offseason

[D0lphan72]

does anybody think we might add one of the following to our team this offseason?

WR
Boldin
Marshall
Calvin johnson

And also does anybody agree with me that we should get a good #1 wr, but keep all of our wrs but turner, i mean...

Camarillo- extremely good hands, and just a guy that gets the team hyped up, i can see that from him, he loves this team and his teamates

Ginn-i absolutely hated him at the beginning of the season, but ever since the saints game, he has tried to, and has improved, he's been catching decently and is a decent kick returner, just toughen him up and he could be great with some seperation

Bess-good slot and makes some amazing catches, obviosly great on 3rd down, we could fix his basics and he could be amazing

hartline, i see alot of potential in this kid, every time he gets thrown to, something good just about always happening, he keeps training hard and he'll do work for us

 

[Kdawg954]

Calvin Johnson would take 2 #1's . . . atleast.

Brandon Marshall would take a 1st and a 3rd.

Anquan Boldin probably would take a 2nd, but maybe a high third will get it done . . . I seriously doubt he is a Cardinal next season, so I would do our 3rd for Q.

I think Q, Ginn, Bess, Hartline and Turner could be a nice set of WR's. U have the veteran all around guy, the speedster, the slot guy, the all around youngster and the redzone/possession guy.

We gotta get rid of either Camarillo/Hartline/Bess . . . I don't see all 3 back on this team next season. My guess would be trading Camarillo for a mid round draft pick. We have invested a third on Turner, u can't give up on him after one season.

 

[fiftyofhaze]

I think this is the year we pull the trigger on a
top wr as numerous talks erupted before the
deadline and it's clear that Ireland knows
he needs to make a move

 

[MrEd]

Calvin Johnson would take 2 #1's . . . atleast.

Brandon Marshall would take a 1st and a 3rd.

Anquan Boldin probably would take a 2nd, but maybe a high third will get it done . . . I seriously doubt he is a Cardinal next season, so I would do our 3rd for Q.

I think Q, Ginn, Bess, Hartline and Turner could be a nice set of WR's. U have the veteran all around guy, the speedster, the slot guy, the all around youngster and the redzone/possession guy.

We gotta get rid of either Camarillo/Hartline/Bess . . . I don't see all 3 back on this team next season. My guess would be trading Camarillo for a mid round draft pick. We have invested a third on Turner, u can't give up on him after one season.

If we were to trade for Boldin I believe that would all but guarantee that Turner will be cut. Because Boldin would basically fill the role that Turner was drafted to fill. Trading for Boldin is an admission to failing on the Turner pick.

So with that BOldin trade scenario, I would see Boldin, Ginn, Hartline, "either" Bess or Grice-Mullen or even Pat White, and Camarillo instead.

I mean, you got to look at what they bring in to see which position they are trying to improve. Grice-Mullen is a slot guy. So that shows me that Ireland is looking for competition for Bess. Bess struggled as a PR and he doesn't give us much for yards after catch out the slot. Yeah, he's sure handed there, but Camarillo gives you that.

The point of Bess over Camarillo (which Camarillo was the starter, not Bess by the way) would be that Bess is a wee bit more shifty and "potentially has the quickness to produce more YARDS AFTER CATCH", but however Bess does NOT.

So i would say that with Ireland's targets and Parcells mentioning that he was a fast, SPEEDY guy who can make BIG PLAYS...he is looking to upgrade over Bess. JMO of course. Just looking at the clues.

So Boldin would be the big strong WR role that Turne was brought in to fill. But they have their doubts of Turner. But does that mean they will give up on him? Well, if Boldin is brought in, I think so.

Now I believe Hartline was brought in to either compete with Bess for that slot spot (which I believe Hartline can produce more big plays from there than Bess) or to push Camarillo at that possession WR position. Which Boldin "can" fill as well. But Boldin wouldn't be replacing Hartline or Camarillo though. Because they can handle the possession/3rd down WR, I'd say as good or better than Bess.

Boldin would be the TD guy that Turner was brought in to fill.

Ginn Jr would 'only' be replaced with a SPEEDY/DEEP THEAT #1 WR. If they don't go and trade for one of those, Ginn Jr is guaranteed a spot on the roster/starting lineup next season. :rimshot:

 

[Kdawg954]

I mean we HAVE to add some sort of big time pass catching threat, whether at WR or TE.

Honestly, we should have given up that 2nd round pick for Tony Gonzalez instead of drafting Pat White.

This front office was scouting the Sooners last year, u gotta think they took a look at Jermaine Gresham for TE. Kid is physcially gifted, and is a all around playmaker at TE. If he has a full recovery, u definitely take him in round 2, if available of course.

U get Earl Thomas in round 1, draft Gresham in round 2 and trade for Boldin with the 3rd round pick, draft the best OLB in round 4 . . . sign Hampton and Dansby in FA . . . . talk about QUICKLY FIXING a team.

 

[Kdawg954]

I disagree with getting Boldin and cutting Turner . . . maybe having a guy like Boldin here is exactly what a player like Turner, hell even Ginn, could use down here.

U may be right in us getting rid of Bess over Camarillo . . . that is a toss up IMO, but I just don't see us keeping both again next year.

 

[MrEd]

I mean we HAVE to add some sort of big time pass catching threat, whether at WR or TE.

Honestly, we should have given up that 2nd round pick for Tony Gonzalez instead of drafting Pat White.

This front office was scouting the Sooners last year, u gotta think they took a look at Jermaine Gresham for TE. Kid is physcially gifted, and is a all around playmaker at TE. If he has a full recovery, u definitely take him in round 2, if available of course.

U get Earl Thomas in round 1, draft Gresham in round 2 and trade for Boldin with the 3rd round pick, draft the best OLB in round 4 . . . sign Hampton and Dansby in FA . . . . talk about QUICKLY FIXING a team.

If we are going to draft Gresham, we'd have to either trade down or use our 2nd round pick and trade UP. He is not lasting to the 2nd round.

 

[MrEd]

I disagree with getting Boldin and cutting Turner . . . maybe having a guy like Boldin here is exactly what a player like Turner, hell even Ginn, could use down here.

U may be right in us getting rid of Bess over Camarillo . . . that is a toss up IMO, but I just don't see us keeping both again next year.

Well, I just don't think MIA will go 2010 again with no backup deepthreat for Ginn Jr or competition for KR/PR. Right now, we risked the whole 2009 of a Ginn Jr injury away from no one to come in and stretch the field or be a threat to take a return the distance.

Now if they can put Pat White at KR/PR and backup deep threat then fine, I agree. But not sure they are merely going to do that. I think this Grice-Mullen guy and a draft pick or so will compete to push Bess out and replace PR/KR with a threat and a backup speedster to Ginn Jr should he get injured, which Im sorry to say he's "due" for...:facepalm:

 

[MrEd]

I disagree with getting Boldin and cutting Turner . . . maybe having a guy like Boldin here is exactly what a player like Turner, hell even Ginn, could use down here.

U may be right in us getting rid of Bess over Camarillo . . . that is a toss up IMO, but I just don't see us keeping both again next year.

Also, the reason I feel Boldin would replace Turner and not Bess or Camarillo is because Bess and Camarillo are basically 3rd down/Possession receivers, not TD "big play" guys, which Boldin is and Turner was brought in to be.

Camarillo, Hartline, and Bess are basically the same "type" of role player. Hartline though shows a bit of big play potential in him, but possession guy nonetheless.

Of course, Ginn Jr is the deep threat, which right now, we have no one behind. So I'm sure Ireland will be looking to replace one of these one too many possession guys with a backup for Ginn Jr at the deep theat spot/KR/PR.

So you have to choose from Bess, Hartline (isn't going anywhere) and Camarillo. Only thing that Bess had over Camarillo was PR (which he blows at). So Hartline and Camarillo are #1 and #2 possession guys. But they don't fill the KR/PR guy that Bess was filling and sucking at.

So I would say Grice-Mullen, a draft pick or someone else (maybe even Pat White but not sure) would be pushing for that backup deepthreat/KR/PR spot behind Ginn Jr that would also eliminate the need for Bess as the slot guy.

Turner wouldn't count there as he would be the only big TD guy, not a possession or slot/3rd down guy necessarily. So Boldin would be what Turner is groomed to become. Boldin wouldn't be brought in to fill the 3rd down possession/slot guy...he'd be that redzone TD guy. See what I'm saying?

 

[Drubatuba]

I dont see why everyone is so fasinated with trying to fix our "wr problem" I honestly don't think we have a seriouse problem at WR. Yeah we droped alot of passes at first but as the year progressed Chad Henne got more confortable and the recievers got used to his rocket passes. I think if they work this off season on running routes and cathing balls we wont have a problem. Twards the end of the season we had 3 300 yard passing games. I dont see what else you can do to improve on that.

 

[Kdawg954]

I dont see why everyone is so fasinated with trying to fix our "wr problem" I honestly don't think we have a seriouse problem at WR. Yeah we droped alot of passes at first but as the year progressed Chad Henne got more confortable and the recievers got used to his rocket passes. I think if they work this off season on running routes and cathing balls we wont have a problem. Twards the end of the season we had 3 300 yard passing games. I dont see what else you can do to improve on that.

We have a talented group of WR's . . . but none of them have stepped up to become a go to option on a consistent basis. Ted Ginn has flashed maybe 3 or 4 times in 3 years . . . that is not good enough. Fasano was even more of a let down this year, as we left 2008 with TE as a strength and now it seems weaker than ever.

Truth be told, if we went ALL defense in FA and the draft, I wouldn't be upset . . . but eventually the guys we have need to step up or we have to get somebody.

 

[pgfinfan]

Boldin

I have one big fear with going and getting Boldin. Could he be this years TJ. Seattle failed badly with that move. TJ worked with Ocho much like Boldin works with Fizgerald. Can Boldin do the job on his own. He could be a very costly mistake!

 

[Kdawg954]

I have one big fear with going and getting Boldin. Could he be this years TJ. Seattle failed badly with that move. TJ worked with Ocho much like Boldin works with Fizgerald. Can Boldin do the job on his own. He could be a very costly mistake!

Before Fitz got there, Boldin put up one of the greatest seasons ever by a rookie WR, and that was without Kurt Warner. He has been very consistent since that season, and that is with arguably the game's best WR opposite of him.

He definitely isn't TJ, but I am worried about his injury history and he is getting up there in age, definitely wouldn't give up a first for him, and even a second is starting to get questionable. Atleast TJ was free

 

[jkgrice71]

does anybody think we might add one of the following to our team this offseason?

WR
Boldin
Marshall
Calvin johnson

And also does anybody agree with me that we should get a good #1 wr, but keep all of our wrs but turner, i mean...

Camarillo- extremely good hands, and just a guy that gets the team hyped up, i can see that from him, he loves this team and his teamates

Ginn-i absolutely hated him at the beginning of the season, but ever since the saints game, he has tried to, and has improved, he's been catching decently and is a decent kick returner, just toughen him up and he could be great with some seperation

Bess-good slot and makes some amazing catches, obviosly great on 3rd down, we could fix his basics and he could be amazing

hartline, i see alot of potential in this kid, every time he gets thrown to, something good just about always happening, he keeps training hard and he'll do work for us

Hello,
With so many holes to fill I seriously doubt the Dolphins braintrust will give up any draft picks over the fifth round for anyone. Just based off the level of play in this weekends wild card games the Fins need a lot more talent to seriously compete.