Ok, How 'bout Henne on 1st and 2nd and Penny on 3rd's

[Never say die]

Ok, seeing as the suggestion to play PW on first and second did not go over well, how 'bout Henne in on first and second downs .

Since, PW it appears you guys think can not hand off effectively in our run first offense. Nor can he pass or act as a decoy in the wildcat any better than CP. What would be your reactions to Henne in on first and seconds for the threat of a downfield passer to keep the safeties honest and thereby perhaps assisting our running game that much more? And Penny in on 3rd's for his short yardage passing efficiency?

This time try to add some thought process to your answers instead of: "Duh, I do not like Henne, he's toopid" like answers; tell me the flaws in the approach.

I.E.: Do you think that Penny would lose his efficiency if we only relied on him for 3rd downs? Are you opposed to platooning the QB's for some reason? etc.

Also, keep in mind the obvious things like: a.)We are a Running team who uses the Run to set up the pass. b.) Penny is very accurate for short throws. c.)The defense has to respect the long ball potential if the QB has the aptitude and d.) One of our QB's has to be better than the others for acting as the Wildcat option at receiver/blocker or threat.

I still for my opinion think that the coaches believe that PW adds the element for flexibilty that Henne does not. And I think that the move needs to be made to platoon to get another QB ready for the next years.

 

[NYinBostonFin]

If you are going to put Henne in, put him in. Platooning is not the way to go with a Qb.

 

[Never say die]

If you are going to put Henne in, put him in. Platooning is not the way to go with a Qb.

I would normally agree. However, in effect we are already doing it for what has become our most effective play set. I'm guessing you are opposed to platooning for a reason. Would not that same reason be applicable when we take the ball out of the QB's hands to run the wildcat?

 

[NYinBostonFin]

I would normally agree. However, in effect we are already doing it for what has become our most effective play set. I'm guessing you are opposed to platooning for a reason. Would not that same reason be applicable when we take the ball out of the QB's hands to run the wildcat?

No, the wildcat is different. But if you are saying we should play Henne on some plays, why not just give him the reins (besides the WC) and see if we got our next QB.

I just look at Arizona when Leinhart was in for everything except the 2 min drill...It's not a confidence builder for a young QB putting him in on some situations, then telling him, we trust you, but we just dont trust you (fill in blank).

 

[72champagne]

Henne on 1st down, White on 2nd, Ronnie on 3rd, Noodle on 4ths. No wait! White on 1st, Henne on 2nd, Noodle on 3rd & Ronnie on 4ths. 2nd quarter you switch White & the Noodle and switch Henne & Ronnie. 3rd quarter you fake switching and the 4th quarter you do an eenie meanie miney moe, catch a qb by his toe.

 

[Never say die]

Henne on 1st down, White on 2nd, Ronnie on 3rd, Noodle on 4ths. No wait! White on 1st, Henne on 2nd, Noodle on 3rd & Ronnie on 4ths. 2nd quarter you switch White & the Noodle and switch Henne & Ronnie. 3rd quarter you fake switching and the 4th quarter you do an eenie meanie miney moe, catch a qb by his toe.

Or, how about Ronnie on first, white on second and Penny on third. Switch that around to Penny on first and RB on second and Ronnie again on third. Your point is moot as we are platooning the position already. Our strength is the running game. We will be sticking with that. Why not add the novel idea of using the players according to their strengths?

Simple (rhetorical) question number 1: In this our run first offense Who can hand off better, Penny, Henne, or White?

Question number two: If you'd like to at least carry the threat of the long ball, who scares you more?

Question #3: Who compliments the wildcat from the receiver or decoy position more:

4.: Is Penny a down field threat or is he the most accurate passer in the history of the game making his living on dinks and dunks?

5.) What downs are traditionally most conducive for deep throws?

 

[72champagne]

you platoon henne & ronnie and draft ilbs & safeties next year.

 

[Never say die]

No, the wildcat is different. But if you are saying we should play Henne on some plays, why not just give him the reins (besides the WC) and see if we got our next QB.

I just look at Arizona when Leinhart was in for everything except the 2 min drill...It's not a confidence builder for a young QB putting him in on some situations, then telling him, we trust you, but we just dont trust you (fill in blank).

I think you make a valid point on confidence building. However, if PW and Henne are both going to be in our system for a while, the chances of one out playing the other to become the single QB option to me does not present itself as a likely situation. It is more likely that we will stick with platooning via the wildcat or stretch play sets.

If that's the case I think each QB will assume the mindset that they fit a role and that as role players their confidence building derives from their making the most of their diverse opportunities. Until one's skill set evolves to the obvious point that one guy is best suited for our diverse offense, I think we platoon the QB's.

As for playing Henne exclusively, would you consider it detrimental to his confidence when we run the Wildcat and thereby "take the ball out of his hands"?

 

[Never say die]

you platoon henne & ronnie and draft ilbs & safeties next year.

I'm with you there. I wanted a ILB this year.....

 

[Spiff]

IMHO, there's two different ways to look at it - both have the same result:

1) from the QB's view, I think it's important the coaches trust him in all situations. It builds the QBs confidence to have a coach that is 100% behind him. Same with goalkeepers in soccer (I used to be one so I know what I'm talking).

2) The QB also needs the teammates' backs in order to succeed. You cannot win with a QB the rest of your team does not trust. See John Beck.

As a consequence, we need to play the QB who the coaches think will do best and who is respected by the rest of our team. And we need to play him the entire game. I think it would hurt any player to be taken out one or two plays and then come back in - but it would be worse with the QB because as I see it: quarterbacking is all about precision, timing and rhythm. You better don't mess with it.

 

[Never say die]

Or, how about Ronnie on first, white on second and Penny on third. Switch that around to Penny on first and RB on second and Ronnie again on third. Your point is moot as we are platooning the position already. Our strength is the running game. We will be sticking with that. Why not add the novel idea of using the players according to their strengths?

Simple (rhetorical) question number 1: In this our run first offense Who can hand off better, Penny, Henne, or White?

Question number two: If you'd like to at least carry the threat of the long ball, who scares you more?

Question #3: Who compliments the wildcat from the receiver or decoy position more:

4.: Is Penny a down field threat or is he the most accurate passer in the history of the game making his living on dinks and dunks?

5.) What downs are traditionally most conducive for deep throws?

6.) Are we effectively platooning the QB position already with the running of the Wildcat?

7.) Does this regime believe in getting your most talented on the field, and would they consider that the individual talents should also be deployed strategically?

8.) Why would it be detrimental to a QB's development to platoon him if we are already doing so through our use of the wildcat?

9.) Is it wrongheaded on the regimes part to emphasize the run over the pass in the first place?

Is there anyone in all of Dolfan land who is willing to take on these questions and draw their OWN conclusions from their OWN answers. I'm looking for insightful and developed reasoning. Snide comments without rationale support, please keep for another thread.