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How quickly people forget a winning streak. Yeah, it sucks that we lost against Baltimore but it certainly is not the end.

Prior to the season I predicted an 8-8 record only because I upgraded our division record. A prediction of an 8-8 record was considered homeristic. :lol:
They flipped games on me (L to TN and W vs Steelers) and won an extra game I thought they would lose (in SD). The Dolphins were on pace to win 9 games on my sheet. And they still are. The last 4 games I was thinking of a 2-2 record (W vcs Cards and in NY, L in Buffalo and vs NE). If everything stays we will indeed end up with a 9-7 record and that is a huge improvement.

I certainly do not think we will be worse than 2-2 in the last 4 games but the opposite can very easily happen. The games in Buffalo and against the Pats are up for the taking and that would definitely keep us in the playoff race for the last game of the season.

Pre Baltimore I was thinking that this is the game to change the franchise. A win against Baltimore and I would have bet my house that the Dolphins would have stayed undefeated prior to the NE game and with the Pats maybe losing a game somewhere along the line setting up an AFC East Division showdown. That is now highly unlikely.

But we still have a lot to play for. Losing to Baltimore is not new to us. Somehow they have had our numbers over the years and that seems to continue. The team played flat in pretty much every aspect. But that blowout loss is also a blessing in disguise. We know that we are not that bad anymore. The team knows they are not that bad. They just had a bad day - from coaches to players. After a 6 week high I'll give them that. And to be honest I settled for a loss very early in the game. Sure the hope to win is always there but I was quite content. Nothing seems to go right and the score reflects that. I take a loss like that much easier than one of those nail biters and sit around afterwards and discuss this one play or the other which may have changed the outcome.

For the near future: the playoffs are still in sight. It may be a little harder but not impossible. Right now we occupy the #7 slot with one game out of a playoff spot (Denver at 8-4). As strong as the AFC West looks (currently 3 of 4 teams holding a playoff spot) Denver looks the most likely candidate to be caught. KC has already two games on us. Denver could easily lose 3 of their 4 remaining games. (NE, @KC, OAK).
I take the #5 spot completely out of the equation. That spot will be occupied by the loser of the AFC West division race (KC or OAK).

To make Denver our target I want KC and OAK to win their remaining games and I don't care what they do against each other. One will go 3-1 and one will go 4-0.
This is a very reasonable expectation and in that scenario Denver will go no better than 2-2 and end up with a 10-6 record (at best).

The AFC North is a tight division. Baltimore ahead of Steelers. Naturally I hope the Ravens take the division. In a 2-team tiebreaker scenario we have the advantage over the Steelers. In a perfect world we win out and it doesn't matter because neither can go unbeaten. Either one or both would end up 10-6 and we would end up 11-5. But we do have to expect at least one more loss (just to be reasonable). The most likely scenario right now a three-way tiebreaker for the last wild card. Since none of the clubs involved has a sweep over the other two (doesn't matter who the three contenders would be) the conference record will be the first tiebreaker. In that case we do not want a scenario of DEN-BAL-MIA. Baltimore sits at 7-2, Denver at 5-3 and us at 5-4.
Either way you look at it we want Baltimore to win the division. In that case I want them to go 4-0, take the division outright and make Pitts climb to 3-1 in the last 4 games much harder (here comes Buffalo).

No we look at the four 6-6 teams (Indy will join them after tonight).
Buffalo 6-6
TN 6-6
Colts 6-6
Houston 6-6

I would take two teams off right away. Colts will lose @ Oakland and Titans will lose @ KC which will give them at least 7 losses and will designate them to a spoiler role. And with the game Texans vs Colts next weekend one team will be eliminated from playoff contention and one will play for the AFC South. Though with 7 losses you are not mathematically eliminated but you need a gazillion scenarios just to be in contention with a possible four or five 9-7 teams with a gazillion tiebreaker scenarios.
Buffalo though could go 4-0. I penciled a loss in Buffalo already in. Their next three are all at home vs Steelers, Cleveland, Dolphins and closing out @ Jets.
In case of any tiebreaker scenario between more than 2 teams we would beat Buffalo based on division record (head-to-head is a tie before going to the conference.

Most likely scenarios:
Baltimore 10-6 going 3-1 (L @ NE, W vs Eagles, W @ Steelers, W @ Bengals)
Pittsburgh 9-7 going 2-2 (L @ Buffalo, W @ Bengals, W vs Cleveland; L vs Ravens)
* Baltimore wins division
Denver 9-7 going 1-3 (W @Titans, L vs NE, L @KC, L vs Raiders
Dolphins 10-6 going 3-1 (W vs Cardinals, W @ Jets, L @ Buffalo, W vs NE, )
Buffalo 10-6 going 4-0 (W vs Steelers, vs Cleveland, vs Dolphins, @ Jets)

One thing for sure: there will be a 10-6 team going to the playoffs and a 10-6 team (or multiple) staying home. 9-7 will not get you a playoff spot and an 11-5 record will almost assure you a playoff spot.

Scenarios for the AFC East:
If everything stays put the Pats win the division by at least one game (most likely 2 games). Buffalo and Dolphins are on track to compete for the last WC spot.

Games to watch for week 14 (I highlighted my wishful thinking):
Dec 12 Baltimore @ NE (a Pats win would help us vs Baltimore, a Baltimore win would help us vs Pittsburgh)
Dec 11 Pittsburgh @ Buffalo (a Buffalo win would help us vs Pittsburgh, a Pittsburgh win would help us vs Buffalo)
Dec 11 Cardinals @ Dolphins (no explanation needed)
Dec 11 Denver @ Tennessee (a TN loss would drop TN to 7 losses which is good, a Denver loss would help us in the long run)
- all other games have no immediate impact at this time.

If Baltimore can indeed beat the Pats another scenario would open up for us again: the AFC East. But for that we have to go 4-0 and NE has to drop one of their other two games: @ Denver or vs Jets. But that would be another scenario for another day.
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Good break down phins. As it usually does it's going to come down to us beating division rivals in December. Something we've had trouble with in the recent past,
A win against Arizona would be great but beat the Jets , Bill and Pats and let the cards fall where they may.
 
Man, we lost to a good team, I have no problem with that. Just need to regroup, I can't complain, things could really be worse especially with all of these injuries we have.
 
I highly doubt we beat the Cardinals. They have a physical defense and haven't allowed any QBs to throw for over 300 yeards this season.
David Johnson is a threat running and catching, he'll feast on our inadequate LB play.
We're definietly an underdog this weekend.
 
The division isn't up for grabs. I don't know how anyone can have faith in Miami now that they've been exposed. The defense is horrific.
 
A loss is a loss... Our playoff chances wouldnt be better if lost the game by 3 points. I think for this team at this very moment, the way we lost might be better than a nail biter... I bet you're going to watch a pissed off team vs the Cards... At least I would hope so...
 
A loss is a loss... Our playoff chances wouldnt be better if lost the game by 3 points. I think for this team at this very moment, the way we lost might be better than a nail biter... I bet you're going to watch a pissed off team vs the Cards... At least I would hope so...

I hope so because they showed almost no fight that 2nd half versus the Ravens. We'll see if Gase has really changed that lockerroom this Sunday.
 
losing to a good team is one thing but being as pathetic as we were yesterday is a different story. I have no trust at all in our defense. I really could see us going 0-5 to end the season. None of those games will be easy with our defense playing like that. I believe our offense will do better than yesterday but can they do enough to make up for our defense? I'm not so sure.

Ozzy rules!!
 
I would get any thought of winning the Division out of your head, that just isn't going to happen. The Dolphins are a long shot to get a wild card spot.

Best thing for the Dolphins, other than winning as many games as they can, is for New England to win their next 3, yeah I know I hate them and find it nauseating to root for them but this will potentially help the Dolphins get a playoff spot.

If the Raiders slip up and lose their next 2, which are tough Divisional games, @ Chiefs & @ Chargers. Giving the Raiders 4 loses.

The Chiefs may need to lose another game before week 17.

The Patriots would have the #1 seed in hand and hopefully rest some starters for their week 17 game vs the Dolphins.

Assuming a loss to the Patriots the Broncos would have to lose 1 (preferably 2) of their other 3 remaining games

Also assuming a loss to the Patriots, the Ravens need to lose another game @ Pittsburgh or @ Cincinnati are probably the best chance of that happening.Giving the Ravens 7 loses.

Since the Steelers would win the AFC north and no longer be a threat for the wildcard it would be great if they would beat the Bills giving the Bills 7 loses.

Two of the top three AFC South teams would preferably also lose at least one more game.

If the Dolphins can at least win 2 out of 3 between the Cardinals, Jets & Bills and beat a Patriots team with backups playing in week 17 that would get them to 10-6. The loser of the Raiders/Chiefs AFC Division title tiebreaker will get the 5th seed. Then hopefully the Dolphins can beat out the Broncos for the 6th seed.

Bottom line with some help the Dolphins could possibly get in at 10-6. At 9-7 it will be nearly impossible for them to get in.
 
losing to a good team is one thing but being as pathetic as we were yesterday is a different story. I have no trust at all in our defense. I really could see us going 0-5 to end the season. None of those games will be easy with our defense playing like that. I believe our offense will do better than yesterday but can they do enough to make up for our defense? I'm not so sure.

Ozzy rules!!

I agree, losing another game was inevitable. Getting destroyed by the Ravens was unacceptable. I don't know how the team will respond but if they continue to play like they did yesterday they aren't going to win another game.
 
A loss is a loss now the coaching staff has to adjust. The secondary would look alot better if we had Jones and Howard. Next year we will, time to focus on LBs who can cover
 
I would get any thought of winning the Division out of your head, that just isn't going to happen. The Dolphins are a long shot to get a wild card spot.

Best thing for the Dolphins, other than winning as many games as they can, is for New England to win their next 3, yeah I know I hate them and find it nauseating to root for them but this will potentially help the Dolphins get a playoff spot.

If the Raiders slip up and lose their next 2, which are tough Divisional games, @ Chiefs & @ Chargers. Giving the Raiders 4 loses.

The Chiefs may need to lose another game before week 17.

The Patriots would have the #1 seed in hand and hopefully rest some starters for their week 17 game vs the Dolphins.

Assuming a loss to the Patriots the Broncos would have to lose 1 (preferably 2) of their other 3 remaining games

Also assuming a loss to the Patriots, the Ravens need to lose another game @ Pittsburgh or @ Cincinnati are probably the best chance of that happening.Giving the Ravens 7 loses.

Since the Steelers would win the AFC north and no longer be a threat for the wildcard it would be great if they would beat the Bills giving the Bills 7 loses.

Two of the top three AFC South teams would preferably also lose at least one more game.

If the Dolphins can at least win 2 out of 3 between the Cardinals, Jets & Bills and beat a Patriots team with backups playing in week 17 that would get them to 10-6. The loser of the Raiders/Chiefs AFC Division title tiebreaker will get the 5th seed. Then hopefully the Dolphins can beat out the Broncos for the 6th seed.

Bottom line with some help the Dolphins could possibly get in at 10-6. At 9-7 it will be nearly impossible for them to get in.

Did you actually read my post or did you just skip mostly everything? I know a lot of my posts are long but if it is too much trouble to remember what the contents was in the first sentence by the time anybody gets to the bottom just don't read it.

a) Division title: nowhere did I say that the Division title is in my head. I laid out the only scenario that could happen and it is unlikely. I believe I handed the division to NE in my post

b) as I made clear Oakland, KC and NE will not be involved in the WC race. So why bother how many games they may lose.

c) the path to a wild card is not a long shot. If they are going 4-0 they are in. If they go 3-1 they have a chance depending on tiebreakers which I gave reasonable explanations. They go 2-2 they will stay home. 4-0 is unreasonable but not impossible. 3-1 is reasonable and possible.

Based on your response you have not looked at every teams schedule and you have no idea about tiebreakers otherwise why would you not want Baltimore to win the division and rather gamble of them going 2-2 the rest of the way.

For those who think we are going 0-5 to end the season this is not your thread. As a matter of fact why even discuss the Dolphins if you think we are losing out. Why bother watching them?
Like I said a while ago I am glad that some of you never see the inside of Hardrock Stadium because I cannot imagine the misery sitting next to someone next Sunday who thinks we will go win less the rest of the season. The possibility that we could go 0-4 the next 4 games is there. But on the same token then possibility of going 4-0 is also there. Either scenario is unlikely to happen.

If anybody wants to really contribute to this thread make an attempt to actually put some thoughts and explanation behind your posts please do so I am really sick of this "Bwaahhhhaaaaa. We lost. We are loser. We will lose every game."

Right now we are in control of our season. Just like we were before the Baltimore game. The only thing changed is the margin of error.
 
We won 6 in a row. I aint mad in the least about the Bmore game. This is a good reality check game. We lost to a really good team at their house. Now, the team knows what they need to address, and hopefully we get back on track. Winning 4 straight from here is the new plan. Go Phins!
 
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