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Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.
 
Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.

Ok I will.

Well people were moved on O line and one or two replaced. And I bellieve it does start with your O lineman as far as blocking and giving Qb time. Of course it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Another thing was Culpepper was slow and too indecisive. That was another thing. Once Joey got in there he got rid of the ball faster linemen don't have to hold their blocks as long. And as far as running. Since we were getting rid of the ball faster when we were passing. Teams probably did not rush in as fast. So they were not as sure what we were going to do. So if we handed off to a back. Run blocking as I understand it is easier for lineman to do. Because they do not have to hold blocks quite so long or the same.

And as far as drafting in first round I think we need to get a Qb rather than a wide receiver.

And as far as that goes our line may still be mediocre. You can always improve .
 
Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.

Dude, when you drink, you get really angry. Not so many beers next time you post. If you think our O line is solid, it is because we have the highest paid and best O'line coach in the league. He is making due on our O line with SQUAT. Have you seen how much time ANY QB behind our line, has had to throw? This line might block OK every other game or 2 for the run, but what about our pass blocking?
You yell at people to "back it up", yet say "most of you scream abt Chambers yet would draft an O lineman", without any support of your own. Who's said that? No one has said "draft a specific position at ALL costs in the 1st round!!!"...
But if you don't think O line should be a priority in the offseason, whether free agency or the draft, then you're the mindless football lemming, my friend.
Oh no, let's simply not even LOOK at O line in the draft or FA, our line is GREAT! Come on dude, get real... :shakeno:
 
A lot of the sacks on DC were due to his own limitations. He just wasn't ready yet. After JH took over the playcalling was a lot of quick drop short passes. I went through the TiVO'd games and that's what I saw. OL had some untimely penalties in the first 5 or 6 games. They came along pretty good as the season went on. D Mac did get owned several times from what I saw. All in all it did get better though.
 
A lot of the sacks on DC were due to his own limitations. He just wasn't ready yet. After JH took over the playcalling was a lot of quick drop short passes. I went through the TiVO'd games and that's what I saw. OL had some untimely penalties in the first 5 or 6 games. They came along pretty good as the season went on. D Mac did get owned several times from what I saw. All in all it did get better though.


Culepepper was getting killed when he got the ball and the line has got much better thru out the year, But it was horrible when DC was in there
 
Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.

It all starts up front :evil: . This group has been bad all year long. They were terrible in preseason and everyone said, oh, just give them time. They started out the first four games getting Culpepper killed. They couldn't pass protect to save their own lives. The switch to Harrington helped in that Joey gets rid of the ball so fast. The downside is that the coaches have also gone to max protection schemes and that doesn't let plays develop. The coaches have taken McMichael (one of our most potent weapons) out of the game to be a blocker, and the quick passing doesn't allow Chambers to finish his routes and his is now primarily a decoy. Thus, two of our best offensive weapons have been underutilized and almost forgotten because of the offense the coaches have had to run to adapt to the poor blocking. The running game has also suffered as a result. Teams know that the Dolphins want to get Ronnie going cause they have little else. Well guess what, since the passing game is no threat they've been stacking the LOS to take Ronnie out of the game. Not to mention that the line gets no push against the better defensive lines. Remember the Minnesota game? Yeah, no push. Yes, the OL has managed to put together a few decent running games, but mostly due to a combination of weak run stopping defenses and a really good running back named Ronnie Brown. Football is won and lost in the trenches. Until the Dolphins invest some picks, money and effort into the OL then our star players will be relegated to blockers and decoys. The OL must be the first priority. If you don't understand that, I don't know how to help you understand it.
 
Thank you for someone who realizes, they played poorly for Daunte at the beginning of the season, just like last year. They then developed chemistry and worked very well together just like last season, Saban then revamped the entire line. If he keeps this group of guys we should start off much stronger this season.
 
Thank you for someone who realizes, they played poorly for Daunte at the beginning of the season, just like last year. They then developed chemistry and worked very well together just like last season, Saban then revamped the entire line. If he keeps this group of guys we should start off much stronger this season.

Are you referring to how much chemistry our O line had in its 10 point outing against the Jets, or our zero pts against Buffalo? :goof:
5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles just MIGHT have had something to do with us scoring 2 TD's against the Patriots!
Come on guys, the ONLY time we've won a game (other than Detroit) is when our defense took over.
Our O line sucked game 1, and it's shortfalls are just now "better hidden" with our short patterns, schemes, and RB's and McMichael blocking instead of receiving... we seriously need O line help.
 
Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.


First off, you can use a few lessons in public discourse. But that's OK; it doesn't take a classical rhetorician to hang out on an Internet board, and you're obviously, despite your limitations in written English ("paraquat" is an herbicide, FYI), trying to do the "shock jock" thing. So, to the merits:

Perhaps you've noticed through your hubris that this team is scoring an average of 15 points a game, despite the alleged 6.5 yards a carry. Yet another case of lies,damned lies and statistics. This dismal performance is the result of not being able to mount any sustained drives. Something always seems to go wrong, and the drive bogs down. This, in turn, is the result of inconsistent line play, which manifests itself as follows:

1. The "wall" effect, meaning when the running back slams into a pile of his own blockers, who have been unable to get any "push" on the defense in order to give the RB any room in which to make his moves.

2. The "turnstile" effect, which results in a QB sack or the RB being met by a defender in the backfield immediately after the handoff. This occurs as a result of someone going unblocked, or an OLineman being unable to hold a block for sufficient time.

3. The "hurry" effect, when the QB cannot wait for a route to develop downfield, because he is about to have his head taken off. He therefore throws inaccurately or ill-advisedly, resulting in an incompletion or a pick. It also takes the long ball out of the game. I don't know where you're getting the "ample time" thing; I've seen Joey hurry many, many throws. Maybe you haven't been watching the same games that the rest of us have been watching. You know, the ones with lots of three and outs.

4. The penalty. You know about those false starts and holds. They often happen because the Olineman can't handle the defender legally, so he gets caught holding, or he's overwhelmed, so he makes a mental mistake.

5. The need to keep backs and tight ends in as blockers to help the OLine do its job, which reduces the number of available targets in the short passing game.

6. Inability to complete secondary blocking assignments downfield, caused by lack of athleticism and resulting in shorter runs.

If you have not seen this pattern in this year's Dolphins offense, I question either your eyesight, or your perception, or your ability to reason inductively from an effect back to its cause.

If you have watched teams such as the Miami Dolphins in the early seventies, I'm sure you have observed that the offense seemed to be able to do whatever it wanted, regardless of whether or not the opposing defense knew what was coming. The Dolphin sweep was an excellent example of this. It was made possible by perfect execution on the part of an athletic offensive line.

Yes, some games have been good. But more have been bad. And as much as I hate to agree with LeBatard, players aren't good because they're consistent. They're consistent because they're good. We have inconsistent line play. Therefore, our linemen are not good. QED.

I do not have at my fingertips a list of offensive line prospects to suggest to you; I'm too busy at my day job. Perhaps you, in your omniscience, would favor us with your list of what personnel is available to correct symptoms (1) through (6) above, which no reasonable student of the game would deny are bedeviling our offense.

This, my young friend, is what it feels like to have someone talk down to you. Use the experience to your benefit; you'll make more friends, on and off this board, and be much more persuasive. In the words of Circuit Judge Gisela Cardonne, you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

I rest.
 
Could somebody explain RB's 6.5 per carry and the ample time our QB's have had to throw since DC went down and tell me exactly why OL should be a priority for this draft?

Make your case now juniors or shut your pieholes.

I'm tired of your platitudes and cliches that "It all starts with the OL" or "Our line is mediocre or sucks"

Back it up with evidence because I don't think you little paraquats have any to support your cases.

Who needs to be replaced and if you say our LT give me a name of a guy we have a shot of getting who is going to be better right away than DMac or Alabi.

Most of you have screamed your Mary heads off about Chambers yet would rather draft an OL in the first round even if the lineman has a lower grade than the WR. Quite a contradiction but I'm sure you have strong reasons for not wanting to upgrade the skill position players we use.

"Our Line Sucks" now refers to the garbage you lemmings call your football knowledge.


"It all starts with the O-line" is not a cliche' --- its what determines whether you're a good team or not.

If you say Oline is not a priority --- well ---I just don't know what to say.
How about replacing DMac with a solid rookie -- it does happen you know.
Look no further than Rookie of the year candidate Marcus McNeill...a second round pick.

And if you think DMac is any good --- well I still don't know what to say...

FIX THE LINE, but then again, that's just my humble opinion.
:evil:
 
6.5 stat per carry well, they're stats.

Did you know the raiders have the #3 ranked defense overall --- but yet is ...look at their rush defense stats and sacks.....
 
First off, you can use a few lessons in public discourse. But that's OK; it doesn't take a classical rhetorician to hang out on an Internet board, and you're obviously, despite your limitations in written English ("paraquat" is an herbicide, FYI), trying to do the "shock jock" thing. So, to the merits:

Perhaps you've noticed through your hubris that this team is scoring an average of 15 points a game, despite the alleged 6.5 yards a carry. Yet another case of lies,damned lies and statistics. This dismal performance is the result of not being able to mount any sustained drives. Something always seems to go wrong, and the drive bogs down. This, in turn, is the result of inconsistent line play, which manifests itself as follows:

1. The "wall" effect, meaning when the running back slams into a pile of his own blockers, who have been unable to get any "push" on the defense in order to give the RB any room in which to make his moves.

2. The "turnstile" effect, which results in a QB sack or the RB being met by a defender in the backfield immediately after the handoff. This occurs as a result of someone going unblocked, or an OLineman being unable to hold a block for sufficient time.

3. The "hurry" effect, when the QB cannot wait for a route to develop downfield, because he is about to have his head taken off. He therefore throws inaccurately or ill-advisedly, resulting in an incompletion or a pick. It also takes the long ball out of the game. I don't know where you're getting the "ample time" thing; I've seen Joey hurry many, many throws. Maybe you haven't been watching the same games that the rest of us have been watching. You know, the ones with lots of three and outs.

4. The penalty. You know about those false starts and holds. They often happen because the Olineman can't handle the defender legally, so he gets caught holding, or he's overwhelmed, so he makes a mental mistake.

5. The need to keep backs and tight ends in as blockers to help the OLine do its job, which reduces the number of available targets in the short passing game.

6. Inability to complete secondary blocking assignments downfield, caused by lack of athleticism and resulting in shorter runs.

If you have not seen this pattern in this year's Dolphins offense, I question either your eyesight, or your perception, or your ability to reason inductively from an effect back to its cause.

If you have watched teams such as the Miami Dolphins in the early seventies, I'm sure you have observed that the offense seemed to be able to do whatever it wanted, regardless of whether or not the opposing defense knew what was coming. The Dolphin sweep was an excellent example of this. It was made possible by perfect execution on the part of an athletic offensive line.

Yes, some games have been good. But more have been bad. And as much as I hate to agree with LeBatard, players aren't good because they're consistent. They're consistent because they're good. We have inconsistent line play. Therefore, our linemen are not good. QED.

I do not have at my fingertips a list of offensive line prospects to suggest to you; I'm too busy at my day job. Perhaps you, in your omniscience, would favor us with your list of what personnel is available to correct sypmtoms (1) through (6) above, which no reasonable student of the game would deny are bedeviling our offense.

This, my young friend, is what it feels like to have someone talk down to you. Use the experience to your benefit; you'll make more friends, on and off this board, and be much more persuasive. In the words of Circuit Judge Gisela Cardonne, you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

I rest.


:sidelol: :clap: Outstanding post.
 
Yeah, one reason chambers has had such a down year is the fact that it takes a while for the longer routes (his) to develope. Joey had moderate success (in the middle of the season) because he released the ball so quickly and couldn't stand in the pocket. Some of that was joey happy feet but a lot was that he saw daunte get killed early in the year and realized the line couldn't hold their blocks long enough for our deep threat to get open.

Also ronnie hasn't had much to run through this year, save for a couple of games. OL is an area of need, like many others.
 
Yeah, one reason chambers has had such a down year is the fact that it takes a while for the longer routes (his) to develope. Joey had moderate success (in the middle of the season) because he released the ball so quickly and couldn't stand in the pocket. Some of that was joey happy feet but a lot was that he saw daunte get killed early in the year and realized the line couldn't hold their blocks long enough for our deep threat to get open.

Also ronnie hasn't had much to run through this year, save for a couple of games. OL is an area of need, like many others.

You know, the funny thing is, they HAVE improved. That means there's a hell of a coach working with them. Imagine what will happen if we get one or two legitimate studs into the OL.
 
You know, the funny thing is, they HAVE improved. That means there's a hell of a coach working with them. Imagine what will happen if we get one or two legitimate studs into the OL.

Agreed, a couple of studs could make our line, dare I say it, DOMINATING.
 
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