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For all the great things I heard about Herbert last year. He did not outplay Tua head to head. Think he had more yards but they were trailing in the game.

Also, I watched all ten of Xavien's INT's last year and maybe three were QB crap throws. a couple borderline and some awesome skilled ones as is broken down here.

Here is hoping we find a way to keep Howard.
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BC Phins4Life said:
For all the great things I heard about Herbert last year. He did not outplay Tua head to head. Think he had more yards but they were trailing in the game.

Also, I watched all ten of Xavien's INT's last year and maybe three were QB crap throws. a couple borderline and some awesome skilled ones as is broken down here.

Here is hoping we find a way to keep Howard.
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Didnt you read the other thread? Most of x ‘s were just easy plays. Trade him. We don’t need an all pro player. More draft picks. I want another Jackson in the first round.
 
joenhre said:
Why take a needless shot at Jackson? By the way how great did X look as a rookie?
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Because this team continues to somehow have all these picks and we still lack top end talent. So far we have two. X and our field goal kicker. Jackson wasn’t good last year. He needs to get better. We traded mikah for Jackson. It’s a loss so far no matter how many people spin it. We can’t let x go. The threads about x needs to go and is crying are ridiculous.
He wants to be paid for how well he played. Nobody had a problem when the team asks players to restructure or cut them after one year when their play wasn’t good enough. Like flowers or van noy. So x should be given some more guaranteed money and keep our best player. And our only all pro besides our kicker. He is must keep.
 
bane said:
Didnt you read the other thread? Most of x ‘s were just easy plays. Trade him. We don’t need an all pro player. More draft picks. I want another Jackson in the first round.
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What if we pay him and he gets hurt?
bane said:
Because this team continues to somehow have all these picks and we still lack top end talent. So far we have two. X and our field goal kicker. Jackson wasn’t good last year. He needs to get better. We traded mikah for Jackson. It’s a loss so far no matter how many people spin it. We can’t let x go. The threads about x needs to go and is crying are ridiculous.
He wants to be paid for how well he played. Nobody had a problem when the team asks players to restructure or cut them after one year when their play wasn’t good enough. Like flowers or van noy. So x should be given some more guaranteed money and keep our best player. And our only all pro besides our kicker. He is must keep.
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This defense might take a serious dive without him.
 
bane said:
Because this team continues to somehow have all these picks and we still lack top end talent. So far we have two. X and our field goal kicker. Jackson wasn’t good last year. He needs to get better. We traded mikah for Jackson. It’s a loss so far no matter how many people spin it. We can’t let x go. The threads about x needs to go and is crying are ridiculous.
He wants to be paid for how well he played. Nobody had a problem when the team asks players to restructure or cut them after one year when their play wasn’t good enough. Like flowers or van noy. So x should be given some more guaranteed money and keep our best player. And our only all pro besides our kicker. He is must keep.
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Wanting to keep X has nothing to do with allowing young players to develop. Comparing a player in his 3rd season to a rookie is kind of being disingenuous. How well did Minkah play as a rookie? I remember a few people calling him a bust because there were plenty of times when he looked lost on the field in '18. Maybe we should wait until Jackson plays in his second season before declaring the trade a loss. If Jackson comes in stronger and locks down the LT position and Minkah's hype does not match his level of play on the field then that trade would start looking like a huge win for the Dolphins.

X was paid handsomely two years ago during a season when missed most of the games. Now he is unhappy because he had a good season and other players are getting paid more now. I would love for the team to keep him but it is concerning that it appears he cares more about saying he is the highest paid at his position than helping the team win. I understand that this is a job to him and he wants to get as much money as possible. However the reality is he has already made a ton of money despite only having two good seasons and missing a lot of games. Trying to hurt the team, the way he appears to be doing now, when they are heading into a season where they hope to compete for the playoffs is irritating.
 
superphin said:
Gonna miss those kinda plays but Micah Parson plus that 1st rounder which should be the 1st overall pick will soften the blow.
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That would be a great trade but I highly doubt the Cowboys would do it. Of course it would weaken the Dolphins' secondary but would strengthen the LB corps and add another valuable pick. Would love to see Grier get that type of value in return if they can't reconcile the situation with X.
 
bane said:
Because this team continues to somehow have all these picks and we still lack top end talent. So far we have two. X and our field goal kicker. Jackson wasn’t good last year. He needs to get better. We traded mikah for Jackson. It’s a loss so far no matter how many people spin it. We can’t let x go. The threads about x needs to go and is crying are ridiculous.
He wants to be paid for how well he played. Nobody had a problem when the team asks players to restructure or cut them after one year when their play wasn’t good enough. Like flowers or van noy. So x should be given some more guaranteed money and keep our best player. And our only all pro besides our kicker. He is must keep.
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Bear in mind that he was coming back from a bone marrow transplant with his sister, and missed half of the previous college season. His strength wasnt what it should have been.

So far as X is concerned with his money, he got a pay rise the year before. Yes he was the best CB in the league last year, but hey, at least play more than one season into your new contract before having a hissy fit and wanting more money.
 
BC Phins4Life said:
For all the great things I heard about Herbert last year. He did not outplay Tua head to head. Think he had more yards but they were trailing in the game.

Also, I watched all ten of Xavien's INT's last year and maybe three were QB crap throws. a couple borderline and some awesome skilled ones as is broken down here.

Here is hoping we find a way to keep Howard.
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So your going to use the team to justify Tua over Herbert? 😉
 
bane said:
Didnt you read the other thread? Most of x ‘s were just easy plays. Trade him. We don’t need an all pro player. More draft picks. I want another Jackson in the first round.
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These guys and their moronic rationale. It’s so tiring. Didn’t they get enough after we traded Minkah to a 1-3 Pitt team or whatever and then he was a HUGE part of their turnaround w 10 takeaways and 3 scores? We are soooo much better off w the T we drafted. If X is traded, there is a 99.99% chance we never replace his value no matter how many picks we get. You don’t keep rolling your best guys for picks until (a) you’ve established a winning system that is somewhat plug any play - it’s been done many times w great coaches like Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Harbaugh, BB, Denver in the 90’s - who coached them? , Levy, etc. We don’t have that yet. (b) once you have it you can move people - see how NE always moves or doesn’t resign their top CB but immediately goes out and signs a replacement because that D needs one in order to work?
 
joenhre said:
Why take a needless shot at Jackson? By the way how great did X look as a rookie?
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X was out best corner as a rookie.

Did battle through injury to start though.
 
joenhre said:
Wanting to keep X has nothing to do with allowing young players to develop. Comparing a player in his 3rd season to a rookie is kind of being disingenuous. How well did Minkah play as a rookie? I remember a few people calling him a bust because there were plenty of times when he looked lost on the field in '18. Maybe we should wait until Jackson plays in his second season before declaring the trade a loss. If Jackson comes in stronger and locks down the LT position and Minkah's hype does not match his level of play on the field then that trade would start looking like a huge win for the Dolphins.

X was paid handsomely two years ago during a season when missed most of the games. Now he is unhappy because he had a good season and other players are getting paid more now. I would love for the team to keep him but it is concerning that it appears he cares more about saying he is the highest paid at his position than helping the team win. I understand that this is a job to him and he wants to get as much money as possible. However the reality is he has already made a ton of money despite only having two good seasons and missing a lot of games. Trying to hurt the team, the way he appears to be doing now, when they are heading into a season where they hope to compete for the playoffs is irritating.
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I think the fact that we signed a worse corner to a higher paying deal ourselves is the reason for the holdout. Not so much being the highest paid in the league, its going to offend any employee if their job hires someone less impactful at a higher wage.

It just so happens that X makes enough to hold out while most of us are forced to swallow it and keep working.
 
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