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I think we all can agree that Zach Thomas is amazing and that Channing Crowder is up and coming. But that other OLB spot has strugled. Spragan gave the Fins some stability but he was not the answer. Last week I thought the only answer would be the draft cause there was nothing in FA. But now there is Joey Porter, A. Thomas, and Brain Simmons from the Bengals. One of those three would be a great fit in the LB corp and would give them some youth ans stability for when Zach retires in 2-3 years.
 
expect napoleon harris...if we r serious about getting Dielman, we wont have the money left to sign porter or thomas...and simmons isn't a good fit for a 3-4 OLB
 
I'll say what I said in another thread. Porter would take this defense from #5 overall to #1 overall. He would make our secondary better by creating more pressure and be a great leader in the locker room while also coming at a cheaper price than Adalius Thomas.

Joey Porter: 17.5 sacks in two years. (7.0 last year while missing two games)

Zach + Crowder + Spragan: 8.5 sacks in two years.

Joey almost had their production in sacks over two years in one year alone, and a year where he missed two games non the less.

OLB: Porter
ILB: Crowder
ILB: Thomas
OLB: Taylor

He would be the last piece to our defense other than continuing to get younger of course.
 
matty3054 said:
expect napoleon harris...if we r serious about getting Dielman, we wont have the money left to sign porter or thomas...and simmons isn't a good fit for a 3-4 OLB
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After cuts and restructures we could be around 23 million under the cap. Deilman would be a great pickup, but the thing is as far as the o-line goes guards are the easiest position to fine guys that can play at. I'm going to assume Porter gets 6.5 to 7.0 million a year for maybe three years.

Deilman wants 7 million
Porter will get around 7 million

That equals 14 million. We can make the cap space, and honestly if it comes down to it give me Porter. Guards are far easier to find than guys who dominate a game on defense. (Dont get me wrong I really want Deilman too)
 
Pocoloco said:
hmmm, one's 25 and the other's 30 years old. I wonder who to go after?
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One is a guard one is an elite OLB.

Don't get me wrong every position on the O-line is very important, but guards are easy to plug in and get good play out of. LJ Shelton played above average at RG last season and makes far far less money than Deilman will.

I would never break the bank on a guard.
 
Porter probably gives you 2 really good years and a lot of mouth (believe me, I live in Pittsburgh). After that he starts to slow down, although you never know just how fast that might happen.

Dielman gives you a pro-bowl guard for the next 6-7 years.

Porter is a perfect guy for a team that expects to seriously compete next year or the one after. That's not us, not next year at least.

Dielman is better for a team that is building, and he immediately improves pass protection and the all-around game of our best offensive player, Ronnie Brown.
 
a real sleeper who would come very cheap is Antwan Peek, in 2005 he had 6 sacks. we can help him live to his potential
 
Alex44 said:
After cuts and restructures we could be around 23 million under the cap. Deilman would be a great pickup, but the thing is as far as the o-line goes guards are the easiest position to fine guys that can play at. I'm going to assume Porter gets 6.5 to 7.0 million a year for maybe three years.

Deilman wants 7 million
Porter will get around 7 million

That equals 14 million. We can make the cap space, and honestly if it comes down to it give me Porter. Guards are far easier to find than guys who dominate a game on defense. (Dont get me wrong I really want Deilman too)
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this is exactly right. we are $23mil under with just Carter, Mckinney, Harrington, and Anderson cut.

Figure in James and Mare, who have been threatened to "restructure or relocate".

And Mcmichael, Taylor, and Zach all have either roster bonuses or big salary numbers that can be restructured as well...

...and we have more than enough cap space to fit in the $14mil of space we'd need to sign Dielman and Porter.

Plus, this would enable us to draft BPA at #9. In the 2nd round we can still find a good S, NT, or even a WR, if we dont draft Ginn. So these two moves would propel us in many ways.

It would even allow us to go ahead and draft Quinn if he fell.
 
here is my opinion on some of the OLBs.

Porter and Thomas are the sexy signings. Both are older and would cost some money, but we'd get an impact player with either one of them. Thomas gives us a lot more versitility (lined up at every defensive position last year), and Porter gives us an attitude our defense... no our team needs.

Napolean Harris IMO could be a Vonnie Holliday like signing for us; a player that as all the physical talent, but has underachieved for one reason or another (In Harris's case, 4 different defenses in the last 4 years and the constant switching between OLB and MLB). Like Holliday, I think Harris could be a signing hated early on, but loved by season's end.

Carlos Polk and Antwan Peek are relatively unknown, but are fairly young, and both have experience in the 3-4. Peek IMO,could emerge as a pass rushing force with the right team.

Brian Simmons is older, and not really a great fit for the team.

Donnie Edwards is a good locker room presence, decent in coverage, and a solid tackler. Problem is, he's not great at stopping the run.
 
MrEd said:
this is exactly right. we are $23mil under with just Carter, Mckinney, Harrington, and Anderson cut.

Figure in James and Mare, who have been threatened to "restructure or relocate".

And Mcmichael, Taylor, and Zach all have either roster bonuses or big salary numbers that can be restructured as well...

...and we have more than enough cap space to fit in the $14mil of space we'd need to sign Dielman and Porter.

Plus, this would enable us to draft BPA at #9. In the 2nd round we can still find a good S, NT, or even a WR, if we dont draft Ginn. So these two moves would propel us in many ways.

It would even allow us to go ahead and draft Quinn if he fell.
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first of all, Harrington and Carter have NOT been cut yet...and Carter may not even get cut

as it stands now, I've done the math and we have $11.4 million free in cap space as of this second

should we cut harrington and carter, that would put us at $19.35 million under the cap

the reason for the discrepency is because you arent factoring in the prorated bonuses that will still factor against the cap for 2007 (and also for 2008, but that's not this years problem)
 
Alex44 said:
I'll say what I said in another thread. Porter would take this defense from #5 overall to #1 overall. He would make our secondary better by creating more pressure and be a great leader in the locker room while also coming at a cheaper price than Adalius Thomas.

Joey Porter: 17.5 sacks in two years. (7.0 last year while missing two games)

Zach + Crowder + Spragan: 8.5 sacks in two years.

Joey almost had their production in sacks over two years in one year alone, and a year where he missed two games non the less.

OLB: Porter
ILB: Crowder
ILB: Thomas
OLB: Taylor

He would be the last piece to our defense other than continuing to get younger of course.
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this guy is right but we are also going to need secondary landry
 
no, i completely DISagree with signing "under"achievers. No need for us to be "cheap".

This year, we have the cap space. And next season the salary cap will go up even higher still.

so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to be cheap. let the cap strapped teams like the redskins have to do that...not us. Huizenga even stated that money wouldn't be an issue.

we are fine as far as cap space is concerned.

...we need $5.2mil to re-sign our 4 RFAs and $5mil to sign all our rookies.
So that's $10.2mil.

That alone can be cleared by restructuring some money from Taylor's($9.5mil), Chambers'($7.3mil), Mcmichael's($5.4mil), and Zach's($8mil) contracts, respectively.

Also, James($4mil) and Mare($2mil) have been asked to "restructure or relocate"...so they are clearing some more space as well.

So technically speaking, the $15mil we currently have...and the $7.2mil that is pending to be cleared by cutting Carter and Harrington...that's $22.2mil that we can actually focus soley on "new guys".

Dielman ($7mil), Porter ($7mil), and Mughelli (?)...would be a successful free agent period for us. We'd still have money left over to re-sign Traylor, Bowens, and/or any of our depth guys.

Then we can go ahead and focus our draft on BPAs.
 
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