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Im from western pa and so is Frerrote but the bottom line is AJ was impressive Frerrote was not. It see saws back and forth. I think AJ starts and the coaches evaluate this performance along with the rest in the preseason to form a starter for qb oh and oline and then they start them in final preseason game and on to the regular season. Bottom line is right now there is no way either qb has earned the job. So since Frerrote started last week against the Steel City and all the pain they bring opposing qbs we have to start Feeley
 
I think in the end everyone know Frerotte will be the starter why do we want to keep him away from playing with the first team he needs all the reps he can get IMO
 
Personally I am not too enamoured with either of them right now. I just hope things come together in time for start of season. Otherwise we should start thinking what Qb we will be taking next year with that #1 pick. And personally i think we probably will be selecting a Qb in next year draft anyways.
 
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.
 
Schleprock said:
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.
I saw it first today too. I think Gus' #'s were a little misleading as well. It seemed like our receivers were off that night.
 
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Schleprock said:
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.

Gus did have some drops...but he had some horrible throws also. The first fumble was his fault as the Steelers had an all out Blitz coming and he didnt recognize it. How he didnt see it is beyond me. Look...AJ supporters have been saying all along that AJ's numbers werent that bad...and all we heard from the Guskateers is to the contrary. Funny how you use the same excuses to defend Gus's performance.
 
Your comments are right on the money. What about Rothlisberger? He went 5 for 11 for 36 yards and 1 pick. Do you think Feeley deserves to start onver Big Ben? As far as Saban's remark that the #2 quarterback has played better in the 3 exhibition ganes, that's not true. Frerotte started the Jags game and Feeley came in 2nd and was ineffective. (Berlin and Rosenfels actually played better in that game)
 
Heres my prediction for what happens...

IF Gus starts Saturday, and plays well, he is going to start week 1.
IF Gus starts Saturday, and plays poorly, and so does A.J., Gus starts week 1.
IF Gus starts Saturday, and plays poorly, and A.J. does well, A.J. starts week 1.

IF A.J. starts Saturday, and plays well, he starts week 1.
IF A.J. starts Saturday, and plays poorly, Gus starts week 1.
 
Schleprock said:
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.


The Pass to CC was underthrown, it may have been intentional, but CC didnt know that, as CC said it was a matter of he and Gus not on teh same page. That should come but it isnt a drop. The deep ball to Booker ws batted away by teh db, not a drop. The 1 "drop" by McMike was a ball clearly behind him, he had to turn 180 degrees on a dime. Yes could have been caught but it is a tough catch. Not a drop.

Yeah throwing at Ricky's feet was smart, but I find it funny that a Gus supporter uses that for Gus when numerous Gus supporters bashed AJ supporters for saying the same thing for AJ in teh Chicago game.

Fact is this, there were times during teh Pitt game where teh receivers could have given Frerrotte help by making the tough catch and yes maybe they should have. However, It doesnt change the fact that those passes were off the intended mark. They were not accurate throws all but two required a sign adjustment by teh receiver to have a chance to catch teh ball.

This inaacuracy of Gus is not just a one game phenomenon, it has plagued him his whole career. So you can spin it all you want. It also doesnt say he is not the best qb to start of teh 4 on the roster, it just is what it is, Gus is not going to wow you with his accuracy.

As far as AJ's "short" passes. I find it very amusing that many criticize him now for doing what everyone criticized him for not doing last year, that is checking off to his second or third or safety valve receivers. at a minimum, 4 of his short passes were teh result of pressure from a blitz where he hit the open guy rather than take a sack. 4 were designed plays, they were one step and throw to teh receiver at the line, so at a minimum that accounts for half his completions. Now at least passes were the 9 to 14 yd passes, that is 11 to 12 of teh 16. So maybe at best he had 4 passes where he went short and could have gone deep but didnt.

I suggest if you want people to objectively watch, you do the same.
 
Schleprock said:
I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.


DING DING DING! Everyone instead of watching the game, freaks out over stats. Frerotte played jusy fine, it was drops, and lousy protection that made his stats look like they did.

These boards are filled with people who either haven't seen the game, or if they have they don't understand it.

Frerotte is not that great of a QB, but he is better at this point in his career that Feeley.
 
RonnieExpress said:
DING DING DING! Everyone instead of watching the game, freaks out over stats. Frerotte played jusy fine, it was drops, and lousy protection that made his stats look like they did.

These boards are filled with people who either haven't seen the game, or if they have they don't understand it.

Frerotte is not that great of a QB, but he is better at this point in his career that Feeley.


And that would be you based on this post. I watched teh game twice and as I said in my last post, the receivers could have helped Gus out more than they did. But those so-called drops that every Gusketeer is whining about were not right on the money accurate passes that were dropped because a lack of concentration. They were incomplete passes as a result of receivers not being able to make enough of an adjustment quick enough to make teh cacth, and 1 was a clearly evident batted ball by teh defender. The db outjumped Booker, sucks but doesnt mean Book was at fault, there are dbs that have a higher vertical jump than the receiver and if the receiver and Db have to wait on teh ball, the db can use that to bat the ball away.
 
Schleprock said:
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.

That's an excellent post. When I logged onto Finheaven after the game I thought Gus had outplayed Feeley. I was literally stunned by the threads here. Frerotte attacked downfield and was within inches of decisive plays several times. Feeley was going through his typical reportoire of 2 and 3 yard masochistic dumpoffs. It's like a golfer who tees off with a 6 iron because he's shellshocked and afraid the heavy artillery will wind up OB or worse. Just like a 6 iron won't do any damage even if you nail it down the middle every time, Feeley's passes are meaningless even if he completes every single one of them. Unfortunately, that is not an exaggeration. Gus was a bit more off target than you imply, but he always gives us a downfield mentality and that's imperative as you build a new offense.
 
RonnieExpress said:
DING DING DING! Everyone instead of watching the game, freaks out over stats. Frerotte played jusy fine, it was drops, and lousy protection that made his stats look like they did.

These boards are filled with people who either haven't seen the game, or if they have they don't understand it.

Frerotte is not that great of a QB, but he is better at this point in his career that Feeley.
agreed, It is amazing that two groups of fans of the same team can see such different things in the same games. If you eliminate all the stats I think Gus is more of a natural leader and Feeley makes me really nervous when he is behind center.
 
I dont believe that AJ would start, this Saturday or at week1. Frerotte was brought in to be the starter, not the back up. The reasoning behind all this is that Frerotte knows the System, also his pretty comfortable under Linehan wings. My take is that Gus needs to show that his really familiar with the system and start to play better, or we need to get another QB, because Feeley for some reason was never part of this offense.
 
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