Our Defense Lost the Game

[kzarei]

Everyone wants to blame Joey for the picks. A QB should not throw picks, but guess what they do sometimes. Hey, some games QB's will throw 3 or 4 picks in a game.

I sat and watched yesterday's game and couldn't believe how successful the Jags offense was. Garrard passed at will, and when he felt the need, he ran. Totally awful.

If our defense showed resistence, like in a "normal" game, then I think we would have had a chance a the end.

 

[Kdawg954]

LMAO, 24 points . . . 14 off turnovers my friend . . . tho not the excellent numbers we have seen from our D, those aren't horrific numbers either. Joey's 2 picks completely changed the momentum and complexion of the game . . . yes QB's make mistakes but his were as critical as they come. As much as u "Joey lovers" want to say Joey "won" the last few games for Miami . . people w/o such bias know it was the play of the D that really helped us win those games . . . the D finally came back to earth and we lost . . . Joey didn't do anything to prevent that from happening . . .he aided in it more than any other player on this team.

 

[Mogwai]

These werent just normal picks throughout the course of the game. Red zone picks and those thrown at the end of halves are killers. Still, I might even be more concerned about Joey's reaction to getting picked than the picks themselves.

Garrard looked awesome. Completely exposed our secondary. We badly need a top corner. We didnt seem very well prepared for what the Jags threw at us. Still, we played a good team. It's hard to say the Defense lost us the game. The D didnt win us the game, like they have the past 4 games and against that Jags D our offense had no chance of making up for that.

 

[kzarei]

. . . 14 off turnovers my friend . . .

I have never seen a more misleading stat than Pts Off Turnovers. I don't think it should really matter how the other team gets the ball unless thir defense runs the turnover back for a touchdown or to the red zone. Jags got the ball, what, inside their own 10 yd line after the first pick. The defense had no responsibility for that td drive? Give me a break.

Um, no, this wasn't the defense "coming down to earth". That would imply that they have played over their heads and and now playing normally. Dang, if this is the case, then we are in serious trouble.

 

[Mogwai]

LMAO, 24 points . . . 14 off turnovers my friend . . . tho not the excellent numbers we have seen from our D, those aren't horrific numbers either. Joey's 2 picks completely changed the momentum and complexion of the game . . . yes QB's make mistakes but his were as critical as they come. As much as u "Joey lovers" want to say Joey "won" the last few games for Miami . . people w/o such bias know it was the play of the D that really helped us win those games . . . the D finally came back to earth and we lost . . . Joey didn't do anything to prevent that from happening . . .he aided in it more than any other player on this team.

To be fair, those points off turnover are a little misleading. 7 came after a 90+ yard drive and the other 7 i'd put on Joey for that horrible pick before half but the defense was a little gutless in giving up 35 yards on two plays with 30 seconds left.

 

[Kdawg954]

I have never seen a more misleading stat than Pts Off Turnovers. I don't think it should really matter how the other team gets the ball unless thir defense runs the turnover back for a touchdown or to the red zone. Jags got the ball, what, inside their own 10 yd line after the first pick. The defense had no responsibility for that td drive? Give me a break.

Um, no, this wasn't the defense "coming down to earth". That would imply that they have played over their heads and and now playing normally. Dang, if this is the case, then we are in serious trouble.

Misleading stat? Hmmm didn't matter last week against Detroit how they ran up the field on Miami the first drive . . . and the week before Minny did the same thing . . . fact is . . that INT was a momentum killer and cost this team valuable points . . . and I'm pretty sure that final pick before the half was "misleading" as well . . . Jville drives down the field on our D and then Joey puts them right back out there with the most boneheaded pick I have seen in a long time.

 

[adamprez2003]

I have never seen a more misleading stat than Pts Off Turnovers. I don't think it should really matter how the other team gets the ball unless thir defense runs the turnover back for a touchdown or to the red zone. Jags got the ball, what, inside their own 10 yd line after the first pick. The defense had no responsibility for that td drive? Give me a break.

Um, no, this wasn't the defense "coming down to earth". That would imply that they have played over their heads and and now playing normally. Dang, if this is the case, then we are in serious trouble.

LOL. Exactly. Blame Harrington for taking 3 points off our board with his first pick (of course that assumes Mare makes the FG) Blame him for giving the Jags another gimme FG with his second pick (unfortunately our defense quickly turned that into a touchdown) . Harrington can be blamed for 6 points.

 

[Kdawg954]

To be fair, those points off turnover are a little misleading. 7 came after a 90+ yard drive and the other 7 i'd put on Joey for that horrible pick before half but the defense was a little gutless in giving up 35 yards on two plays with 30 seconds left.

How is that gutless when Jville had a big time drive, the D was obviously tired from that massive OLine and then your QB, who is supposed to manage the game, puts u back on the field less than 5 minutes later on a short field. Big Drives happen in this league . . .point is, the turnovers caused the momentum shift. If we kick the FG and go up 10-3 and kickoff . . .who knows what would have happened . . . we would have had the crowd fully behind us still . . .but the turnover deflated the team and the second one was the nail in the coffin . . .I don't care how people want to sugarcoat it . . facts are facts.

 

[Aussiefinfan54]

well they cant win us for us every week. it would be for just once we had a flawless game on offence with minimal turnovers and big production with run and pass.

 

[kzarei]

Exactly. Every game there are turnover (which are most) and the recipient happens to score on the resulting offensive drive then it's always considered points off turnovers. It's labeled as such to show blame on the offense.

Let's say it's 3rd and 10 from the Miami 40 and "Joey" throws a bomb to the other teams 20 and it gets picked, ball down. Now, the other team scores. What's the difference on whether "Joey's" pass is picked or it's incomplete and we punt to the other teams 20?

It think a more critical stat when it comes to turnovers are the opportunitity points lost. Well, we lost at least 3 points yesterday with Joey's first pick. Oh well. The second int, well the Jags were almost into the red zone. Our defense should have held and allowed 3 points. I would blame our offense for a net of 6 points yesterday.

Hey, Joey is average at best. I didn't like either of the 2 qb choices in the off season. The defense still needs to do their job.

 

[Mogwai]

How is that gutless when Jville had a big time drive, the D was obviously tired from that massive OLine and then your QB, who is supposed to manage the game, puts u back on the field less than 5 minutes later on a short field. Big Drives happen in this league . . .point is, the turnovers caused the momentum shift. If we kick the FG and go up 10-3 and kickoff . . .who knows what would have happened . . . we would have had the crowd fully behind us still . . .but the turnover deflated the team and the second one was the nail in the coffin . . .I don't care how people want to sugarcoat it . . facts are facts.

I'm not going to spend much time defending the 2nd pick because that was a flat out horrible play by Joey. But the first pick... What do you think is more deflating, a QB throwing a 3rd down pick in the endzone because he doesnt want to settle for the field goal or the defense giving up a 95(!) yard drive? I dont have much of a problem with the first pick. Picks happen in this league, same way that allowing big drives do and they both lose games. We win with our defense. 95 yard td drives should not happen.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

I'll go ahead and grade the team as a whole.....

QB - The picks killed Harrington / D
RB - Morris did an admirable job / C+
WR / TE - I was not impressed with their outing yesterday / D
OL - The OL was blown off the line all day. McIntosh was dominated / F
DL - No pass rush, couldn't contain Gerrard. Run defense average / D
LB - Hardly made any plays, were a nonfactor basically / D
S - These guys were completely dominated yesterday / F
DB - Same as above. These guys looked lost.... / F

ST - D
Coaching - D

Honestly speaking, I've always thought that Jacksonville is a more physical football team than we are. They proved it again yesterday....

PHINZ RULE!!!

 

[dw10]

The damage done by Joey's Int's cannot be found on a stat sheet. Those Int's were MOMENTUM KILLERS!!!!! I mean they were killers! One play can change the course of a game. I'm not saying we definitely would have won had Joey not thrown the picks, but the game would have gone a different way.....and you know what, it probably would have gone to our advantage. If Joey doesn't throw that 1st pick, we're up 10-3, possibly 14-3 AND with MOMENTUM! That's everything. Then Joey does t AGAIN at the end of the half. What do you think that did to them in the locker room at half time. Look at how fired up Jax was at half. Momentum is huge and Joey singlehandidly cost us the momentum.

 

[adamprez2003]

I might even give the RBs a better grade. Honestly, they're the only ones who played up to their abilities yesterday

 

[Kdawg954]

I'm not going to spend much time defending the 2nd pick because that was a flat out horrible play by Joey. But the first pick... What do you think is more deflating, a QB throwing a 3rd down pick in the endzone because he doesnt want to settle for the field goal or the defense giving up a 95(!) yard drive? I dont have much of a problem with the first pick. Picks happen in this league, same way that allowing big drives do and they both lose games. We win with our defense. 95 yard td drives should not happen.

But they do my friend . . . and it unreasonable to think our D is perfect. We went 80 yards on their D on the first drive . . . and they have a good D as well. But this is back to back weeks we have seen Joey have a pick by the endzone . . . did u see the redzone stats for Miami? They are terrible . . . its inexcuseable for us not to get points in the redzone. Yes our D had a tuff day . . . nobody is disupting that . . . but u get them in at halftime and u adjust . . . u don't throw the most bonehead pick of the year and put them back on the field for more abuse . . . we only gave up 7 points after halftime . . . so to say the D "lost the game" which is what this thread is implying is just plain silly.