Patriots DL woes is Fins key to winning...

[phinfreak]

It's no secret. This wont all about Welker, Moss, and Brady.

This will have to be a carbon copy of the Colts game.

For Fins to have any chance of winning, we must run straight at the DL, keep time of possession on our side, no turnovers, and play a very opportunistic brand of Defense against Brady and co.

Opportunistic D means a combination of blitzes to dirty Brady up, with some cover 2 over the top. I do hate the man-under cover 2 shell we play often, especially against Welker...

I would prefer more zone in this game with blitzes out of nickle and dime.

We should be in nickle a lot more given NE 3 and 4 wide formations, this will be where we blitz from...but we must manhandle welker at the LOS...Moss needs 10 yards to get to speed, he isnt the underneath threat.

Fins have to score touchdowns running the ball with time consuming drives and no turnovers.

Defense has to play a bend dont break D with blitz sprinkled in on Brady's favorite passing downs and on every long yardage situation.

I think Brady is going to take his shots way downfield on long passes to Moss challenging our rooks.

This should be closer than normal.

 

[Tailgater]

If the fins cb's press Moss & Welker, they'll both be put in motion. Harder to get a good knock on them when they're mobile.

The Pats have been using Moss across the middle & on short routes more often, since teams are giving him plenty of space. Plenty of automatic first downs when that happens, then air it out when the coverage tightens.

They'll miss Green, but he wasn't a stud at run defense anyway. Not much of a dropoff with Wright. Their depth will be affected, but they have the guys to rotate in to keep them fresh. Pryor has been a nice find in the 6th rd.

I think this is the game that will convince the doubters that Brady is back.

 

[tcdrover]

Their whole defense is pretty young.

Most of their probowlers and superbowl players on defense are long gone.

It might be a shoot out. I think we should just pound them and do what Sporano & company like most to do. Hog the ball. :d-day:

 

[MarinePhinFan]

If the fins cb's press Moss & Welker, they'll both be put in motion. Harder to get a good knock on them when they're mobile.

The Pats have been using Moss across the middle & on short routes more often, since teams are giving him plenty of space. Plenty of automatic first downs when that happens, then air it out when the coverage tightens.

They'll miss Green, but he wasn't a stud at run defense anyway. Not much of a dropoff with Wright. Their depth will be affected, but they have the guys to rotate in to keep them fresh. Pryor has been a nice find in the 6th rd.

I think this is the game that will convince the doubters that Brady is back.

Why this game? If Brady has a great day against the Dolphins it will be because his O-Line blocked well and because of our poor pass defense. If we can get JT and Porter around the ends all day, Brady will fold like a lawn chair. It has been proven time and time again that Brady is no good when pressured. Now, if we can't get a pass rush on him, he'll do what he normally does, dump off his 5-6yd pass to Welker or Moss and rely on them to make their yards. Either that or he'll throw up the jump ball to Moss and let him go and get it.

This game won't really prove anything as far as if Brady is back or not. The Pats need to play a Colts or Saints before that happens, IMO. The weak schedule they have had up until this point has allowed Brady to play really well. Actually, it took two winless teams to do that.

 

[Tailgater]

Why this game? If Brady has a great day against the Dolphins it will be because his O-Line blocked well and because of our poor pass defense. If we can get JT and Porter around the ends all day, Brady will fold like a lawn chair. It has been proven time and time again that Brady is no good when pressured. Now, if we can't get a pass rush on him, he'll do what he normally does, dump off his 5-6yd pass to Welker or Moss and rely on them to make their yards. Either that or he'll throw up the jump ball to Moss and let him go and get it.

This game won't really prove anything as far as if Brady is back or not. The Pats need to play a Colts or Saints before that happens, IMO. The weak schedule they have had up until this point has allowed Brady to play really well. Actually, it took two winless teams to do that.

Go get the stats on 'Brady folding' please. Sure, there have been games where it happens, but they are the exceptions.

Show me a qb that performs at a high level when his OL doesn't block well and he has less than 3 seconds to find his target and get rid of the ball.

His career #'s are much higher against the blitz than when teams drop back in coverage.

What meant by being 'back', is he has his timing down with his receivers, moves in the pocket as he used to, and is getting his touch back on his deep balls. Thats why he's on pace to eclipse every season stat (excluding 2007) in TD's yards, %, etc.

 

[phinfreak]

If the fins cb's press Moss & Welker, they'll both be put in motion. Harder to get a good knock on them when they're mobile.

The Pats have been using Moss across the middle & on short routes more often, since teams are giving him plenty of space. Plenty of automatic first downs when that happens, then air it out when the coverage tightens.

They'll miss Green, but he wasn't a stud at run defense anyway. Not much of a dropoff with Wright. Their depth will be affected, but they have the guys to rotate in to keep them fresh. Pryor has been a nice find in the 6th rd.

I think this is the game that will convince the doubters that Brady is back.

Whaaaat? "this is the game that will convice doubters Brady is back"

WTF? So if Brady has a good day against 2 rookie CB and 1 rookie S that will convince the doubters? :crazy:

Dude...open your mind! Henne would have a good day against 2 rookie CB and 1 rookie S. Geeezzussss!

 

[ArmyFin7]

Lighting up one of the worst pass defenses in the league shouldn't convince anybody anything about Brady....except he did what everyone else has done this season.

 

[Myles Fynch]

Go get the stats on 'Brady folding' please. Sure, there have been games where it happens, but they are the exceptions.

Show me a qb that performs at a high level when his OL doesn't block well and he has less than 3 seconds to find his target and get rid of the ball.

I don't expect him to fold, but as you implied he's not the same guy when you knock him down a few times. If our pass rush doesn't improve vs the way we've played so far, we're in trouble. But a respectable pass rush from us and a strong running game will send us home with the W, and tighten the AFCE race for sure.

 

[DolfanISS]

Well I hope we can stop it but if we can't lets not cry if the pats keep scoring. That is what they do and if we can't stop it that's what we deserve.

Our offensive line has looked like shear crap for 6 quarters. That group makes a lot of green. They better step up on Sunday as I feel that is where we need to win the game. They should have success vs the NE front, unless they're not as good as we think. NE will pass on just about every down, even if it's not working it seems like they will stick with it through thick and thin (See Giants SB and Jets game this year). Any success they have running the ball is not because they are knocking teams off the ball but because everyone plays pass vs them. It's truly a finesse passing team vs a hard nose tough running team.

 

[MD]

NE is a shell of what it once was. They are not even the 2nd best team in the AFC. This will be a tough game but our 3 toughest are done. Saints, Colts at Jets.

 

[phinphan4life]

If the fins cb's press Moss & Welker, they'll both be put in motion. Harder to get a good knock on them when they're mobile.

The Pats have been using Moss across the middle & on short routes more often, since teams are giving him plenty of space. Plenty of automatic first downs when that happens, then air it out when the coverage tightens.

They'll miss Green, but he wasn't a stud at run defense anyway. Not much of a dropoff with Wright. Their depth will be affected, but they have the guys to rotate in to keep them fresh. Pryor has been a nice find in the 6th rd.

I think this is the game that will convince the doubters that Brady is back.

What doubters? They beat Tennessee 59 to goose egg in the snow... via the pass... when you're supposed to only be able to run. I know Tennessee sucks this year, but I don't see anyone beating anyone else regardless of the conditions by that type of margin. If anyone needs convincing, maybe it's Brady himself. It certainly isn't us.

 

[Tailgater]

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What doubters? They beat Tennessee 59 to goose egg in the snow... via the pass... when you're supposed to only be able to run. I know Tennessee sucks this year, but I don't see anyone beating anyone else regardless of the conditions by that type of margin. If anyone needs convincing, maybe it's Brady himself. It certainly isn't us.

Me neither, but many tend to dimiss any results from the last two games. I almost understand it with the Titans. I've never seen a team up & quit like that before.

 

[phinphan4life]

Me neither, but many tend to dimiss any results from the last two games. I almost understand it with the Titans. I've never seen a team up & quit like that before.

I think that people lend way too much credence to the importance (actually lack thereof) of wins against bad teams. No win is ever a given. A blow out win even less so. I give teams credit for winning games, regardless of the opponent. I don't like the Patriots at all, but I do have a great deal of respect for their ability to put a quality team on the field every week for the last 8 years. This is a rivalry game for us and I don't expect anything less than a slugfest. Whether it's 41-38 or 6-3, I fully expect it to be a tough, hard fought, close game by both teams.

 

[Patriots-Lifer]

NE is a shell of what it once was. They are not even the 2nd best team in the AFC. This will be a tough game but our 3 toughest are done. Saints, Colts at Jets.

Ted you couldn't really believe that now can you? Who do you rank ahead of them right now?
Please don't say the Colts who have had one of if not the softest schedule in the NFL to this point. Denver is solid for the most part but they needed overtime and Brady to still be struggling with his timing to win.
The game against the jets was more about Brady not having his head back yet than anything the jets did.

 

[catapano]

are they having problems on the d-line?