Parcells/Ireland so far?

[SpaceMountain16]

This is the official "express CONCERN with Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland" thread.

It seems as though all along many members at FinHeaven has expressed an undying loyalty to these guys, loving and supporting every move they make blindly without thinking "what if this is a bad decision".

I guess it's hard to question the track record of at least Parcells (unless you're nyjunc) But it seems to me that Parcells never had any intention of giving any of Cam Cameron's players a chance, anybody we counted on in the previous eras are pretty much gone. He came in, wiped the slate clean, cleaned house. Perhaps that's a good thing, but at the same time i'm not sure that it is.

This thread isn't just about getting rid of John Beck.....If that happens. But it is a little questionable that Parcells and Ireland who never really liked Beck from the beginning, are not giving him any kind of chance to prove his worth or lack there of to the team.

Cutting Jay Feely is another move that i just dont get. Not that i regard Jay Feely as good as his season was last year, but releasing him in favor of a guy who has never had anywhere near the success Feely has seems stupid to me. Carpenter has a good leg, we know that, but we dont know if he's going to be one of our most reliable players as Feely was last year. Feely's weakness was on kickoffs which Carpenter should be much better at. But it seems like the Dolphins again have taken a strength and turned it into a weakness.

Then there were the guys FinHeaven went crazy for. Signing ten free agents in one day or whatever it was! Ernest Wilford! Josh McCown! Huge splashes Guys who i myself (to give me a pat on the back ) questioned as mediocre at best players. Now these guys are in danger of not even making the team.

Trading Lorenzo Booker was a HUGE mistake. This move makes no sense to me at all, zero, none, zilch. Ronnie Brown just came off an ACL injury which means his one hit away from missing another season, while Ricky Williams has proven over the last four years he CANNOT be counted on. So what do we do? We trade our only depth for nothing, a worthless draft pick which is less than what Booker even cost. I'm dreading the situation where Ronnie and Ricky get injured or something and then god knows who (Parmele? Cobbs?) is the RB for this team.

Bill Parcells is STUBBORN, he had a plan when he came in here, and will not change it for nobody. Booker didn't fit into that plan, neither does Beck, and i wouldn't be surprised to see Ted Ginn gone by the end of the this season.

End the lovefest! If you have your doubts post them here, this is just MY opinion.

 

[RLMIAMI]

I agree with most of your points. My main concern is with the QB selection record with Parcells/Ireland. It is at best "iffy". In turn Mueller has an OUTSTANDING record of finding quality NFL starters.
With all that said I am resigned to just turning on the TV on Sunday's and pushing for a win regardless of who is on the team.

 

[NBP81]

I hope Parcells had a plan and I HOPE he wont change it for anyboby because his plans usually work...

 

[kingjust30]

u made some really good points but the booker thing made some sense. parcells and co feel that your 3rd down back should have a really big impact on your special teams and booker had no value on st. he is really small and parcells didnt see him as a special teamer and he wasnt a parcells type of power runner. parcells likes a steady diet of power running and parmalee fits into the scheme perfect so im not that mad about the booker move

 

[CedarPhin]

Booker reminded me of Travis Minor v.2

 

[Phinsfan210]

I disagree with just about everything you said. First of all, We drafted two runningbacks and we have Cobbs, so theres no need for Lorenzo Booker. Second of all, yea Bill parcells is stubborn, but with his track record, hes allowed to be. And he was smart not to break the bank for any big time player in free agency. Hes building through the draft, a concept that seems to be unknown here in Miami....

 

[Geforce]

This is the official "express CONCERN with Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland" thread.

It seems as though all along many members at FinHeaven has expressed an undying loyalty to these guys, loving and supporting every move they make blindly without thinking "what if this is a bad decision".

I guess it's hard to question the track record of at least Parcells (unless you're nyjunc) But it seems to me that Parcells never had any intention of giving any of Cam Cameron's players a chance, anybody we counted on in the previous eras are pretty much gone. He came in, wiped the slate clean, cleaned house. Perhaps that's a good thing, but at the same time i'm not sure that it is.

If the players that Cam brought in didn't fit Parcells & Irelands criteria then they should get rid of them and bring in the players whom they feel does. This usually means that some players who were fan favorites will be shown the door. Cameron did it last year so why shouldn't Parcells?
[quote-SpaceMountain16;1062565153]This thread isn't just about getting rid of John Beck.....If that happens. But it is a little questionable that Parcells and Ireland who never really liked Beck from the beginning, are not giving him any kind of chance to prove his worth or lack there of to the team.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but I think you are reaching on this one. I highly doubt they would have spent as much time during the offseason working on his mechanices if they didn't like him. I also doubt Bill Parcells would have sat down with Beck, while John was eating lunch, if he didn't like him.

Cutting Jay Feely is another move that i just dont get. Not that i regard Jay Feely as good as his season was last year, but releasing him in favor of a guy who has never had anywhere near the success Feely has seems stupid to me. Carpenter has a good leg, we know that, but we dont know if he's going to be one of our most reliable players as Feely was last year. Feely's weakness was on kickoffs which Carpenter should be much better at. But it seems like the Dolphins again have taken a strength and turned it into a weakness.

Then there were the guys FinHeaven went crazy for. Signing ten free agents in one day or whatever it was! Ernest Wilford! Josh McCown! Huge splashes Guys who i myself (to give me a pat on the back ) questioned as mediocre at best players. Now these guys are in danger of not even making the team.

Trading Lorenzo Booker was a HUGE mistake. This move makes no sense to me at all, zero, none, zilch. Ronnie Brown just came off an ACL injury which means his one hit away from missing another season, while Ricky Williams has proven over the last four years he CANNOT be counted on. So what do we do? We trade our only depth for nothing, a worthless draft pick which is less than what Booker even cost. I'm dreading the situation where Ronnie and Ricky get injured or something and then god knows who (Parmele? Cobbs?) is the RB for this team.

Maybe trading Lorenzo was a huge mistake but I'll reserve judgement on that depending on how well Jalen Parmele performs. Sparano likes players that offer versatility and unfortunately, IMO, Booker doesn't offer that. Booker's inability to play special teams was probably the reason he was traded.

Bill Parcells is STUBBORN, he had a plan when he came in here, and will not change it for nobody. Booker didn't fit into that plan, neither does Beck, and i wouldn't be surprised to see Ted Ginn gone by the end of the this season.

End the lovefest! If you have your doubts post them here, this is just MY opinion.

It's okay to question some of the moves that the FO is making but the one thing you should not do is take it so personal.

 

[Rev Kev]

I disagree with just about everything you said. First of all, We drafted two runningbacks and we have Cobbs, so theres no need for Lorenzo Booker. Second of all, yea Bill parcells is stubborn, but with his track record, hes allowed to be. And he was smart not to break the bank for any big time player in free agency. Hes building through the draft, a concept that seems to be unknown here in Miami....

This is a good rebuff I'll add that Ginn will stay..., Solai has a chance to stay..., Satale is in..., so what's this guys reasoning about BP cleaning house...?

BP can be credited for changing the "LOSER" DNA without splitting the locker-room

 

[CedarPhin]

It's easy to see why many of the moves that this new regime has made were made.

Booker netted us an extra pick, and we've now got Parmele and Cobbs. I never understood the whole infatuation with Booker, as I said above, he reminded me of Travis Minor. I like Parmele better.

The Feely thing doesn't bother me much either. I figured once Carpenter was brought in, and called personally by Parcells, that Feely was done. I never really liked the guy anyway.

Most of the guys brought in were for depth purposes, not necessairly because they'd become superstars overnight.

Getting Ayodele/Fasano for a 4th was a great move, and this draft has yielded some good results (so far).

I like this new regime, and I feel that they're building us for success in the future. Would you rather have clueless Cam running the team? Do you enjoy 1-15 seasons?

 

[hoops]

wow. this front office is 10 times better than anything we've had for like the last 15 years of outright incompetence.

and a 1-15 football team doesn't need to complain about losing a fg kicker. right now it's the least of our worries.

 

[DrunkenFan]

This is the official "express CONCERN with Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland" thread.

It seems as though all along many members at FinHeaven has expressed an undying loyalty to these guys, loving and supporting every move they make blindly without thinking "what if this is a bad decision".

I guess it's hard to question the track record of at least Parcells (unless you're nyjunc) But it seems to me that Parcells never had any intention of giving any of Cam Cameron's players a chance, anybody we counted on in the previous eras are pretty much gone. He came in, wiped the slate clean, cleaned house. Perhaps that's a good thing, but at the same time i'm not sure that it is.

This thread isn't just about getting rid of John Beck.....If that happens. But it is a little questionable that Parcells and Ireland who never really liked Beck from the beginning, are not giving him any kind of chance to prove his worth or lack there of to the team.

Cutting Jay Feely is another move that i just dont get. Not that i regard Jay Feely as good as his season was last year, but releasing him in favor of a guy who has never had anywhere near the success Feely has seems stupid to me. Carpenter has a good leg, we know that, but we dont know if he's going to be one of our most reliable players as Feely was last year. Feely's weakness was on kickoffs which Carpenter should be much better at. But it seems like the Dolphins again have taken a strength and turned it into a weakness.

Then there were the guys FinHeaven went crazy for. Signing ten free agents in one day or whatever it was! Ernest Wilford! Josh McCown! Huge splashes Guys who i myself (to give me a pat on the back ) questioned as mediocre at best players. Now these guys are in danger of not even making the team.

Trading Lorenzo Booker was a HUGE mistake. This move makes no sense to me at all, zero, none, zilch. Ronnie Brown just came off an ACL injury which means his one hit away from missing another season, while Ricky Williams has proven over the last four years he CANNOT be counted on. So what do we do? We trade our only depth for nothing, a worthless draft pick which is less than what Booker even cost. I'm dreading the situation where Ronnie and Ricky get injured or something and then god knows who (Parmele? Cobbs?) is the RB for this team.

Bill Parcells is STUBBORN, he had a plan when he came in here, and will not change it for nobody. Booker didn't fit into that plan, neither does Beck, and i wouldn't be surprised to see Ted Ginn gone by the end of the this season.

End the lovefest! If you have your doubts post them here, this is just MY opinion.

You touch on some good points, and honestly, I consider Ireland and Parcells one person since if there's one puppet in all of this it's Ireland. The only reason that buffoon is even here is so Parcells doesn't have to get in front of the camera. Jerry Jones and Parcells made the majority of moves in Dallas, so Ireland is just a figure head as far as I'm concerned.

How they're treating Beck I think is the biggest mistake they're making. Feeley was a mouthpiece, and should be seen and not heard, so Parcells kicking him to the curb made sense. The only thing that didn't make sense in that is the fact they'll still have to pay his contract, so BP must have really disliked him.

I like Booker, too, but if the draft has proven anything it's that good RBs can be had in later rounds. That said, there's nothing to indicate that Parmele couldn't fill Booker's role, though I liked Booker a lot.

Parcells wanted to erase a lot of what Cameron did, and Wayne knew he could give him the power to do what he didn't have the stones to, which is fire Cameron after one year. We'll no doubt feel the effects of these moves at some point, whether it's Beck, McCown, Feeley or Booker, but to what extent remains to be seen.

 

[minus]

I agree with you...

 

[hoops]

You touch on some good points, and honestly, I consider Ireland and Parcells one person since if there's one puppet in all of this it's Ireland. The only reason that buffoon is even here is so Parcells doesn't have to get in front of the camera. Jerry Jones and Parcells made the majority of moves in Dallas, so Ireland is just a figure head as far as I'm concerned.

How they're treating Beck I think is the biggest mistake they're making. Feeley was a mouthpiece, and should be seen and not heard, so Parcells kicking him to the curb made sense. The only thing that didn't make sense in that is the fact they'll still have to pay his contract, so BP must have really disliked him.

I like Booker, too, but if the draft has proven anything it's that good RBs can be had in later rounds. That said, there's nothing to indicate that Parmele couldn't fill Booker's role, though I liked Booker a lot.

Parcells wanted to erase a lot of what Cameron did, and Wayne knew he could give him the power to do what he didn't have the stones to, which is fire Cameron after one year. We'll no doubt feel the effects of these moves at some point, whether it's Beck, McCown, Feeley or Booker, but to what extent remains to be seen.

that buffoon ireland is the main reason all world olb demarcus ware is in big d. the guy is a very good talent evaluator and we're lucky to have him. mueller was a buffoon and so was and still is spielman.

 

[3rdandinches]

Our O/D lines are now better, we have QB to lead us while two young QB's are developing. Are run game will be awesome, which in return will open up a pass game for us. We're alot younger with depth in some not all areas, and this is all in one draft, one offseason, what's not to like? We're going to struggle this year, but I bet you majority of our games will be close. Another offseason like this one and we're fighting for playoff contention.

Why would this FO and coaching staff keep players that do not suit their philosophy. Why so they can struggle to run their "o" and "d" plays. They like big everything LB's, Lineman, RB's etc.... and kickers are a dime a dozen, if Feely was so valuable why was he not signed long term before coming to us? We now have a kid who can kick touchbacks limiting returns and making teams go the length of the field.

 

[BillParFan]

I agree with most of your points. My main concern is with the QB selection record with Parcells/Ireland. It is at best "iffy".

Based on........?:mike13:

FACT is that the Cowboys QB would be Drew Henson(Jerry Jones multi mil f-up) instead of Romo if not for Parcells.