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First came the shock. A slackened jaw, then a blink, just to make sure the eyes weren't deceiving: Palmeiro suspended, the e-mail read.

At the end was the feeling of violation. Rafael Palmeiro, the man who wagged his finger at a Congressional subcommittee to emphasize that he never used steroids, was exposed by a Major League Baseball drug test to have, in fact, used them.

Baseball's worst nightmare happened a year ago today: A superstar caught, a 3,000-hit, 500-home run masher a cheat. Palmeiro's career died immediately, though Kübler-Ross theory on grieving did not apply. There was no denying the situation, no bargaining, no depression – nothing in between. Only anger and acceptance, because steroids, at their core, are that black and white an issue: He used or he didn't.

After all the allegations against Barry Bonds and the hemming and hawing by Jason Giambi and the dodging of the past from Mark McGwire, finally there was irrefutable proof that steroids were not some kind of medicinal Yeti, an ungraspable monster. Yes, Alex Sanchez and Jorge Piedra and Augustin Montero and Jamal Strong and Juan Rincon and Rafael Betancourt had tested positive. Palmeiro's arm hair had more cachet than that entire group combined.

And so a day that was supposed to be like any other, Aug. 1, 2005, ballooned into one of revelation and introspection and suspicion in a sport that needed none of the three. Already the steroid scandal had dented baseball; Palmeiro's positive blew down its door.

In his blood, we'd soon learn, they'd found stanozolol, one of the most potent anabolic steroids available. Nothing Palmeiro could have gotten from a B-12 vitamin shot, as he claimed, or from any kind of supplement.

Oh, the players can deny, deny, deny all they want, and they will. Palmeiro still hasn't admitted taking steroids today, as he sits at home, excised from the game like an unwanted mole.

Following Palmeiro's 10-day suspension, he returned to the Baltimore Orioles and went 0 for 4 against the Toronto Blue Jays. He'd get two hits in the next game, then finish his career 0 for his final 20. The Orioles, who were atop the American League East most of the first half, faded into fourth place by the end of the season, their clubhouse fractured by Palmeiro's positive and his allegations linking shortstop Miguel Tejada to the entire mess.

It's interesting to see where baseball has gone since Palmeiro's positive. Pressured by lawmakers, it increased the suspension for a first-time offender from 10 games to 50. Since the beginning of the season, only New York Mets reliever Yusaku Iriki has tested positive in a major-league test – and he was at Triple-A when his suspension was levied.


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Raffie should fade into obscurity along with the other guys who cheated themselves and the game of baseball. :rolleyes:
 
he was in Texas about a week ago when the Yanks played in Texas.

Palmerio has lost weight, grown a beard, and has super long hair. He has changed his apperance so people don't go up and bother him. You would hardly know who he was if he was standing next to you alot of the Yanks people were saying.
 
MikeO said:
he was in Texas about a week ago when the Yanks played in Texas.

Palmerio has lost weight, grown a beard, and has super long hair. He has changed his apperance so people don't go up and bother him. You would hardly know who he was if he was standing next to you alot of the Yanks people were saying.

Yeah I was just gonna post that. He got what he deserved IMO.
 
There's going to be a ton of guys who get into the Hall of Fame from this generation who have juiced. The reason why Palmeiro, Giambi, McGwire, Bonds, and countless others won't is because they were dumb enough to leave a paper trail. With that said I don't blame one of these guys for taking steroids. They've all made millions of dollars (some of the biggest contracts in sports history) and have broken numerous records and whether some of you care to admit it or not, most of you would have done the exact same thing. I know I would have and I don't care what anyone says about it!
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
There's going to be a ton of guys who get into the Hall of Fame from this generation who have juiced. The reason why Palmeiro, Giambi, McGwire, Bonds, and countless others won't is because they were dumb enough to leave a paper trail. With that said I don't blame one of these guys for taking steroids. They've all made millions of dollars (some of the biggest contracts in sports history) and have broken numerous records and whether some of you care to admit it or not, most of you would have done the exact same thing. I know I would have and I don't care what anyone says about it!

Bonds is a HOF player, and was before he used steroids. Giambi to me isn't a HOF player and either is Palmeiro. McGwire may get in eventually but if he doesn't it won't be a huge shock.

Eric Byrnes of the Diamondbacks stated that after Palmeiro accused Tejada that if he ever went into the clubhouse their would be a huge problem. After the hearings the media was applauding Palmeiro for being the only guy who would answer the questions and be up-front; when he was the biggest fraud of them all. Al the numbers jumped of the guys accused but I think I remember seeing Palmeiro being like a ten homerun guy and he ends up with 500 it's incredible.
 
djfresh47 said:
Bonds is a HOF player, and was before he used steroids. Giambi to me isn't a HOF player and either is Palmeiro. McGwire may get in eventually but if he doesn't it won't be a huge shock.

I agree. McGwire will get in because he was a huge draw and one of the best home run hitters of the steroid era and "saved" baseball along with Sammy Sosa after the strike.

I never thought Palmeiro should have gotten in even though he has the "magic numbers" of 500 HR and 3,000 hits. The HOF in my opinion should be for dominate players of their time. Palmeiro was never the best player on his team (he was 3rd or 4th best on his team most years) or at his position. Add that to the fact he only made the All-Star game 3 or 4 times is really telling.
 
Ray Finkle said:
I agree. McGwire will get in because he was a huge draw and one of the best home run hitters of the steroid era and "saved" baseball along with Sammy Sosa after the strike.

I never thought Palmeiro should have gotten in even though he has the "magic numbers" of 500 HR and 3,000 hits. The HOF in my opinion should be for dominate players of their time. Palmeiro was never the best player on his team (he was 3rd or 4th best on his team most years) or at his position. Add that to the fact he only made the All-Star game 3 or 4 times is really telling.

Not really. He played 1B with guys like BigMac, Frank Thomas, Mo Vaughn, etc, etc, it was the hardest position in baseball to make the All Star team. If Palmerio hadnt tested positive he would have made the Hall, maybe not first ballot but he had the numbers and he certainly was one of the games best all around hitters for a decade or so. He was just stupid enough to get caught and its going to cost him while other guys like Sosa, Big Mac, etc get in eventually when they were just as bad if not worse.
 
finfansince72 said:
Not really. He played 1B with guys like BigMac, Frank Thomas, Mo Vaughn, etc, etc, it was the hardest position in baseball to make the All Star team. If Palmerio hadnt tested positive he would have made the Hall, maybe not first ballot but he had the numbers and he certainly was one of the games best all around hitters for a decade or so. He was just stupid enough to get caught and its going to cost him while other guys like Sosa, Big Mac, etc get in eventually when they were just as bad if not worse.

One of the things that I believe is looked at by the voters is the number of times a guy has finished in the top 10 in MVP balloting. Palmeiro before the 'roid scandal was probably a toss-up whether he should get in. He had good numbers but he was never really an elite player at any point in his career. Just consistently above average. McGwire may eventually get in but I doubt Sosa will. An interesting thing that I am going to look out for in the next 5-10 years is if guys like Bagwell and Frank Thomas are looked at more favorably by voters because their has never been any speculation about performance enhancers with either one of them. Next year I believe McGwire is eligible and it will be a public relations nightmare if he is voted in along with two guys who have a positive image in Gwynn and Ripken.
 
djfresh47 said:
One of the things that I believe is looked at by the voters is the number of times a guy has finished in the top 10 in MVP balloting. Palmeiro before the 'roid scandal was probably a toss-up whether he should get in. He had good numbers but he was never really an elite player at any point in his career. Just consistently above average. McGwire may eventually get in but I doubt Sosa will. An interesting thing that I am going to look out for in the next 5-10 years is if guys like Bagwell and Frank Thomas are looked at more favorably by voters because their has never been any speculation about performance enhancers with either one of them. Next year I believe McGwire is eligible and it will be a public relations nightmare if he is voted in along with two guys who have a positive image in Gwynn and Ripken.

I would think that Bagwell and Thomas would get in on their first tries, you may be right that they will get more of a favorable look because they have never been suspected of steriod use.
Im not sure the MVP voting makes a huge difference, makes sense though. But really how many times has Jeter been up near the top of the MVP voting? Hes surely going to be a first ballot guy. Really Palmerio stats wise has a seriously strong case, he was one of the best hitters for around or over 10 years. His numbers are HOF worthy but he was never on great teams, never had those career defining records or World Series moments, etc so he would have probaly had to wait a few tries but I believe he was going to get in. Now he wont, Id be shocked if he makes it.
 
finfansince72 said:
I would think that Bagwell and Thomas would get in on their first tries, you may be right that they will get more of a favorable look because they have never been suspected of steriod use.
Im not sure the MVP voting makes a huge difference, makes sense though. But really how many times has Jeter been up near the top of the MVP voting? Hes surely going to be a first ballot guy. Really Palmerio stats wise has a seriously strong case, he was one of the best hitters for around or over 10 years. His numbers are HOF worthy but he was never on great teams, never had those career defining records or World Series moments, etc so he would have probaly had to wait a few tries but I believe he was going to get in. Now he wont, Id be shocked if he makes it.

Their is 0 % chance he gets in. I don't know if Thomas or Bagwell are 1st ballot guys but they may eventually get in. Jeter has the career moments and playing on championship teams and being in the playoffs every year has elevated the publics perception of him. Jeter is a 1st ballot guy and will be remembered as the face of the championship Yankees teams of the late 90's.
 
djfresh47 said:
Their is 0 % chance he gets in. I don't know if Thomas or Bagwell are 1st ballot guys but they may eventually get in. Jeter has the career moments and playing on championship teams and being in the playoffs every year has elevated the publics perception of him. Jeter is a 1st ballot guy and will be remembered as the face of the championship Yankees teams of the late 90's.

Well the baseball writers are a bunch of idiots so Bagwell and Thomas may have to wait but they are certainly 1st ballot guys. If they had played on the Yankees teams Jeter has they would certainly be. If Palmerio had played for the Yanks he would be a clear hall of famer. He would have gotten in before the positive test even without being on those teams, if he had postseason exposure and moments he might still even have a shot.
 
Jeff Bagwell is NOT getting into the hall of fame nor is Frank Thomas
 
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