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Let me start off by saying this isn't a troll thread or one meant to start trouble, because it seems popular opinion is a big thing here, everybody said Gase was great, went 1-4, then nobody liked him, then made the playoffs and he's back to great again. I've been rooting for my dolphins because despite not liking Gase I want my team to win, I don't like him because he has so much in common with sparano and philbin, seems super conservative and plays not to lose like just like those regimes, even though they came in saying "we're going to be extremely aggressive", they couldn't have been more opposite from that.
Everybody loved Sparano his first year because we made the playoffs but blatantly ignored all the huge signs of ultra conservatism(nice way of saying it) that always kept us losers laughing at him doing back flips over field goals for 4 years and further dragged our fave team down the mud because we gave him AND philbin the same excuse, "well its just his first year, lack of talent", same ole same ole, long as we could ignore what was so obvious to begin with and always blaming the players instead of the obvious problem which was the coaches.
Let me reiterate what i said to start, this is NOT intended to start trouble because people seem to get infuriated with anybody having an opinion i feel like I have to say that twice.
I honestly think gase is a good guy but I just worry about the bad signs we saw this year.
1. Called philbin like games most of the year(where even fans always knew what was coming and few risks taken, until he realized ajayi could carry him only then did he get away from ultra safe playcalling and seemed to improve with his playcalling as the year went on although I still feel like we won a lot of games we shouldn't have due to his bad playcalling and the players bailed him out of a lot of those games.
2. I definitely think this team has a lot of talent, especially on offense, on defense I think Hull and Hewitt were severely underplayed and under appreciated this year, I think they are good players that never got a chance because they weren't the safest options to play, but rather than learning about our future and taking a few risks when our starters went down by playing them all game alongside alonso and possibly getting a lot more big plays and production out of them we decided to run out a bunch of terrible vets every game, another big problem and similarity with sparano and philbin.
3. It seemed like almost every game this year the refs were blatantly trying to take the game from us, and not once did he call the refs out, especially in the beginning with those seahawks and patriots hold fests, wake gets held like this all year every year http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...rception/00631438-3a14-4691-a41b-2031d383525e and nobody ever calls the refs on it. You can see wake give his coach speak on it in every PC but he's rolling his eyes like there's nothing I can do when they tackle me every play and not even my coach will stick up for me, which I think is why Mario quit, he knew he was lied to by Vance and was told that they would be aggressive when it was still almost all the time rush 4 and play scared, lineman dropping into coverage which was exactly why he left rex. Imo wake is one of the greatest pass rushers of all time, if not the best, if he didn't get held on every play he would have 20+ sacks a year. The NFL doesn't want a CFL player making them look bad.
They held suh a lot too but nobody I've ever seen has ever gotten close to the amount of abuse wake gets since he's been in the league and not once have I seen any of his coaches stick up for him, if i was his coach I'd be cussing the league out hard for that bs, if the coaches won't say anything nothing will ever change. If a player says something people will say he's just whining, if a coach says something it puts a spotlight on it, the league don't like being exposed so it might stop after that, just get tired of coaches not sticking up for their players while asking them to play hard for them and they won't even utter a word for them, no wonder the players quit on sparano and philbin, I would have too, eventually its better to say enough and rebel or you end up 8-8 every year settling for mediocrity and being P.C.
4. Two positive sings were him sticking up for Tannehill when everybody was hating on Tanny a lot of people including myself always knew he was good and Gase never wavered on him, even when there were a lot of people hating on him for tons of stuff that wasn't his fault, not many qbs come along with the combination of tanny's skills, smarts, balls, and loyalty(although the loyalty thing has hurt him more than helped imo), a rare set qualities in a qb or person for that matter. The second being his admittance of his mistakes, he has dignity and won't throw his team under the bus when he knows it was him that messed up, which 95% of coaches will do, although he routinely admits his mistakes he doesn't seem to ever change the causes of those mistakes,(overly safe play calling, thinking too much, trying to look smart). It seemed like most games he would admit to them and continually repeat them.
5. Outside of early on, I felt like the schedule was pretty weak although people underestimated how good the jets and bills d's can be when they were on, and we swept both teams, when they really wanted to beat us all of those games except the last jets one. I feel like unless gase stops trying to look smart instead of just being smart when its required and unless he gets way more aggressive and starts holding his coaches(VANCE
) and the league responsible he'll never be a great coach, I'm sure he's a pretty intelligent guy but most of the times intelligent guys are actually the most dumb because its the application of intelligence that is what determines how smart somebody is.
I think Gase can be a great coach but he doesn't seem to adjust very well or fix the mistakes he repeatedly admits to making.
I thought Dan Campbell was a very rare coach who we lucked into and made a huge mistake in not keeping, not that I don't think Gase might be great someday but campbell imo was a diamond in the rough. I don't think football is a genius sport, I believe its about intangibles and hard work, character traits are what make people good at this game, zach, cszoncha, landry, tannehill, those are type of guys you will always remember most fondly as a fan because they are just like us but they earned their spot through intangibles. Campbell obviously wasn't as intelligent as Gase in theory of the game, but he wasn't dumb either and I thought he had all the intangibles of a perfect head coach, campbell wasn't a rara guy, he was a leader of men, he called it like he saw it and people who called him a rara guy don't understand that he was talking off of feeling with those speeches and when he talked, because he was one of the guys and was also smart enough to know it wasn't about being friends, it was about a brotherhood that was earned. Some points on Cambpell.
1. Never seen a guy more into the moment and genuine that was also a leader, he couldn't have come more across as a soldier type who knew it was all about the fighters and not about the guys who stood on the sidelines trying to look smart, he wasn't about politics or management or being P.C., he was gonna tell it like it is and be real and that was that.
2. His one major flaw was much like Tannehills, way too much loyalty, he wouldn't fire people when they were gonna cost him his job, everybody knew when lazor was calling that patriot game, campbells 3rd game as hc, that if campbell didn't take the headset from him then and take over playcalling, that was the beginning of the end for campbell. I believe that campbell was handcuffed by the management who would rather give some OC the whole rest of the season to test himself rather than try and save our season, I don't think he was allowed to mess with lazor which he should have done anyway because we all knew it was evident in that game lazor was gonna cost campbell his job. Campbell even said after the season was over that he should have held his coaches more accountable(meaning lazor). I believe that's why he blew up on tannenbaum after his interview because he knew he was lied to and wasn't given a fair chance even after following orders.
I see a lot in gase that i saw in philbin and sparano and some called it on this board and were chastised for it only when the team started winning ironically, although I think he's much more open to change in the future when it was obvious sparano and philbin never would from the get, that would be the difference between them and the obvious iq difference, the players seem to like him somewhat too but these players are so trained in coachspeak and being P.C. its insane, never seen a team so trained to be robots because it seems the FO is all about looking P.C. or popular and not about winning games, at least it seems that way for the last 8 years.
One last thing, Gase was heralded as the next Don, there will never be another Don, there's only one Jordan, there's only one Ruth, and there's only one Don. And please don't ever compare BB to don, what a joke, BB wouldn't have won much if it wasn't for all the cheating throughout the years and the league doing everything they can to keep them in first place. BB is a smart, classless guy, who makes some good decisions during the game and game planning, which is a lot better than most coaches and with the league constantly helping him is the reason he is always on top, and Brady is nothing without BB, make no mistake, BB will always make whoever is playing for him good, because he usually makes the right decisions, and that is one of the most important parts of football, coaches making the right decisions, not being intelligent or fancy. Like i said before football is about intangibles from players, and decision making from coaches, that's what makes winning teams consistently.
That's why I feel like campbell was the perfect guy for the job, he would make sure his players were always playing with those intangibles and I felt like he was ready to make that leap to making the right decisions as a coach, like he knows he should have fired lazor when he had the chance.
I believe Gase can get there, I just don't think he will ever get near as much out of his players as cambpell would have gotten, Dolphin players usually play hard and with heart whoever the coach is, but they'll never be a dominant team physically under gase imo, maybe scheme wise and winning consistently eventually but as anybody who's lived life, its not about what you do but how you do it, as in not about just winning in the regular season but being extra ready to dominate in the posteason, and today the team just looked like they usually have for the past 9 years, happy to be there but not ready to dominate, they'll never have that killer instinct under Gase I believe they would have had under Campbell, that's what makes teams dominant and other teams fear you, not your record or how many shiny lights are on/around your team.
I apologize for the gigantic post but there are a lot of things I wanted to say that all related to each other, sorry if I offended anybody, that was never the point, i welcome constructive opinions as responses please, if you got this far without 3 + advils.
I am honestly just trying to figure out what's best for our future because like I said I thought Man Campbell was a diamond in the rough and I don't really like Gase because so much of his first year reminds me of Sparano and Philbin where popular opinion cost us 8 years instead of seeing the blatant signs. Although I'm not a huge fan of him, definitely like him a lot more than Sparano or Philbin, but I did cheer for him and the Dolphins to succeed all year, and despite all the injuries he did an alright job. Although we'll be very talented next year, I think the coaching is the major issue as it has been for the last 9 years, this team has never lacked talent outside of the 1-15 year, but I think gase might improve and that was more than was ever gonna happen with sparano or philbin, those guys would never have won with a team full of HOFers.
Everybody loved Sparano his first year because we made the playoffs but blatantly ignored all the huge signs of ultra conservatism(nice way of saying it) that always kept us losers laughing at him doing back flips over field goals for 4 years and further dragged our fave team down the mud because we gave him AND philbin the same excuse, "well its just his first year, lack of talent", same ole same ole, long as we could ignore what was so obvious to begin with and always blaming the players instead of the obvious problem which was the coaches.
Let me reiterate what i said to start, this is NOT intended to start trouble because people seem to get infuriated with anybody having an opinion i feel like I have to say that twice.
I honestly think gase is a good guy but I just worry about the bad signs we saw this year.
1. Called philbin like games most of the year(where even fans always knew what was coming and few risks taken, until he realized ajayi could carry him only then did he get away from ultra safe playcalling and seemed to improve with his playcalling as the year went on although I still feel like we won a lot of games we shouldn't have due to his bad playcalling and the players bailed him out of a lot of those games.
2. I definitely think this team has a lot of talent, especially on offense, on defense I think Hull and Hewitt were severely underplayed and under appreciated this year, I think they are good players that never got a chance because they weren't the safest options to play, but rather than learning about our future and taking a few risks when our starters went down by playing them all game alongside alonso and possibly getting a lot more big plays and production out of them we decided to run out a bunch of terrible vets every game, another big problem and similarity with sparano and philbin.
3. It seemed like almost every game this year the refs were blatantly trying to take the game from us, and not once did he call the refs out, especially in the beginning with those seahawks and patriots hold fests, wake gets held like this all year every year http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...rception/00631438-3a14-4691-a41b-2031d383525e and nobody ever calls the refs on it. You can see wake give his coach speak on it in every PC but he's rolling his eyes like there's nothing I can do when they tackle me every play and not even my coach will stick up for me, which I think is why Mario quit, he knew he was lied to by Vance and was told that they would be aggressive when it was still almost all the time rush 4 and play scared, lineman dropping into coverage which was exactly why he left rex. Imo wake is one of the greatest pass rushers of all time, if not the best, if he didn't get held on every play he would have 20+ sacks a year. The NFL doesn't want a CFL player making them look bad.
They held suh a lot too but nobody I've ever seen has ever gotten close to the amount of abuse wake gets since he's been in the league and not once have I seen any of his coaches stick up for him, if i was his coach I'd be cussing the league out hard for that bs, if the coaches won't say anything nothing will ever change. If a player says something people will say he's just whining, if a coach says something it puts a spotlight on it, the league don't like being exposed so it might stop after that, just get tired of coaches not sticking up for their players while asking them to play hard for them and they won't even utter a word for them, no wonder the players quit on sparano and philbin, I would have too, eventually its better to say enough and rebel or you end up 8-8 every year settling for mediocrity and being P.C.
4. Two positive sings were him sticking up for Tannehill when everybody was hating on Tanny a lot of people including myself always knew he was good and Gase never wavered on him, even when there were a lot of people hating on him for tons of stuff that wasn't his fault, not many qbs come along with the combination of tanny's skills, smarts, balls, and loyalty(although the loyalty thing has hurt him more than helped imo), a rare set qualities in a qb or person for that matter. The second being his admittance of his mistakes, he has dignity and won't throw his team under the bus when he knows it was him that messed up, which 95% of coaches will do, although he routinely admits his mistakes he doesn't seem to ever change the causes of those mistakes,(overly safe play calling, thinking too much, trying to look smart). It seemed like most games he would admit to them and continually repeat them.
5. Outside of early on, I felt like the schedule was pretty weak although people underestimated how good the jets and bills d's can be when they were on, and we swept both teams, when they really wanted to beat us all of those games except the last jets one. I feel like unless gase stops trying to look smart instead of just being smart when its required and unless he gets way more aggressive and starts holding his coaches(VANCE
) and the league responsible he'll never be a great coach, I'm sure he's a pretty intelligent guy but most of the times intelligent guys are actually the most dumb because its the application of intelligence that is what determines how smart somebody is.I think Gase can be a great coach but he doesn't seem to adjust very well or fix the mistakes he repeatedly admits to making.
I thought Dan Campbell was a very rare coach who we lucked into and made a huge mistake in not keeping, not that I don't think Gase might be great someday but campbell imo was a diamond in the rough. I don't think football is a genius sport, I believe its about intangibles and hard work, character traits are what make people good at this game, zach, cszoncha, landry, tannehill, those are type of guys you will always remember most fondly as a fan because they are just like us but they earned their spot through intangibles. Campbell obviously wasn't as intelligent as Gase in theory of the game, but he wasn't dumb either and I thought he had all the intangibles of a perfect head coach, campbell wasn't a rara guy, he was a leader of men, he called it like he saw it and people who called him a rara guy don't understand that he was talking off of feeling with those speeches and when he talked, because he was one of the guys and was also smart enough to know it wasn't about being friends, it was about a brotherhood that was earned. Some points on Cambpell.
1. Never seen a guy more into the moment and genuine that was also a leader, he couldn't have come more across as a soldier type who knew it was all about the fighters and not about the guys who stood on the sidelines trying to look smart, he wasn't about politics or management or being P.C., he was gonna tell it like it is and be real and that was that.
2. His one major flaw was much like Tannehills, way too much loyalty, he wouldn't fire people when they were gonna cost him his job, everybody knew when lazor was calling that patriot game, campbells 3rd game as hc, that if campbell didn't take the headset from him then and take over playcalling, that was the beginning of the end for campbell. I believe that campbell was handcuffed by the management who would rather give some OC the whole rest of the season to test himself rather than try and save our season, I don't think he was allowed to mess with lazor which he should have done anyway because we all knew it was evident in that game lazor was gonna cost campbell his job. Campbell even said after the season was over that he should have held his coaches more accountable(meaning lazor). I believe that's why he blew up on tannenbaum after his interview because he knew he was lied to and wasn't given a fair chance even after following orders.
I see a lot in gase that i saw in philbin and sparano and some called it on this board and were chastised for it only when the team started winning ironically, although I think he's much more open to change in the future when it was obvious sparano and philbin never would from the get, that would be the difference between them and the obvious iq difference, the players seem to like him somewhat too but these players are so trained in coachspeak and being P.C. its insane, never seen a team so trained to be robots because it seems the FO is all about looking P.C. or popular and not about winning games, at least it seems that way for the last 8 years.
One last thing, Gase was heralded as the next Don, there will never be another Don, there's only one Jordan, there's only one Ruth, and there's only one Don. And please don't ever compare BB to don, what a joke, BB wouldn't have won much if it wasn't for all the cheating throughout the years and the league doing everything they can to keep them in first place. BB is a smart, classless guy, who makes some good decisions during the game and game planning, which is a lot better than most coaches and with the league constantly helping him is the reason he is always on top, and Brady is nothing without BB, make no mistake, BB will always make whoever is playing for him good, because he usually makes the right decisions, and that is one of the most important parts of football, coaches making the right decisions, not being intelligent or fancy. Like i said before football is about intangibles from players, and decision making from coaches, that's what makes winning teams consistently.
That's why I feel like campbell was the perfect guy for the job, he would make sure his players were always playing with those intangibles and I felt like he was ready to make that leap to making the right decisions as a coach, like he knows he should have fired lazor when he had the chance.
I believe Gase can get there, I just don't think he will ever get near as much out of his players as cambpell would have gotten, Dolphin players usually play hard and with heart whoever the coach is, but they'll never be a dominant team physically under gase imo, maybe scheme wise and winning consistently eventually but as anybody who's lived life, its not about what you do but how you do it, as in not about just winning in the regular season but being extra ready to dominate in the posteason, and today the team just looked like they usually have for the past 9 years, happy to be there but not ready to dominate, they'll never have that killer instinct under Gase I believe they would have had under Campbell, that's what makes teams dominant and other teams fear you, not your record or how many shiny lights are on/around your team.
I apologize for the gigantic post but there are a lot of things I wanted to say that all related to each other, sorry if I offended anybody, that was never the point, i welcome constructive opinions as responses please, if you got this far without 3 + advils.
I am honestly just trying to figure out what's best for our future because like I said I thought Man Campbell was a diamond in the rough and I don't really like Gase because so much of his first year reminds me of Sparano and Philbin where popular opinion cost us 8 years instead of seeing the blatant signs. Although I'm not a huge fan of him, definitely like him a lot more than Sparano or Philbin, but I did cheer for him and the Dolphins to succeed all year, and despite all the injuries he did an alright job. Although we'll be very talented next year, I think the coaching is the major issue as it has been for the last 9 years, this team has never lacked talent outside of the 1-15 year, but I think gase might improve and that was more than was ever gonna happen with sparano or philbin, those guys would never have won with a team full of HOFers.
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