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Seems to me we need tackles. When guys do not pan out at tackle they are moved inside. Looks like with Jackson, Eich, Deiter, Jones, Kindley we have guards (always can upgrade of course). If we do need tackles then do we want RT or LT?
I do not want Armstrong from the Saints. Too much injury history (we have gone that route with Parker, Fuller, Preston Williams).
If we do sign a FA guard does that mean we think we can find at least a RT with the guys we have?
 
Agreed we need tackles. I'm comfortable with some combination of Hunt + Eich + (maybe) Jackson manning LG and RG. I'm hoping for a C in the draft (either Linderbaum or Fortner). And I agree that Armstead is just too much of a risk given his injury history. No doubt he's elite, but the guy has literally never played a full NFL season and he's 31.

I'm partial to Duane Brown and Morgan Moses. Joe Noteboom is another option. As are Erick Fisher and Riley Reiff. Just solve the LT and RT problems in FA so we can focus on other needs in the draft.
 
I have the same concerns with Armstead. He's fantastic when playing, but every season he deals with injuries. How many games can we afford to have him miss if he signs? It's much like the Parker dilemma. Rather a "good" Tackle that's more likely to play all season.
Sure injuries are an unknown, but some guys just seem to be consistent in getting injured.
Also, the whole do we need an elite RT since Tua is a lefty or do we go after LT type talent and put them at RT or keep them at LT anyway? Lots to consider with what Tackles to look at.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Ideally, Miami can sign two starting caliber offensive tackles in free agency.

I'm also not giving up hope that some of the young players can develop with better coaching. Although, as of now, it looks like Hunt is the only keeper on the offensive line.
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This is my hope, too. I think Hunt is a solid RG. I have to think Eich is salvageable if we slot him into LG, where he's a more natural fit. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jackson has a skillset that could potentially work in a ZBS. My instinct is to cut Jackson because he's been so terrible, but hopefully he can be salvaged, too, even if just as a backup.
 
The problem is OT's are hard to come by in free agency. The better ones don't hit free agency unless they're older or have injuries. The Saints guy is good but how much would it cost and how many games will he miss?.....we've dealt with enough injured players already as it is.....I still think that moving Hunt to RT should be an option as finding guards is way easier.
 
BONG SHULA said:
This is my hope, too. I think Hunt is a solid RG. I have to think Eich is salvageable if we slot him into LG, where he's a more natural fit. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jackson has a skillset that could potentially work in a ZBS. My instinct is to cut Jackson because he's been so terrible, but hopefully he can be salvaged, too, even if just as a backup.
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I look at Tomlinson, who wasn't performing in Detroit. Came to SF and he became a good player. Maybe the same thing can happen with Jackson, Eichenberg or both?
 
To maximize our money and draft picks and doing our best effort to try solve the OL issue, I would put Hunt at RT. When he played there he got an average result, which is not bad at all. Then I would look at Duane Brown at LT so he can help develop Jackson/Eichenberg/Coleman/Little or whomever can do at least a decent job. Then I would look at Tomlinson at RG and then between Kindley/Dieter/Mancz/Jackson&Eichenberg we should find the best two to start at C and LG.

I think we can do solid with Brown, Kindley, Dieter, Tomlinson and Hunt, or something similar. On draft day I would only spend a draft pick if the player falls to us. We have many holes to cover at LB, DE, WR and RB.
I really think losing Ogbah will be very hard and expensive to recover.
 
Dallas needs to replace Cooper so make a trade with them for DVP and get one of their tackles who they can’t afford. Helps their cap situation, fills their WR hole, and gives us positions of need plus a pick.
 
BONG SHULA said:
Agreed we need tackles. I'm comfortable with some combination of Hunt + Eich + (maybe) Jackson manning LG and RG. I'm hoping for a C in the draft (either Linderbaum or Fortner). And I agree that Armstead is just too much of a risk given his injury history. No doubt he's elite, but the guy has literally never played a full NFL season and he's 31.

I'm partial to Duane Brown and Morgan Moses. Joe Noteboom is another option. As are Erick Fisher and Riley Reiff. Just solve the LT and RT problems in FA so we can focus on other needs in the draft.
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Good call

There is also Aboushi & Schofield who were with LAC last season like Smith (Miami's new OC)
 
Look at Trent Williams' games missed to injury before he held out for a year+, and then got traded to SF and rewarded with top LT money. It looks a lot like Armstead's. I'll go out on a limb and say we'd be plenty happy to have Trent Williams at top dollar right now.
I get bummed out by the injuries too, but a lot of people here seem to think more games missed before = more games missed later, and less games missed before = less games missed later. The reality is that they play a high speed collision sport with ultra finely tuned, oversized athletes. As a result, everyone on the field outside of the kicker is injury prone. Some guys to this point have simply had worse luck or better luck than others. It's IMO illogical to assume that will continue on their next team.
 
dallas just trying to dump his salary so I wouldn’t offer much as far as picks.......4th or lower.......suspension last year plus injuries so don’t do anything stupid here
 
FinInYpsi said:
Look at Trent Williams' games missed to injury before he held out for a year+, and then got traded to SF and rewarded with top LT money. It looks a lot like Armstead's. I'll go out on a limb and say we'd be plenty happy to have Trent Williams at top dollar right now.
I get bummed out by the injuries too, but a lot of people here seem to think more games missed before = more games missed later, and less games missed before = less games missed later. The reality is that they play a high speed collision sport with ultra finely tuned, oversized athletes. As a result, everyone on the field outside of the kicker is injury prone. Some guys to this point have simply had worse luck or better luck than others. It's IMO illogical to assume that will continue on their next team.
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I'm not saying not to take a chance but issues now two years in a row we should be on a "buyers market" on this deal
 
FinInYpsi said:
Look at Trent Williams' games missed to injury before he held out for a year+, and then got traded to SF and rewarded with top LT money. It looks a lot like Armstead's. I'll go out on a limb and say we'd be plenty happy to have Trent Williams at top dollar right now.
I get bummed out by the injuries too, but a lot of people here seem to think more games missed before = more games missed later, and less games missed before = less games missed later. The reality is that they play a high speed collision sport with ultra finely tuned, oversized athletes. As a result, everyone on the field outside of the kicker is injury prone. Some guys to this point have simply had worse luck or better luck than others. It's IMO illogical to assume that will continue on their next team.
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I do not know the correct answer and I agree luck of the draw enters in. I am still worried about an injury history player moving into the last years of his career
 
Danny said:
I'm not saying not to take a chance but issues now two years in a row we should be on a "buyers market" on this deal
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Totally get that. It's not every offseason a LT of Armstead's caliber hits the market though. And it lines up with the offseason of Miami having cap space and that being probably the biggest need on the team? I think it's worth the risk. He's not Trent WIlliams' level, but he's a top 10 tackle (and unlike WIlliams, doesn't cost a 1st + a huge a contract to acquire, just the latter).
Jssanto said:
I do not know the correct answer and I agree luck of the draw enters in. I am still worried about an injury history player moving into the last years of his career
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I would say 31 is still solidly in the prime range for an OT, but depends on how many major injuries they have had. Multiple big knee/achilles/hip injuries may or may not lead to more injuries down the line, but they for sure seem to age guys faster. Armsteads worst injury is a knee strain last year that he tried to play through for 1-2months before getting shut down, and having surgery. Nothing compared to the major injuries guys like Eric Fischer or Jack Conklin (or Pouncey/Albert) have sustained have sustained.
 
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