Parcell's system

[acmeanvil49]

I am sick and tired of having the term "parcell's system" thrown into everyones responses.

Football players are football players. Zach Thomas is going to make plays on a football field, he is an all-pro player.

He will continue to chase and find the ball at the NFL level and make plays.

Thomas is just one example, I have seen dozens of people throw this term around, you do realize Soprano is the head coach .... NOT A PUPPETT?

IF "Parcells System" is all were concerned about why hire a head coach?

Let Parcells be GM and coach.

 

[Pinkboy]

I am sick and tired of having the term "parcell's system" thrown into everyones responses.

Football players are football players. Zach Thomas is going to make plays on a football field, he is an all-pro player.

He will continue to chase and find the ball at the NFL level and make plays.

Thomas is just one example, I have seen dozens of people throw this term around, you do realize Soprano is the head coach .... NOT A PUPPETT?

IF "Parcells System" is all were concerned about why hire a head coach?

Let Parcells be GM and coach.

Zach doesn't fit in a parcells system. Thats why he was released.

Maybe you should read this to see what a TRUE Parcells 3-4 front 7 entails.. You can cry all you want, but look at his previous teams.. You need 290 to 300 pound defensive ends and you need 260 to 270 pound outside linebackers. And 250+ pound inside LB guys.

It's a fact.

 

[Dolfan1000]

Well, you're wrong, because certain players dont fit in certain systems.

So, no.

 

[Pinkboy]

Here's the link I was talking about (I meant to link it in my last post).. You need to understand the type of players in Parcells 3-4 system to understand the importance of acquiring players that fit into that system-

EVERYONE should read this article ASAP-

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2008/34defense.htm

After you read that, you will see why guys like Ali Highsmith would be useless in our system (just bringing him up as an example because some people said they wanted him in the 6th round)..

 

[acmeanvil49]

look at his previous teams

Patriots...won SB after Parcells was gone.
Jets...NOTHING
Cowboys...STILL haven't won a playoff game.

Your point was ????

Tony Dungy built the Tampa Bay Bucs into a very competitive football team .....they won the Super Bowl AFTER he was fired.....no one claims it was Dungy's players or Dungy's System.

Parcells system.....HOGWASH

 

[Dolfan81]

it isnt BP coaching but it is his coachs every last one of them, he signed them according to what he wants the team to do, meaning "His System" is being coached

 

[Pinkboy]

Patriots...won SB after Parcells was gone.
Jets...NOTHING
Cowboys...STILL haven't won a playoff game.

Parcells took every single one of those teams from being one of the worst teams in the league (before he arrived) to being a playoff team in a very short period of time (after his arrival).. That's a FACT.

And your post had absolutely nothing to do with Parcells being here now and him acquiring the players that fit HIS system..

Read the article I posted and learn about it.

 

[acmeanvil49]

I read the article you posted and it did nothing for me.

“I never knew why, but most defensive coordinators love linebackers. It doesn’t matter if it’s a 3-4 or a 4-3. They put big guys in a place so the linebackers could make plays. With the 3-4, that is even more pronounced because the defensive line is a sacrificial lamb for the linebackers to get the plays and the glory.â€

Not many LB's in the league today that would "get the plays and the glory" more than Zach Thomas.

I hate to keep using Zach as an example because the 3-4 defense isnt even the reason I posted the thread is was people saying Lorenzo Booker didnt fit parcells system

Ridiculous.. Booker is a very limited player.. He's weak, he can't block, he can't run inside the tackles worth a damn. He may see 4 plays a game tops when everyone is healthy.

Meanwhile paremele is alot stronger, bigger, scouts say he is an "excellent inside runner" (while Booker can't run inside if his life depended on it). Parmele is a good blocker (which is vital to protect our QB's)..

Booker is useless on a Bill Parcells team

Parmele >>> Booker

It figures you were the one I was referring too :sidelol:

Excuse me greyboy your right....RB Lorenzo Booker doent fit well into Parcells 3-4 defensive scheme.....your right

 

[Pinkboy]

By the way, the first team you posted , the Patriots, won super bowls by employing the "Parcells system".

The 2nd team you named, the colts, won a super bowl mainly because of having the best QB in the league. Do you really think they get to the SB with an average QB? Dungy's defenses have been huge failures.. Go read the posts on Colts message boards over the past 4 years and see how disgusted they have been regarding their defense.

And the cowboys were seen as one of the best teams in the league last year, mostly due to Parcells building that team into a contender from being horrible before he arrived there.

And regarding Booker, it is well known what type of offense Parcells tried to run.. Did you just become a fan? Because I remember his offenses way back to when he won super bowls coaching the Giants.

 

[Myles Fynch]

Here's the link I was talking about (I meant to link it in my last post).. You need to understand the type of players in Parcells 3-4 system to understand the importance of acquiring players that fit into that system-

EVERYONE should read this article ASAP-

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2008/34defense.htm

After you read that, you will see why guys like Ali Highsmith would be useless in our system (just bringing him up as an example because some people said they wanted him in the 6th round)..

That's a good read. Funny how the ebb and flow of what's in vogue can change over time. We were a 3-4 when I was a kid and I hated it. Seemed like it always let us down in big games against more physical offensive lines. Right now, it seems to be an advantage to switch back to it. And I'm sure in a few years it will change again...

 

[WVDolphan]

By the way, the first team you posted , the Patriots, won super bowls by employing the "Parcells system".

The 2nd team you named, the colts, won a super bowl mainly because of having the best QB in the league. Do you really think they get to the SB with an average QB? Dungy's defenses have been huge failures.. Go read the posts on Colts message boards over the past 4 years and see how disgusted they have been regarding their defense.

And the cowboys were seen as one of the best teams in the league last year, mostly due to Parcells building that team into a contender from being horrible before he arrived there.

And regarding Booker, it is well known what type of offense Parcells tried to run.. Did you just become a fan? Because I remember his offenses way back to when he won super bowls coaching the Giants.

Some people just dont get it dude.

And on a side note, Ive always throw that out there about Dungy. No one seems to mention that Dungy is supposedly a defensive genius, yet his defenses in Indy have blown for years. Heres a guy who was brought into a situation where he already has the great QB and WR and edge at the time. Taylor made offense there for him. All he has to do is fix the D, which is what he is supposedly a genius at......he never does. He rides Mannings coat tails on route to a world title and is praised as an elite coach. I dont get it.

 

[His'nBeatYour'n]

If and when a marginal player doesn't fit the "Parcells Guy" mold, I fully expect the team to make a personnel change. The reason that successful guys like Parcells have "Parcells Guy" mold is because they've paid the price when trying to fit the wrong players into their system.

What I don't like is when a new coach strips genuine talent off their new team simply in order to get "their" players on the roster. This is always frustrating when the new players are out of the league in two years, while the talent they got rid of is making plays in another city. If Thomas wasn't a huge salary cap liability, or he was closer to being in his prime, I would have a problem with getting rid of such a player, because Thomas has never fit anyone's "mold" but he flat out knows how to play. His replacement as the heart and soul of the defense isn't on the Dolphins roster at this time. But the defense will be better in 2008 nonetheless.

It is very frustrating for Dolphin fans. Because of the constant coaching changes we've continually seen yesterday's potential being cut or traded for the new regime's prototype player. Hopefully Sparano is more successful than the last 2 coaches and we won't see Kendall Langford getting cut or trade for nothing 2 years from now for that new player who "fits the mold"

Marino didn't fit the "Shula mold" but Marino's talent forced Shula to change his offensive style. Hopefully Sparano, Ireland and Parcells are as flexible, in the mean time I'll forgive them for making marginal changes to the team's depth. Especially after coming off a 1-15 season.

 

[acmeanvil49]

By the way, the first team you posted , the Patriots, won super bowls by employing the "Parcells system".

That's where your wrong.....the 3-4 defense inst Parcell's system, he didnt invent it. Other teams used it first, get off Parcell's #%@&

Did you just become a fan?

Nope I have never been a fan of Parcells but I played football for 22 years so in regards to football the answer is no, I did not just become a fan.

 

[Pinkboy]

.....the 3-4 defense inst Parcell's system, he didnt invent it.

Please show me where I said he invented it. Because I never did.

"employing" and "inventing" are two entirely different things.

 

[acmeanvil49]

By the way, the first team you posted , the Patriots, won super bowls by employing the "Parcells system".

There you go again, on one hand your trying to tell me "i never claimed it was Parcells system" but in every post your give him credit for it CALLING IT PARCELL'S SYSTEM.

The NFL was using the 3-4 before Parcells ever employed it and riders like you claimed it as "Parcells System"

Having a DE playing outside LB isnt what makes it a 3-4, it's alignment and includes having true STUDS as your DT's or your LB's are hosed.