Omar doesnt understand why cunningham & matthews were drafted so late

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Why are people attacking Omar on this statement? He raises a valid point. Both of these guys are solid prospects based on the skill-set they displaye din college and both did it on a fairly big stage. Is speed really that big a reason for them to drop that far?

I'm not attacking Omar, but in answer to your second question: yes.

 

[NYPhin24]

yeah take a look at cunningham's combine performance, it's pretty awful.

2011

MSU

79rec

1306yards

16.5avg

69long

12td

I would take production like the above into a consideration a little bit more than how fast a player runs on turf in a straight line in a dome untouched in shorts and a tshirt

 

[eleven11]

We're completely changing our offence (thank God) and these guys will fit right in.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

Two things every draft season cause players "to drop" and others "to be taken before they are supposed to".

1st) If you watch enough draft shows and listen to enough draft "expects", you will notice if you count them that there are always AT LEAST 35-40 or so "1st round players" or "players that should go in the 1st round". And there are AT LEAST 70-80 that "should go in the first two rounds".

The math here NEVER adds up but no one seems to care. There are a number of reasons for this but I'm working outside and it is too hot to list them all.

2nd) One reason that I love the draft is that it is crazy. The various team's coaches and GMs do not 100% follow the charts of these "experts" , they have their own players that they want. Plus, some positions rise above their "draft rating".

These two factors are what has players "drop" and "rise".

For instance, I've hear Lamar Miller was a 2nd or even 1st round "talent". The truth is simply that he was not or he would have been taken earlier. The same thing goes for the WRs we drafted.

 

[FINdestructible]

But both ran faster 40's than Jerry Rice. And Tedd Ginn had blazing speed. Go figure.

 

[ITS!MATEO]

Because if you don't run a pretty 40 time then you can't play football....

 

[Hayden Fox]

I will take that all the teams in the NFL think they are average including the Fins as they went near the end of the draft. Omar is brutal. Receiver is still an issue with this team.

 

[Geforce]

I think B.J. Cunningham's stock began to fall after his subpar performance the week of the East-West Shine game.

This is from NFLDraftScout.com
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69501&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR

01/21/12 - EAST-WEST SHRINE MONDAY: On the downside, Michigan State's BJ Cunningham seemed to have more drops than receptions Monday. He doesn't have the natural burst or quickness to create much separation from defensive backs so a player with his average athleticism needs to be able to make consistent catches in traffic, something he struggled with. Cunningham has the smallest hands (8'1/4") among the East receivers and needs to do a better job this week securing the catch and proving he can be a dependable receiver. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

 

[allsilverdreams]

Cunningham will make the team, mark my words. He's an incredible talent who just happens to be slow. I'm a huge fan.

he reminds me of bess

 

[next-year]

2011

MSU

79rec

1306yards

16.5avg

69long

12td

I would take production like the above into a consideration a little bit more than how fast a player runs on turf in a straight line in a dome untouched in shorts and a tshirt

I was just answering the OP question, i dont disagree with you. But if you want some statistics back

• 40-Yard Dash
  
  • 
    [*=right]4.59
  • Worst: 4.74Best WR: Chris Owusu 4.36
  
  
• 3-Cone Drill
  
  • 
    [*=right]7.10
  • Worst: 7.19Best WR: Junior Hemingway 6.59

• Bench Press
  
  • 
    [*=right]12.0
  • Worst: 8.0Best WR: Marvin Jones 22.0
  
  
• Vertical Jump
  
  • 
    [*=right]31.5
  • Worst: 30.0Best WR: Kashiif Moore 43.5
  
  
• Broad Jump
  
  • 
    [*=right]116.0
  • Worst: 109.0Best WR: Stephen Hill 133.0
  
  
  
  

 

[06HEMI]

lets try and temper our expectations.Time will tell

 

[ticophin]

How has the Derius Heyward-Bay experiment gone in Oakland, with the 6th or 7th overall? System, QB (therefore O-line) and coaching also have a lot to do with the fact that a player succeeds in a team, or not...Maybe, just maybe, these are players that suit our system, that were available on our board when we picked them...

 

[mktimber]

Not sure about the obsession with our not drafting a WR -- by all accounts this was a weak draft and we have many needs so reaching on a WR would not have been a good idea. After Blackmon, Floyd and Hill there was a definite huge drop off -- and IMO these guys were over drafted because they were WR

 

[fin4u]

I think it can be summed up in one sentence. You can't coach speed, but there is a chance that you can teach technique. This is one of the reasons why the Tedd Ginn's of the world are drafted higher. Rarely will you find someone whose understanding of the game (i.e. Jerry Rice) can make up for their physical limitations.

 

[ITS!MATEO]

Not sure about the obsession with our not drafting a WR -- by all accounts this was a weak draft and we have many needs so reaching on a WR would not have been a good idea. After Blackmon, Floyd and Hill there was a definite huge drop off -- and IMO these guys were over drafted because they were WR

On the contrary, this draft was extremely deep in Wideouts and was the MAIN reason these guys dropped so far. Any other year and these guys are 2nd-5th round picks.

We took the guys we thought fit our system the best and got great value in the rounds that we got them. I see it as a win for us.