Official: Feeley sucks.

[adamprez2003]

Feeley's performance.

Play:

1. Ogunleye offsides and sacks Feeley. No play.
2. very nice pass to Marty Booker coming back to the ball. 20yds in the air. accurate. appears to only have looked to Booker.
3. Handoff to Gordon
4. Handoff to Gordon
5. Shotgun 3rd-7. Very nice pass down the middle to DT who drops the pass. 30yds in the air. Just a hair high, and a slight wobble in the spiral but very easily catchable. Feeley appeared to look only to Thompson...too bad, because Chambers had beaten his man (21) and would have had a TD. Booker had about 5 yards on his guy too.
6. Phins punt, Chicago drives the field and scores.
7. Feeley under Center, good protection from the line, pass hits Marty Booker on the move. 20 yds in the air...gain of 16. Again a very well thrown ball. Very good velocity, much tighter spiral. Slight playaction move and Feeley looked for an instant to the center of the field before firing to Booker on the left side. nobody else appeared to be open.
8. Handoff to Williams
9. Feeley under Center. Incomplete pass intended for Chambers. bad decision as Chambers appeared to be doubled. Feeley stared a hole through Chambers jersey before throwing. Looked like the WR on the right was open. Might have been Bryan Gilmore.
10. Shotgun. Corner blitz not picked up and Nathan Vasher comes through untouched. Feeley throws the ball into the Line (looked like it hit Carey)
11. Phins punt, Bears drive and punt.
12. Feeley under Center. Decent protection. Short out to Donald Lee. Ball has nice touch. Placed well. Feeley appeared to be staring more to the center of the Field before coming back to Lee.
13. Handoff to Williams
14. Shotgun. Swing pass to Ricky Williams in the flat. Nice touch. Feely looked to his WR and/or TE on the right before looking over to Ricky. Well placed ball.
15. Phins punt, Bears drive and punt.
16. Feeley under Center. Drops back. Looks only to the right before getting hammered by Urlacher.
17. Feeley's day is over.

Feeley really didnt do bad. Very accurate throws and he is developing a nice touch on the shorter balls. he still stares down his receiver...especially on the deep ball, but he seems to check off on the shorter stuff. At least he doesnt do it ALL the time now.
Gus played better tonight, but Feeley really doesnt have anything to be ashamed of.

Thank you for taking the time to write that breakdown. How people get Feeley sucked from that is amazing to me! I thought everyone would come out impressed by Feeley, Frerotte and even Berlin but was amazed to see the same imbecilic rantings from the usual suspects. It was also interesting to see the different approaches Feeley and Frerotte took. Feeley was looking downfield first and foremost while Frerotte was looking for the short stuff primarily. I wonder which approach Linehan favors

 

[SF Dolfan]

Classic misunderstand/overreact thread. One quarter does not a player make.

I thought A.J. did pretty well. He didn't turn it over. He didn't make bad throws. He didn't force anything. He threw a GREAT pass with a man in his face to Thompson on 3rd and long between three defenders only to have Thompson drop it (Derrius is in regular season form already).

He still locked onto his receivers. I don't know if that's unfamiliarity with the offense or just a flaw in his game. It happened last year as well. But we know all about that.

The talk is of the Urlacher play. But there was really nowhere for him to go. He did the right thing taking the sack.

Gus looked pretty good. He's got a two year headstart in the offense. And it showed. He knows where everyone's supposed to be and what to expect. None of the other QBs have that advantage yet.

Frerotte was facing the 1st team, and almost scored a TD to Diamond between three defenders. The TD drive came against the second team.

Right now it's Frerotte based on familiarity and experience. He'll get the start Saturday. We'll see what happens.

Very true! I thought QB play was encouraging. If we're going to overreact to anything, I'm choosing the secondary. Howard looked awful, just like last season. DT as the 3rd WR gets my second overreaction. He's been consistently bad for too many seasons now. Why does he have to practice so well!

 

[SF Dolfan]

Feeley's performance.

Play:

1. Ogunleye offsides and sacks Feeley. No play.
2. very nice pass to Marty Booker coming back to the ball. 20yds in the air. accurate. appears to only have looked to Booker.
3. Handoff to Gordon
4. Handoff to Gordon
5. Shotgun 3rd-7. Very nice pass down the middle to DT who drops the pass. 30yds in the air. Just a hair high, and a slight wobble in the spiral but very easily catchable. Feeley appeared to look only to Thompson...too bad, because Chambers had beaten his man (21) and would have had a TD. Booker had about 5 yards on his guy too.
6. Phins punt, Chicago drives the field and scores.
7. Feeley under Center, good protection from the line, pass hits Marty Booker on the move. 20 yds in the air...gain of 16. Again a very well thrown ball. Very good velocity, much tighter spiral. Slight playaction move and Feeley looked for an instant to the center of the field before firing to Booker on the left side. nobody else appeared to be open.
8. Handoff to Williams
9. Feeley under Center. Incomplete pass intended for Chambers. bad decision as Chambers appeared to be doubled. Feeley stared a hole through Chambers jersey before throwing. Looked like the WR on the right was open. Might have been Bryan Gilmore.
10. Shotgun. Corner blitz not picked up and Nathan Vasher comes through untouched. Feeley throws the ball into the Line (looked like it hit Carey)
11. Phins punt, Bears drive and punt.
12. Feeley under Center. Decent protection. Short out to Donald Lee. Ball has nice touch. Placed well. Feeley appeared to be staring more to the center of the Field before coming back to Lee.
13. Handoff to Williams
14. Shotgun. Swing pass to Ricky Williams in the flat. Nice touch. Feely looked to his WR and/or TE on the right before looking over to Ricky. Well placed ball.
15. Phins punt, Bears drive and punt.
16. Feeley under Center. Drops back. Looks only to the right before getting hammered by Urlacher.
17. Feeley's day is over.

Feeley really didnt do bad. Very accurate throws and he is developing a nice touch on the shorter balls. he still stares down his receiver...especially on the deep ball, but he seems to check off on the shorter stuff. At least he doesnt do it ALL the time now.
Gus played better tonight, but Feeley really doesnt have anything to be ashamed of.

Great Post! Thanks for taking the time to detail the drives. I thought he made a great throw to get it in there to DT. WOuld've certainly kept the drive going. He had pressure so I don't know if he could have gotten to the other guys. I'll have to review!

 

[Dphins4me]

I don't need to provide examples or even be biased for that matter- It's football not politics. I know what I saw.

To be honest, you do not know what you seen.

You made this comment below in another post in this thread.

Feeley had enough time to get rid of the ball on that play before Urlacher got to him.

AJ had less than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball (I put a stop watch on the play, since I had to tape it.) As soon as he stopped his drop back, he had to step up to avoid the unblocked Alex Brown & Urlacher was there to take him down. Yet you think he had time to get rid of it. I guess if he was throwing during his drop back, then you would be correct. but maybe my tape was on fastforward and it really was 15 seconds.

and I don't need to recollect and recant every play in which Feeley struggled because it's not about individual instances.. it's about all around composure and instinct..

Or the fact you are biased.

I think you're a blind homer. Sorry, bud.

Of course you think I am. I'm pointing out flaws in what you are saying and you are not able to refute it, so you start calling me names.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

To be honest, you do not know what you seen.

You made this comment below in another post in this thread.



AJ had less than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball (I put a stop watch on the play, since I had to tape it.) As soon as he stopped his drop back, he had to step up to avoid the unblocked Alex Brown & Urlacher was there to take him down. Yet you think he had time to get rid of it. I guess if he was throwing during his drop back, then you would be correct. but maybe my tape was on fastforward and it really was 15 seconds.


Or the fact you are biased.


Of course you think I am. I'm pointing out flaws in what you are saying and you are not able to refute it, so you start calling me names.

Blah blah blah... Your going to go cry because I called you a blind homer.. Please guy, this is football not ballet. I called you that because it's true, not because you think you are pointing out flaws in what I am saying. You can point out things that you think are flaws all you want - makes no sh!ts difference to me.

I know what I saw last night, I know what I saw of him in Philly, I know what I saw of him last year, I know football and I know Feeley isn't the man for the job.. If he gets some mobility and instinct to go along with that accurate arm of his then great! We have a a MVP candidate on our hands but until then I'm not going to hope and dream for a 29 year old QB to develop.. And wouldntcha know it!!!! Saban won't either!!!!

People who know football will tell you Feeley sucked. You don't need 15 seconds to throw you need 5. I don't care what game you taped or watched, AJ had time to complete a pass on the play in question.. I've seen too many NFL QB's make that throw to say that.

Another thing.. You keep saying I'm biased... What am I? A fan of another ****ing team? A Gus Frerotte homer? WTF do I have to be biased about? Get it right.

:ri:

 

[serrat]

feeley sucked so bad i can bet that Matt Roth can play better QB then him.

 

[Dphins4me]

Blah blah blah... Your going to go cry because I called you a blind homer.. Please guy, this is football not ballet.

I got in trouble last night for simply saying a poster did not know what they are talking about.

I called you that because it's true, not because you think you are pointing out flaws in what I am saying.

Why is it true? What makes me a AJ homer? Because I disagree with your lack of sensibility on the subject? Maybe it simply makes me open minded on the subject.

Saying a QB had time to make a throw, when the fact is he had less than 3 sec. That is a fact. Not a opinion.

You can point out things that you think are flaws all you want - makes no sh!ts difference to me.

I'm not pointing out things I think are flaws. I'm pointing out horrendous errors on your part, based on facts.

I know what I saw last night, I know what I saw of him in Philly, I know what I saw of him last year, I know football and I know Feeley isn't the man for the job..

You may know football, but it is obvious that you are extermely biased on this subject.

If he gets some mobility and instinct to go along with that accurate arm of his then great! We have a a MVP candidate on our hands but until then I'm not going to hope and dream for a 29 year old QB to develop.. And wouldntcha know it!!!! Saban won't either!!!!

He is 28.

People who know football will tell you Feeley sucked.

Does this mean Saban does not know football? He did start AJ last night.

You don't need 15 seconds to throw you need 5.

Just a few minutes ago you said AJ had enough time when he had less than 3 seconds. Which is it 2.8 or 5 secs?

I don't care what game you taped or watched, AJ had time to complete a pass on the play in question.. I've seen too many NFL QB's make that throw to say that.

So facts are not important to you? I would think someone would also have to be able to get open in those 2.8 secs.

Who should AJ thrown a pass to on that play? Who was open in the 2.8 secs that he could have delivered a good throw too?

Another thing.. You keep saying I'm biased... What am I? A fan of another ****ing team? A Gus Frerotte homer? WTF do I have to be biased about? Get it straight.

:hmmm: You can call me a homer & that is alright, but I say you are biased against one QB & you go get upset. WTF?

You are biased because you are looking for everything AJ does poorly. It does not matter to you what he does good, you are simply looking for the poor items.

Sometimes even good players will be a bad play.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

I'll dissect your post later like you did mine - going to dinner.

I'll say this though: I didn't get upset that you called me bias. It juat makes no sense as to why you would call me that. You have no evidence to support my bias. I have nothing to be bias about! If I saw an improved or a good AJ Feeley out there, believe me, I would not be dogging him. I would be ecstatic!

 

[jlfin]

thats nt an escuse...you should be prepeared for blitzes..i mean you are trying to win a starting job

Feeley or the O-line. I thought so.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

Excellent post Yankee....you did'nt take those notes on the fly did you?


I am changing my note taking strategy this year but I sure the hell could'nt see myself being able to be that specific....good job though.

LOL, no I didnt do all that on the fly. I wish I could though. I recorded the game on the computer and played each play back several times to look at each area such as: under center or shotgun, accuracy, control and velocity of the pass, anybody else open, did he "lock on" to his receiver, touch, placement of ball, etc.

It took a while and I tried to be as objective as possible.

Thanks to you and all those that voiced appreciation for the effort.

 

[adamprez2003]

HEY YANKEEHILLBILLY I took your approach and did my analysis of Frerotte. You will be glad to hear we were both dubbed feeley huggers immediately by the Gusketeers

 

[yankeehillbilly]

What game?

BTW that was a nice throw. Did you know Thompson was the primary receiver on that play? I bet you didnt!!!

yeah, he was. Feeley didnt look elsewhere because if he had he would have seen that Chambers had a couple steps on his DB running down the left side. Booker had a step on his as well on the right side.

Even so, the ball was very well thrown and absolutely should have been caught. But, thats kinda what we've come to expect from DT isnt it?

 

[PhinBeck]

FINRI, you know football? ANyone who knows football would agree with you? WHy is it when Dphins disagreed with you you revert to I am smarter and I know football? WHy didnt you refute his points? Can you? If you know so much about football why dont you refute his counter? The alleged bias comes in when you make a point, it is refuted and corroborated and yet instead of countering teh counter you call a homer? Is it because you were caught?

God I hate people that bash people who support AJ, not saying is for fact the answer but has tools, yet think they are objective, clear fans. That is teh funniest thing about these debates.

Classic example is the many people making "excuses" for why Gus was not a success with the 5 previous teams he played for. Yet when the same excuse is made for a 1st yr starter with his SECOND team, it is he suks. Well maybe he does, but If you go by past history, which you are with AJ, then Gus most certainly sucks.

Face it your football knowledge is based on your experiences, your interpretations of those experiences (playing, coaching, watching, studying) trouble is your knowledge isnt undebateable facts whether you think they are or not. I guarentte I have football knowledge, played, coached, studied, etc.. and teh one thing I have learned is that is not one recipe for success, one timetable, one magic potion. Players are elite, very good, above avg, avg, poor, horrid and camp fodder. AJ isnt elite, he would have shown that by now, you dont have to be a genius to see that. Elite players show magic from teh start, they may not excel right away but they show glimpses, flashes. I have never seen any post claiming AJ would be in Marinos class. But neither will Gus.

have your opinion. But dont act like your opinion is superior to mine just because you say you have football knowledge.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

HEY YANKEEHILLBILLY I took your approach and did my analysis of Frerotte. You will be glad to hear we were both dubbed feeley huggers immediately by the Gusketeers

LOL. I havent read your analysis yet but I do look forward to it. Thanks in advance for the effort...I know how time consuming it can be.

As for somebody calling me a "feeley hugger".... well, really if thats their response to an objective post that doesnt fall in line with their opinions, then they are the one with the problem.

 

[Orange Porpoise]

A.J. threw pretty good I thought. I'm glad he took the sack instead of throwing it up for grabs. He put the ball on the money in his passes and would have had our offense moving if derrius didn't let the ball slip through his fingers. You guys judge too quickly. I think A.J. will start and do just fine. Remember it's pre-season, he came out of the game for precautionary reasons i'm sure, a meaningless game so no reason to leave him in there and take a chance. He has 4 more games to show what he has and he will improve.