-10 yds deep with the Lbs
 
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