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NFL Offensive Scheme Cluster Analysis

Watching the Chiefs, Bills and Packers all make their conference championships, a thought popped into my mind: The way these teams run their offense is very similar to one another. From an X’s and …
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Some interesting information can be abstracted from this.
 
Interesting, thanks for sharing.

To me it looks like very high first down pass rate, with efficient passes that are getting great return on YAC, is really where the Chiefs, Packers, and Bills are distinguishing themselves. Fewer inside runs (unlike us), most runs to the outside.

Teams like the Texans, Eagles, and Seahawks have the right idea with high first down pass rates and high YPA, but are getting killed with high sack rates, Qb hit rate, and lower YAC (probably inefficient passes).

This reminds me of the NBA where offenses evolved - 3pt shots, buckets in the paint, and drawing fouls. In the NFL it'll be high first down pass rate with efficient passes that allow your playmakers to get YAC. If you run, favor runs to the outside. Also bazooka arms that get the ball quickly to your receivers make this strategy.

Where does that put us? We've got the right idea with low sack and Qb hit rate and trending in the right direction when it comes to first down passes and Pass Rate Over Expected. Passing plays stayed aggressive with yards past the sticks, We just ran exclusively to the inside with very little runs to the outside. Our YAC also hurt us, a personnel issue.

Conclusion? Perhaps it is true with improved scheme and improved personnel our offense will be much improved. A lot hinges on Tua improving his zip on passes which will help our receivers with YAC. Arm strength in today's NFL is so so important. This is why the Dolphins should still consider drafting Qb at #3. A running back that can bounce runs to the outside is a priority too.
 
AvogadrosNumber said:
Interesting, thanks for sharing.

To me it looks like very high first down pass rate, with efficient passes that are getting great return on YAC, is really where the Chiefs, Packers, and Bills are distinguishing themselves. Fewer inside runs (unlike us), most runs to the outside.

Teams like the Texans, Eagles, and Seahawks have the right idea with high first down pass rates and high YPA, but are getting killed with high sack rates, Qb hit rate, and lower YAC (probably inefficient passes).

This reminds me of the NBA where offenses evolved - 3pt shots, buckets in the paint, and drawing fouls. In the NFL it'll be high first down pass rate with efficient passes that allow your playmakers to get YAC. If you run, favor runs to the outside. Also bazooka arms that get the ball quickly to your receivers make this strategy.

Where does that put us? We've got the right idea with low sack and Qb hit rate and trending in the right direction when it comes to first down passes and Pass Rate Over Expected. Passing plays stayed aggressive with yards past the sticks, We just ran exclusively to the inside with very little runs to the outside. Our YAC also hurt us, a personnel issue.

Conclusion? Perhaps it is true with improved scheme and improved personnel our offense will be much improved. A lot hinges on Tua improving his zip on passes which will help our receivers with YAC. Arm strength in today's NFL is so so important. A running back that can bounce runs to the outside is a priority too.
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Love how you singled out Tuas arm strength and said NOTHING about receivers that have never been able to produce YAC, assuming the catch the ball, no matter who the QBs was. Lol...your agenda with this post is clear.
 
ANUFan said:
Love how you singled out Tuas arm strength and said NOTHING about receivers that have never been able to produce YAC, assuming the catch the ball, no matter who the QBs was. Lol...your agenda with this post is clear.
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You need both to work, I said improved personnel. For YAC you need receivers that can get separation and a Qb that can get the ball to them quickly. That should be obvious, especially looking at 3 of the 4 teams in the conference championship.
 
AvogadrosNumber said:
Interesting, thanks for sharing.

To me it looks like very high first down pass rate, with efficient passes that are getting great return on YAC, is really where the Chiefs, Packers, and Bills are distinguishing themselves. Fewer inside runs (unlike us), most runs to the outside.

Teams like the Texans, Eagles, and Seahawks have the right idea with high first down pass rates and high YPA, but are getting killed with high sack rates, Qb hit rate, and lower YAC (probably inefficient passes).

This reminds me of the NBA where offenses evolved - 3pt shots, buckets in the paint, and drawing fouls. In the NFL it'll be high first down pass rate with efficient passes that allow your playmakers to get YAC. If you run, favor runs to the outside. Also bazooka arms that get the ball quickly to your receivers make this strategy.

Where does that put us? We've got the right idea with low sack and Qb hit rate and trending in the right direction when it comes to first down passes and Pass Rate Over Expected. Passing plays stayed aggressive with yards past the sticks, We just ran exclusively to the inside with very little runs to the outside. Our YAC also hurt us, a personnel issue.

Conclusion? Perhaps it is true with improved scheme and improved personnel our offense will be much improved. A lot hinges on Tua improving his zip on passes which will help our receivers with YAC. Arm strength in today's NFL is so so important. This is why the Dolphins should still consider drafting Qb at #3. A running back that can bounce runs to the outside is a priority too.
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Arm strength doesn’t really factor in when it comes to highly efficient first down passing. Also a running back that can excel in the stretch run game is important not one that bounces it outside.
 
10-6 we had good yr..need open offense up..would like see more deep ball to wr..on play action from Tua..
 
It's the funniest thing when Bill's,Packers and Chiefs are brought up on Offensive schemes.They all 1 thing in common to go with there QB.
A great WR.I mean you can literally put the 3 as top 3 wr in the league.
I still believe that Parker was hurt basically all year by injury early.I am not trying to justify his bad season but something wasnt right.The rest of the wr dont scare no1.
Time to find a TRUE #1 wr for Tua.
 
Tua's arm strength will improve as time passes and the hip is truly 100%. Tom Brady's arm became stronger in the NFL through training and working out. Meanwhile, the bomb to Grant that he dropped was a flick of the wrist 55 yard throw so don't lose sleep over Tua's arm. Give Tua some playmakers and watch him make plays.
 
I do not know how people forget that Tua is not that far removed from a devastating injury and then a very long rehab.

I recall his injury history being talked about quite a bit leading up to the Draft but somehow we know have collective amnesia.

My theory is that he is going to be physically stronger and more confident next year with more time to fully recover from his injury and train more.

A proper off season, mini camps and a real training camp might help him too.

Granted, that is just a theory.
 
AvogadrosNumber said:
Interesting, thanks for sharing.

To me it looks like very high first down pass rate, with efficient passes that are getting great return on YAC, is really where the Chiefs, Packers, and Bills are distinguishing themselves. Fewer inside runs (unlike us), most runs to the outside.

Teams like the Texans, Eagles, and Seahawks have the right idea with high first down pass rates and high YPA, but are getting killed with high sack rates, Qb hit rate, and lower YAC (probably inefficient passes).

This reminds me of the NBA where offenses evolved - 3pt shots, buckets in the paint, and drawing fouls. In the NFL it'll be high first down pass rate with efficient passes that allow your playmakers to get YAC. If you run, favor runs to the outside. Also bazooka arms that get the ball quickly to your receivers make this strategy.

Where does that put us? We've got the right idea with low sack and Qb hit rate and trending in the right direction when it comes to first down passes and Pass Rate Over Expected. Passing plays stayed aggressive with yards past the sticks, We just ran exclusively to the inside with very little runs to the outside. Our YAC also hurt us, a personnel issue.

Conclusion? Perhaps it is true with improved scheme and improved personnel our offense will be much improved. A lot hinges on Tua improving his zip on passes which will help our receivers with YAC. Arm strength in today's NFL is so so important. This is why the Dolphins should still consider drafting Qb at #3. A running back that can bounce runs to the outside is a priority too.
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Tua's arm strength is fine. Not sure why this continues to be brought up its our receivers lack of playmaking ability that affects their YAC not his zip on the ball.
 
Convenient that arm strength becomes an issue for Tua when one of the teams in the championship game is... 329 year old Tom Brady.

He seemed to throw for 40 TDs just fine.
 
MiamiMuss said:
It's the funniest thing when Bill's,Packers and Chiefs are brought up on Offensive schemes.They all 1 thing in common to go with there QB.
A great WR.I mean you can literally put the 3 as top 3 wr in the league.
I still believe that Parker was hurt basically all year by injury early.I am not trying to justify his bad season but something wasnt right.The rest of the wr dont scare no1.
Time to find a TRUE #1 wr for Tua.
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Actually, 1st down success rate heavily favors the passing game over the running game whether you have a good QB or not...
 
MiamiMuss said:
It's the funniest thing when Bill's,Packers and Chiefs are brought up on Offensive schemes.They all 1 thing in common to go with there QB.
A great WR.I mean you can literally put the 3 as top 3 wr in the league.
I still believe that Parker was hurt basically all year by injury early.I am not trying to justify his bad season but something wasnt right.The rest of the wr dont scare no1.
Time to find a TRUE #1 wr for Tua.
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I agree. Parker seemed slower this year. I know early on it was the hamstring. But Miami needs more talent at wide receiver.
 
BSQ said:
Tua's arm strength will improve as time passes and the hip is truly 100%. Tom Brady's arm became stronger in the NFL through training and working out. Meanwhile, the bomb to Grant that he dropped was a flick of the wrist 55 yard throw so don't lose sleep over Tua's arm. Give Tua some playmakers and watch him make plays.
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I agree with expecting Tua's arm strength to improve as his health improves. From what i saw in college i expected a better arm thus far in the pros, so i'll equate some of that to the injury.

Brady was able to improve with strength training and mechanics. He's also 4 inches taller with arms 2.25 inches longer, which helps generate more velocity at release with his arm angle.

But here's the biggest question i see with Tua being able to take that next step - does he have enough arm (or will he improve with health) to make those off-rhythm throws.....off his back foot, off-balance while sliding in the pocket, etc. Mahomes, Allen and Rodgers can and that allows them to be special against pressure or when things break down. The pockets in NFL are rarely clean for long. It goes back to the Bama open comment about WRs. It stands true for OL play as well.
 
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