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Okay, NOW I'm psyched.

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Haters can some straight here, because I'm officially psyched for 2007 now. Trent Green is a 36 (soon to be 37) year-old QB with an average arm, who suffered a concussion last year. And I can't wait to see him play.

Say what?

Yep, I mean every word of it.

Here are things that I challenge anyone to make compelling arguments against:

1) Green reads defenses better than any QB we've had since The Man.
2) Green is a fantastic fit for Cameron's offense.
3) The hit that gave Green a concussion last year would have given anyone a concussion. It hardly means he's washed up.
4) Trent Green gives the Dolphins something they haven't really had since Bob Griese left.

I'll explain number 4.

One one of my favorite Dolphin memories isn't of Marino, or Ricky Williams, or Zonk, or the “Killer Bs.â€Â

It’s of Steve DeBerg. Yes, Steve DeBerg. I grew up worshipping Marino, and I watched him fool defensive backs for years on end. But he never did what DeBerg did on Thanksgiving, 1993. This, of course, was the “Leon Lett†game in the snow, which the Dolphins stole at the gun. Lost in that was a fair-to-middling performance by Steve DeBerg that I’ll never forget.

Steve DeBerg showed me how to run a play-action fake. He fooled the cameraman, twice. DeBerg handed the ball to the RB, and the camera followed the RB into the line. Except the RB didn't have the ball. By the time the cameraman (and Dallas) figured out what the heck was going on, DeBerg was completing a pass to Irving Fryar.

The Dolphins haven't had a QB who could sell the run well since Bob Griese. Marino was an astonishing passer, but either couldn't or didn't try to sell the run for beans. Remarkably, he was still better than David Woodley at it. Culpepper was bad at it, and Harrington was worse. Frerotte was decent, as was Fiedler, but neitber of them could read defenses the way Green can.

Green is an accurate, smart QB who can read defenses and runs the play action beautifully. Assuming we get any protection out of the O-Line, we're going to be very, very happy with him, because well-run play actions tend to keep defensive lines honest.

By the end of this season, we're going to think a 4th in 2008 for Green was a steal. Welcome to your new offense.

Oh, and that guy smiling ear-to-ear in Miami is Ronnie Brown.
 
when you add the fact that the fins have given similar draft picks for QB's like AJ Feely and Josh McCown it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside that we now have Trent.
 
I'm not pissed that we have Green, I'm pissed that we gave up too much for him.

We'll see how he does though.

Good read BTW.
 
Similiar ? they gave a second for Feely, it was worst then the 2nd for Daunte.
 
Im happy about this but i really want Culpepper to stay till training camp and get a shot at the job, competition can only help who knows maybe this lights a fire under Culpepper's butt and he returns to 2004 and if not we go with Green, all the while Beck learns from 2 differnt types of pro bowl QB's in the mean time, to me its Win-Win, Trading or cutting Culpepper hurts us what if Green is done or gets injured, is Beck or Lemon ready to take the team on their shoulders.
 
So if he sells the play action so well and then reads the defense to make a terrific pass, how come he sucked so bad with Larry Johnson getting the ball so much? I mean really, if he's getting the ball 416 times, you'd think anytime he faked it teams would automatically react to a run.

Oh, and your old friend Damon Huard played better than Trent last year, with the same offense. Face it, Green made some bad throws last season, despite most teams stacking the box, and having to worry about the PA with LJ.

Trent Green starting Game 1 in 2007 is better than John Beck starting Game 1 in 2007, however. So even though I feel Culpepper is better, if you think it's worth giving up a 5th/4th round pick to let Beck sit for 10 games behind Trent Green instead of Daunte Culpepper/Cleo Lemon, good trade.
 
So if he sells the play action so well and then reads the defense to make a terrific pass, how come he sucked so bad with Larry Johnson getting the ball so much? I mean really, if he's getting the ball 416 times, you'd think anytime he faked it teams would automatically react to a run.

Oh, and your old friend Damon Huard played better than Trent last year, with the same offense. Face it, Green made some bad throws last season, despite most teams stacking the box, and having to worry about the PA with LJ.

Trent Green starting Game 1 in 2007 is better than John Beck starting Game 1 in 2007, however. So even though I feel Culpepper is better, if you think it's worth giving up a 5th/4th round pick to let Beck sit for 10 games behind Trent Green instead of Daunte Culpepper/Cleo Lemon, good trade.


ahh, once again you have come here to stir the pot. :bighug:
 
So if he sells the play action so well and then reads the defense to make a terrific pass, how come he sucked so bad with Larry Johnson getting the ball so much? I mean really, if he's getting the ball 416 times, you'd think anytime he faked it teams would automatically react to a run.

Oh, and your old friend Damon Huard played better than Trent last year, with the same offense. Face it, Green made some bad throws last season, despite most teams stacking the box, and having to worry about the PA with LJ.

Trent Green starting Game 1 in 2007 is better than John Beck starting Game 1 in 2007, however. So even though I feel Culpepper is better, if you think it's worth giving up a 5th/4th round pick to let Beck sit for 10 games behind Trent Green instead of Daunte Culpepper/Cleo Lemon, good trade.
What a classy statement!!!:err:
 
when you add the fact that the fins have given similar draft picks for QB's like AJ Feely and Josh McCown it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside that we now have Trent.

I am worried about Green's peformance from last year and if he has enough left in him. No doubt he was awfully good for his career and he certainly can read defenses. But we need to have cautious optimism after such a drop off in production from him in '06. But you are right he looks better at 36 going on 37 on paper than Feely ever did.
 
John Clayton has an interesting take

Despite the likely cost of a fourth-round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs, the Dolphins came out winners Tuesday with their trade for Green, who will replace Daunte Culpepper as the team's offensive leader. Miami wins because Green gives the Dolphins a chance to become an offense that could score at least 20 points a game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2894631
 
John Clayton has an interesting take

Despite the likely cost of a fourth-round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs, the Dolphins came out winners Tuesday with their trade for Green, who will replace Daunte Culpepper as the team's offensive leader. Miami wins because Green gives the Dolphins a chance to become an offense that could score at least 20 points a game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2894631

Theres two sides to every coin...

Not only that, Green's skills aren't what they were a few years back. Look at the numbers. In 2006, he was limited to eight games because of a serious head injury that he suffered in the first game of the season. He returned to start the final seven games, plus the playoff loss to the Colts, and he clearly wasn't the same quarterback he was in previous seasons.

In his last seven starts, Green had one game with a passer rating over 100. In the other six, he had one that was over 70 and the rest were in the 60s and 50s.

In those seven games, he threw seven touchdown passes and nine interceptions. He was sacked 21 times in the seven games and threw for over 200 yards just once.



http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/10212583
 
Theres two sides to every coin...

Not only that, Green's skills aren't what they were a few years back. Look at the numbers. In 2006, he was limited to eight games because of a serious head injury that he suffered in the first game of the season. He returned to start the final seven games, plus the playoff loss to the Colts, and he clearly wasn't the same quarterback he was in previous seasons.

In his last seven starts, Green had one game with a passer rating over 100. In the other six, he had one that was over 70 and the rest were in the 60s and 50s.

In those seven games, he threw seven touchdown passes and nine interceptions. He was sacked 21 times in the seven games and threw for over 200 yards just once.




http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/10212583

he was coming back from a SERIOUS injury, give me a break.
 
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