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Penny has Hart... A case study.

Fish-Head

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Got a few minutes? This is a lighthearted response to the troubling number of posts which would attempt to play down the throw Penny made to Hartline since it was 'on the run'…

First and foremost let us dispense with the misnomer that getting a ball downfield is actually all about arm strength. It certainly plays a part but POWER comes from the legs through the hips and into the arm.

Momentum is not self-generating… It requires force. Most often the ‘momentum’ argument is backed up by the example of a javelin thrower who is making his throw on the run.

Even though this is not a fair comparison since they are completely different types of throws made under completely different circumstances and throwing drastically different objects… Let’s entertain it for a millisecond.

First of all the javelin throw does not require pinpoint accuracy as its primary target is… THE GROUND. Distance is the goal.

Whereas a QB needs to hit a moving target whilst avoiding other moving targets lest they steal the object and laughingly score points in the other direction causing his girlfriend to pack her bags and leave in shame and embarrassment. ACCURACY is the goal.

When a man steps up to hurl a javelin, as he jogs down the track he is thinking… "Arm back, shoulders turn… Quick hips and… Release". Then he can plan his night out and dream of the sheer number of hotties he will attract at the bar in those tight shorts with that medal around his neck…

When an NFL QB steps up to make a throw on the run he is thinking…"‘Tell my kids I love them"… If he takes even a moment for "Arm back… Shoulders… They WILL BE THE LAST THOUGHTS HE EVER HAS as Lawrence Taylor catches up to him and turns one of his legs into a slinky sending him straight to the broadcast booth… Trips through airport security will never be the same with all that metal inside his leg.

The Javelin throw is about making the perfect toss in perfect conditions. Yet the LAST thing on any QB’s mind is technique. Unless he wants to wake up to the sound of a heart monitor surrounded by family.

This includes designed roll outs since we as humans have evolved as Predators not Prey… This means that our eyes are on the front of our heads and not the sides… We have an enormous amount of blind spot since we are not particularly concerned with things that will eat us. Like LB’s.

When the legs are otherwise occupied in the primary function of survival they cannot be effectively utilized in the creation of power. This is to say that any gains in momentum on the run are almost always offset by a significant loss in power.

In closing… Let’s give Pennington some props as sometimes it is hard to notice the complexity of an achievement when it is made to look easy. After all… We as Dolphins fans have been spoiled by Dan the Man who made some of the most difficult throws look routine.

Thanks for your time.
 
ok....so throwing a football is different from thowing a javelin....got it. Thanks.

BTW....it's heart.
 
Maybe if given enough time, QBs will evolve eyes closer to the sides of their heads since they're usually prey. That would definitely be a selective advantage.

Commish: "With the first pick in the 2991 draft, the New York Jets select Seymour Backers!"

Mel Kiper Jr. XXV: "His eye position is really gonna help him evade the rush. This guy is gonna be a gamer."


Crap...then they'll have to redesign the helmets.
 
I actually got a chuckle out of that....But it's not a terribly good comparison. Getting a running start will help generate momentum in the throwing of any object...Javelin or football.
 
Maybe if given enough time, QBs will evolve eyes closer to the sides of their heads since they're usually prey. That would definitely be a selective advantage.

Commish: "With the first pick in the 2991 draft, the New York Jets select Seymour Backers!"

Mel Kiper Jr. XXV: "His eye position is really gonna help him evade the rush. This guy is gonna be a gamer."


Crap...then they'll have to redesign the helmets.

Gives the term "looking out the earholes" a whole new connetation.
 
Got a few minutes? This is a lighthearted response to the troubling number of posts which would attempt to play down the throw Penny made to Hartline since it was 'on the run'…

First and foremost let us dispense with the misnomer that getting a ball downfield is actually all about arm strength. It certainly plays a part but POWER comes from the legs through the hips and into the arm.

Momentum is not self-generating… It requires force. Most often the ‘momentum’ argument is backed up by the example of a javelin thrower who is making his throw on the run.

Even though this is not a fair comparison since they are completely different types of throws made under completely different circumstances and throwing drastically different objects… Let’s entertain it for a millisecond.

First of all the javelin throw does not require pinpoint accuracy as its primary target is… THE GROUND. Distance is the goal.

Whereas a QB needs to hit a moving target whilst avoiding other moving targets lest they steal the object and laughingly score points in the other direction causing his girlfriend to pack her bags and leave in shame and embarrassment. ACCURACY is the goal.

When a man steps up to hurl a javelin, as he jogs down the track he is thinking… "Arm back, shoulders turn… Quick hips and… Release". Then he can plan his night out and dream of the sheer number of hotties he will attract at the bar in those tight shorts with that medal around his neck…

When an NFL QB steps up to make a throw on the run he is thinking…"‘Tell my kids I love them"… If he takes even a moment for "Arm back… Shoulders… They WILL BE THE LAST THOUGHTS HE EVER HAS as Lawrence Taylor catches up to him and turns one of his legs into a slinky sending him straight to the broadcast booth… Trips through airport security will never be the same with all that metal inside his leg.

The Javelin throw is about making the perfect toss in perfect conditions. Yet the LAST thing on any QB’s mind is technique. Unless he wants to wake up to the sound of a heart monitor surrounded by family.

This includes designed roll outs since we as humans have evolved as Predators not Prey… This means that our eyes are on the front of our heads and not the sides… We have an enormous amount of blind spot since we are not particularly concerned with things that will eat us. Like LB’s.

When the legs are otherwise occupied in the primary function of survival they cannot be effectively utilized in the creation of power. This is to say that any gains in momentum on the run are almost always offset by a significant loss in power.

In closing… Let’s give Pennington some props as sometimes it is hard to notice the complexity of an achievement when it is made to look easy. After all… We as Dolphins fans have been spoiled by Dan the Man who made some of the most difficult throws look routine.

Thanks for your time.

Enjoyable reading. Nice twist, FH. Judging generally from your unwavering stalwart defenses of Penny, I'd think you'd probably be a great friend to have.
 
I actually got a chuckle out of that....But it's not a terribly good comparison. Getting a running start will help generate momentum in the throwing of any object...Javelin or football.

Absolutely... :thumbup:

While I agree momentum does 'add' to the probability of greater distance... The greatest amount of power is generated from a set position driving from the legs with the largest amount of follow through possible. The legs need to be involved in the throwing motion.

It is also the most accurate... BUT

It is also all a bit ridiculous which, as you noticed, actually was the point... :lol:
 
I don't think I have ever seen one play analyzed to this exent, especially one that occured during a meaningless preseason game. Fish-Head, I know you're trying to defend your opinion on this one, and I give you props for that, but we really need to let this thing go at some point. Those who think it was a great play are going to continue to think so, those who don't are going to contintue to think so, those who want to antagonize you about this play are going to continue. Nice read though.
 
I don't think I have ever seen one play analyzed to this exent, especially one that occured during a meaningless preseason game. Fish-Head, I know you're trying to defend your opinion on this one, and I give you props for that, but we really need to let this thing go at some point. Those who think it was a great play are going to continue to think so, those who don't are going to contintue to think so, those who want to antagonize you about this play are going to continue. Nice read though.

Absolutely agree amigo!!!

Actually I was trying to make light of the asburdity of it all!!!

I wasn't really trying to prove a point other than... 'Nice Throw'... :lol:
 
Enjoyable reading. Nice twist, FH. Judging generally from your unwavering stalwart defenses of Penny, I'd think you'd probably be a great friend to have.

Thank you sir!

I have always been a big fan of the underdog... The guy who does it 'In spite' of limitations or setbacks or adversity... :up:

Probably why I got involved in movies!!! :lol:

But I think you will see the same steadfast and stalwart defense of Henne when he gets his chance... I think the kid is gonna be a good one.

I realized while responding in a few posts that I might be taking all this stuff a little too seriously so I decided it was time to step back and lampoon it a little.. :lol:
 
Personally, the best I've seen Penny throw is either in the humidity/no wind of MIA and the thin air of DEN. While we will agree little on Penny. I do appreciate those who take the time to come here and discuss things.
 
For me, personally it's been so long since I've seen a pass completed that long in stride that I simply can't tell anymore(I take that back, remember the touchdown catch in the back of the end zone by Ginn against two Seattle defenders, he snatched it perfectly like he was catching a lawn dart).
 
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